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Post by Definitely Could Be Oasis on Sept 25, 2017 11:55:12 GMT -5
Probably too early to say for sure but just based on the first interviews from today I wonder how much of the music was actually created by Noel and how much was by David Holmes (with talk of drum loops and cut/paste soundscapes)
Always a bit of an odd thing about how much of the credit goes to the writer and how much should go to the producer.
Would Noel have still been able to do this type of thing just by working on his own?
Don't know much about David's Holmes really, does he usually contribute a lot of the music to albums he produces?
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Post by oasisserbia on Sept 25, 2017 12:00:24 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 12:02:22 GMT -5
Who Built 'Who Built The Moon'?
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Post by mystoryisgory on Sept 25, 2017 12:03:09 GMT -5
You underestimate how much Noel would want to be involved in the creative process. Holmes is a very skilled musician and would've created very good backing tracks by himself, but I will bet you that the majority of the interesting ideas on the songs are Noel's.
At this point, it's probably safe to say that Who Built the Moon was a collaborative effort on the part of Noel and Holmes, and it wouldn't surprise me if Holmes gets writing credits on some songs or even the whole album.
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Post by spaneli on Sept 25, 2017 12:05:13 GMT -5
The line in songwriting gets super thin here.
I made a song that was super cut and paste, and sample based. And I ended up asking my producer if he wanted a writing credit because he was essentially forming new melodies.
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Post by Manualex on Sept 25, 2017 12:07:29 GMT -5
Billy Corgan
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Post by freddy838 on Sept 25, 2017 12:25:44 GMT -5
You underestimate how much Noel would want to be involved in the creative process. Holmes is a very skilled musician and would've created very good backing tracks by himself, but I will bet you that the majority of the interesting ideas on the songs are Noel's. At this point, it's probably safe to say that Who Built the Moon was a collaborative effort on the part of Noel and Holmes, and it wouldn't surprise me if Holmes gets writing credits on some songs or even the whole album. Either that or Holmes charged a pretty hefty one off fee for his production services and Noel would keep the songwriting credits. |
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Post by neila83 on Sept 25, 2017 17:48:57 GMT -5
You underestimate how much Noel would want to be involved in the creative process. Holmes is a very skilled musician and would've created very good backing tracks by himself, but I will bet you that the majority of the interesting ideas on the songs are Noel's. At this point, it's probably safe to say that Who Built the Moon was a collaborative effort on the part of Noel and Holmes, and it wouldn't surprise me if Holmes gets writing credits on some songs or even the whole album. Either that or Holmes charged a pretty hefty one off fee for his production services and Noel would keep the songwriting credits. It'll be very interesting to see the credits. Obviously they will have made a watertight agreement on this before they started to avoid any AA style wrangles. I think the reality is that a lot of it is effectively co-written, but whether that is reflected in the credits we will see. I guess that's part of the game if you're a producer, must happen all the time. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 25, 2017 18:47:55 GMT -5
You underestimate how much Noel would want to be involved in the creative process. Holmes is a very skilled musician and would've created very good backing tracks by himself, but I will bet you that the majority of the interesting ideas on the songs are Noel's. At this point, it's probably safe to say that Who Built the Moon was a collaborative effort on the part of Noel and Holmes, and it wouldn't surprise me if Holmes gets writing credits on some songs or even the whole album. Holmes doesn't actually play any instruments. He can't physically create the sounds himself. He can however produce a record, program, mix and use samples. There is a great chapter in the new book "Meet Me In The Bathroom" of the friendship and fall out of Holmes and James Murphy. Essentially Murphy realized that he didn't have to tell people to make certain sounds, he could just do it all himself and be the producer as well. Holmes is from the other ethos. There was a great divide in their working relationship as well as a ton of drugs and booze. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 25, 2017 18:54:47 GMT -5
Even if some of it is collaborative, who cares? If Holmes encouraged and pushed Noel to be different I still very much doubt there wasn't a point where Noel would fight to maintain what he believes makes him... well him. You don't want either side to lay down, that tug of war could produce some brilliant material.
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Post by rupertg on Sept 25, 2017 23:58:09 GMT -5
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Post by 2besomeone on Oct 4, 2017 19:11:01 GMT -5
You underestimate how much Noel would want to be involved in the creative process. Holmes is a very skilled musician and would've created very good backing tracks by himself, but I will bet you that the majority of the interesting ideas on the songs are Noel's. At this point, it's probably safe to say that Who Built the Moon was a collaborative effort on the part of Noel and Holmes, and it wouldn't surprise me if Holmes gets writing credits on some songs or even the whole album. Holmes doesn't actually play any instruments. He can't physically create the sounds himself. He can however produce a record, program, mix and use samples. There is a great chapter in the new book "Meet Me In The Bathroom" of the friendship and fall out of Holmes and James Murphy. Essentially Murphy realized that he didn't have to tell people to make certain sounds, he could just do it all himself and be the producer as well. Holmes is from the other ethos. There was a great divide in their working relationship as well as a ton of drugs and booze. Such a fun book. I got it mainly because of the strokes and the band's from that lot. However I found the most fun and interesting stuff was on DFA and LCD soundsystem, which was a band I had never paid attention too. Started listening and they are really extraodinary. All the stuff on Holmes and Tim Goldsworthy going to NY and working with Murphy is great. On Holmes, though he does not play instruments, everyone pretty much agrees he is a bit of a sonic genius. Though I'd say Murphy is on another scale, given how key he was in bridging the whole guitar and dance world. Holmes was a pretty importance figure in getting that thing going. He seems to have a way with picking the right sounds and very theatrically orientated. I'm guessing he will have a pretty big imprint on Noel's album, as far as sound and sampling goes. Dont think he will get writing credits though. I actually can't wait for this album. When two great music creators like Noel and Holmes come together, it show really be good. I hope it has a heavy hand from Holmes in it actually. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2017 21:33:28 GMT -5
Noel moves house almost every year and parties with Bono on billionaire's yachts. There's no way he's sharing songwriting credit, he needs all the royalties he can get.
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