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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 9, 2017 16:34:00 GMT -5
I'm not feeling the "let's hate on The Stone Roses" conversation. Wouldn't call it hate. The Stone Roses made a fantastic debut, had stellar singles and b-sides, and were ridiculously influentual on 90's British rock. But after One Love, what did they really have to show? It's revisionist to call the Roses one of greatest groups of all time because it conveniently overlooks their failure: Second Coming. Sure, you can make the same argument that people are revisionist with Oasis, but at least they delivered two, and not just one classic album. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 9, 2017 16:35:04 GMT -5
. The idea of hearing Fort Knox in its entirety is bringing tiny amounts of come to the tip of my penis. Remind me to not be in the same room as you when you actually do hear it. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 9, 2017 16:37:12 GMT -5
I'm not feeling the "let's hate on The Stone Roses" conversation. Wouldn't call it hate. The Stone Roses made a fantastic debut, had stellar singles and b-sides, and were ridiculously influentual on 90's British rock. But after One Love, what did they really have to show? It's revisionist to call the Roses one of greatest groups of all time because it conveniently overlooks their failure: Second Coming. Sure, you can make the same argument that people are revisionist with Oasis, but at least they delivered two, and not just one classic album. Yeah, I hear ya. The Stone Roses is probably in my top 20 favourite albums but I am entirely uninterested in anything else they did together or apart, apart from some of Squire's solo efforts (esp. Love is the Law). Awesome album but definitely impossible to rank them as one of the greatest groups of all time. However, could we say the same thing about The Sex Pistols? To be perfectly honest, that one album does not even crack my Top 50. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 9, 2017 16:39:59 GMT -5
Agreed. Fucking hate the amounts of people who say Stone Roses were better than Oasis. This idea that Oasis just took over what they were going to achieve is laughable after one listen of Second Coming. Another Mancunian band's name would have been more apt the time All For One came out - 'The Charlatans'. That proved once and for all that Second Coming wasn't merely a 'misstep' but a complete exposure of a lack of natural talent. Don't get me wrong, The Stone Roses is a very good album, but with three duff tracks and a self-indulgent freak out on supposedly the 'greatest finale to an album ever', well that fails the 'great' album status it is usually given. I agree Noel is a more talented songwriter but that Stone Roses album is great and IATR is well up there with the greatest album finales. |
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Post by matt on Oct 9, 2017 16:41:40 GMT -5
Another Mancunian band's name would have been more apt the time All For One came out - 'The Charlatans'. That proved once and for all that Second Coming wasn't merely a 'misstep' but a complete exposure of a lack of natural talent. Don't get me wrong, The Stone Roses is a very good album, but with three duff tracks and a self-indulgent freak out on supposedly the 'greatest finale to an album ever', well that fails the 'great' album status it is usually given. I agree Noel is a more talented songwriter but that Stone Roses album is great and IATR is well up there with the greatest album finales. Up until that jam at the end, it's great. The chorus is exceptional. But I can't stand all that fret wankery after that to be honest - kind of set in motion what was to follow. |
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Post by mkoasis on Oct 9, 2017 16:43:50 GMT -5
So 60 pages into this discussion and I'm still not sure how I feel about the song.
I don't love it, but I don't dislike it either. It's got its merits and then it also doesn't do much for me either.
I definitely hear early New Order in Noel's vocals especially at the start.
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Post by matt on Oct 9, 2017 16:45:32 GMT -5
My brother - who thinks Noel's music is 'beige' just texted me what he thought of it - he absolutely loves it! He's an Oasis fan but of the 90s material, but aside from that, doesn't listen to any post-Oasis music. Whatever anyone thinks of it, it grabs the attention one way or the other!
Best Oasis related release since Falling Down for him personally.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 9, 2017 16:48:18 GMT -5
Wouldn't call it hate. The Stone Roses made a fantastic debut, had stellar singles and b-sides, and were ridiculously influentual on 90's British rock. But after One Love, what did they really have to show? It's revisionist to call the Roses one of greatest groups of all time because it conveniently overlooks their failure: Second Coming. Sure, you can make the same argument that people are revisionist with Oasis, but at least they delivered two, and not just one classic album. Yeah, I hear ya. The Stone Roses is probably in my top 20 favourite albums but I am entirely uninterested in anything else they did together or apart, apart from some of Squire's solo efforts (esp. Love is the Law). Awesome album but definitely impossible to rank them as one of the greatest groups of all time. However, could we say the same thing about The Sex Pistols? To be perfectly honest, that one album does not even crack my Top 50. You can say the same thing about the Sex Pistols but not John Lydon. It still blows my mind that he released Metal Box only two years later. |
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 9, 2017 16:50:15 GMT -5
It sounds like a weirder version of Mucky Fingers, and I like Mucky Fingers.
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Post by CFC2013 on Oct 9, 2017 16:50:30 GMT -5
Doesn't Noel usually do well on the UK iTunes chart when he releases new music? I can't remember how the CY singles did.
No sign of it on the iTunes US chart unfortunately.
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Post by shauncaig on Oct 9, 2017 16:51:05 GMT -5
It’s definitely growing on me. Heard it in the car this morning, colleague asked “who sang it - Tom from Kasabian?” and was amazed it was Noel.
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 9, 2017 16:52:13 GMT -5
Yeah, I hear ya. The Stone Roses is probably in my top 20 favourite albums but I am entirely uninterested in anything else they did together or apart, apart from some of Squire's solo efforts (esp. Love is the Law). Awesome album but definitely impossible to rank them as one of the greatest groups of all time. However, could we say the same thing about The Sex Pistols? To be perfectly honest, that one album does not even crack my Top 50. You can say the same thing about the Sex Pistols but not John Lydon. It still blows my mind that he released Metal Box only two years later. Oh yeah? I haven't actually heard it, to be honest. |
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Post by durk on Oct 9, 2017 16:52:19 GMT -5
I really don't get why people think Holy Mountain is a radical departure for Noel. Just like As You Were, it's the same style that he's been writing in for the last 20+ years. Except better. He's been writing this type of music for 20 years - Let Forever Be, Setting Sun, Falling Down (just to name a few). Falling Down is a great song. Do not compare this drivel to that! |
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Post by mossy on Oct 9, 2017 16:54:32 GMT -5
Can't wait for Noel to release another song so I can get this out of my head...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 16:54:42 GMT -5
He's been writing this type of music for 20 years - Let Forever Be, Setting Sun, Falling Down (just to name a few). Falling Down is a great song. Do not compare this drivel to that! I didn't compare these songs, I only said that they both have the same... I don't know... background? |
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Post by durk on Oct 9, 2017 16:56:39 GMT -5
Doesn't Noel usually do well on the UK iTunes chart when he releases new music? I can't remember how the CY singles did. No sign of it on the iTunes US chart unfortunately. This single may well be popular in UK - but i don't think it'll do shit in the US charts. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 9, 2017 16:57:34 GMT -5
You can say the same thing about the Sex Pistols but not John Lydon. It still blows my mind that he released Metal Box only two years later. Oh yeah? I haven't actually heard it, to be honest. Yeah, be sure to check out some of Public Image Ltd's albums. Metal Box is their masterpiece, and The Flowers of Romance is another great album. Be warned though, they're very difficult, abrasive, and experimental records. They sound absolutely nothing like the Sex Pistols. |
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Post by batfink30 on Oct 9, 2017 16:59:33 GMT -5
Doesn't Noel usually do well on the UK iTunes chart when he releases new music? I can't remember how the CY singles did. No sign of it on the iTunes US chart unfortunately. This single may well be popular in UK - but i don't think it'll do shit in the US charts. That's interesting. I do wonder if a lot of non UK people don't really "get it". It does seem a very British type of tune. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 9, 2017 17:02:27 GMT -5
I agree Noel is a more talented songwriter but that Stone Roses album is great and IATR is well up there with the greatest album finales. Up until that jam at the end, it's great. The chorus is exceptional. But I can't stand all that fret wankery after that to be honest - kind of set in motion what was to follow. The last 3 minutes of that song is one of my favourite bits of music ever recorded and the one thing it isn't is fret wankery. There are melodic solo's, effects and tone changes, never a million notes a second and always staying with the rhythm section without steping all over it. Its brilliantly conceived and executed. There are many examples of mindless fret wanking, that isn't one of them. |
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Post by CFC2013 on Oct 9, 2017 17:03:33 GMT -5
This single may well be popular in UK - but i don't think it'll do shit in the US charts. That's interesting. I do wonder if a lot of non UK people don't really "get it". It does seem a very British type of tune. Americans never understood Oasis or Liam/Noel for that matter. Besides the American music scene is very different. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Oct 9, 2017 17:05:42 GMT -5
If this were 1997, I'd say Holy Mountain had a real chance at being a huge chart hit in America. But, alas, this song is just 20 years too late.
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Post by matt on Oct 9, 2017 17:08:00 GMT -5
Up until that jam at the end, it's great. The chorus is exceptional. But I can't stand all that fret wankery after that to be honest - kind of set in motion what was to follow. The last 3 minutes of that song is one of my favourite bits of music ever recorded and the one thing it isn't is fret wankery. There are melodic solo's, effects and tone changes, never a million notes a second and always staying with the rhythm section without steping all over it. Its brilliantly conceived and executed. There are many examples of mindless fret wanking, that isn't one of them. It's just not for me unfortunately, doesn't grab my attention in any way at all. |
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Post by 2besomeone on Oct 9, 2017 17:10:14 GMT -5
The song is fucking awesome. It gets better after each listen. As I said earlier, and lots of others have said, it's not a radical change at all, lots more shit going on than in a normal Noel record, but that to me is good.
I love oasis as much as anyone on here, but it's ridiculous to expect an ex oasis member has to make oasis music or they lose their fan base. There is a shitload of oasis music and noel's first album is pretty oasisy, as are both beady eye albums. A solo career is ment to be a liberating thing were you are allowed to try new shit and not keep on recording the same thing you did with your band.
I am really surprised at how much shit the song is getting. Plus it surprises me that people were expecting another importance of being idle by Noel as this stage. That song has been done and it's great and I'll put it on whenever I want and turn up the sound! A lot of us wanted Noel to try something new. It's always a risk, but judging from this and the album teaser, it's worked. Bring on the album!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2017 17:11:39 GMT -5
The description "mindless fret wanking". Biblical.
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Post by matt on Oct 9, 2017 17:12:58 GMT -5
bastardnumber1 (to Liam what Jed is to Alan Partridge) hates it, according to twitter.
Love it even more now if that sad lonely fucker disapproves of it.
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