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Post by GlastoEls on Sept 17, 2017 15:19:17 GMT -5
Nah, 94-96 was way better! I was too out-of-it to remember   |
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Post by matt on Sept 17, 2017 15:39:50 GMT -5
Lets face it... Noel doesn't like BHN because Liam sounds fucking incredible on it.You really fucking believe that? Oasis were at the peak of their powers and Noel always knew what a great voice Liam had - these were his songs, his babies, why in god's name would he not want the best performance possible (which Liam obviously provided)? Why must everything be defined in binary terms on this site? Do some Oasis fans really live in such a simple, stupefied world? The reality is Noel doesn't like the album because it burst the seemingly impenetrable bubble of the band, where critical appraisals of the music on the album and public perceptions of the band took a sharp decline. The only question I'd like to ask Noel about this is not anything to do with Liam (because that is complete bogus and irrelevant) but why he dismisses the album so much when it is quite clearly better than all the subsequent Oasis albums, some of which were downright terrible. It has nothing to do with Liam. Obviously. |
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Post by KhanMightSay on Sept 18, 2017 9:50:15 GMT -5
I love BHN so I don't give a shit what Noel thinks. Although I do think that if it was a 45 minute album as opposed to an almost 75 minute album Oasis would not have experienced the backlash that came and they might have cracked America if they'd taken a little break before it's release. I don't know if I could blame them though given that 2 years was the normal time bands took between records.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 9:53:24 GMT -5
Noel doesn't hate Be Here Now as much as people tend to say he does around here.
He simply can't remember most of that time because of the massive amounts of smack in his system.
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Post by SheSaidHerNameWasDot on Sept 18, 2017 9:59:31 GMT -5
People don't believe half the bullshit Noel spouts. Yet when he dismisses BHN everybody just believes it as Gospel. If Liam said he hated it, Noel would say he loved it himself. Therein lies the real truth.
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Post by My Big Name on Sept 18, 2017 10:09:50 GMT -5
I think as the people's opinion of it changed so did Noel's. There's a press conference filmed not too long after the albums release and Noel speaks very highly of BHN but about a year later he's slagging it off.
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Post by Flatulating Hallelujah on Sept 18, 2017 15:09:05 GMT -5
Nah, 94-96 was way better! I was too out-of-it to remember   |
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Post by World71R on Sept 18, 2017 21:45:48 GMT -5
This thread reminded me of My Sister Lover. Even with the odd lyrics, I love the overall tune, especially for the transition from the verse to the pre-chorus to the chorus and the guitar solo as well. That could've easily been on Be Here Now.
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Post by rupertg on Sept 19, 2017 20:06:49 GMT -5
The part of My Sister Lover that always botherd is at the 2:41 part where Liam doesn't stretch "Meeeeeeeee" long enough.
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Post by Aman on Oct 1, 2017 16:50:19 GMT -5
This thread reminded me of My Sister Lover. Even with the odd lyrics, I love the overall tune, especially for the transition from the verse to the pre-chorus to the chorus and the guitar solo as well. That could've easily been on Be Here Now. Always loved My Sister Lover! The verses are great but the chorus is a bit ropey though. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 12, 2017 15:08:07 GMT -5
I couldn't give a toss what Noel thinks about BHN. For me it's his defining, crowning moment. This IS the masterpiece album that everyone was hoping for in 1997, and pisses all over everything he wrote before - and since!
It is one of the most unique, ballsy, epic, brave, swaggeringly overconfident, arrogant albums ever made - Oasis at their absolutely peak, top of their game. No other record sounded quite like this before, and no album has sounded like it ever since.
For all Noel's BS about trying to distancing himself from the record and disowning it, I think secretly deep down he loves it, but was too disturbed by the negative critical reaction later on. Also coming down with the biggest hangover to end all hangovers didn't help either, after a wild party which lasted several years.
I believe there is a part of NG that still wants to `BHN' his tunes - throw the kitchen sink at them - loud, multi-layered, swaggeringly long, and positively upbeat.
Judging by his latest single, he is slowly returning back to those glorious summer days of 1997, and he now feels brave enough to do that with the help of a producer who is encouraging it.
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Post by SheSaidHerNameWasDot on Oct 12, 2017 15:11:43 GMT -5
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Oct 12, 2017 15:25:01 GMT -5
I couldn't give a toss what Noel thinks about BHN. For me it's his defining, crowning moment. This IS the masterpiece album that everyone was hoping for in 1997, and pisses all over everything he wrote before - and since! It is one of the most unique, ballsy, epic, brave, swaggeringly overconfident, arrogant albums ever made - Oasis at their absolutely peak, top of their game. No other record sounded quite like this before, and no album has sounded like it ever since. For all Noel's BS about trying to distancing himself from the record and disowning it, I think secretly deep down he loves it, but was too disturbed by the negative critical reaction later on. Also coming down with the biggest hangover to end all hangovers didn't help either, after a wild party which lasted several years. I believe there is a part of NG that still wants to `BHN' his tunes - throw the kitchen sink at them - loud, multi-layered, swaggeringly long, and positively upbeat. Judging by his latest single, he is slowly returning back to those glorious summer days of 1997, and he now feels brave enough to do that with the help of a producer who is encouraging it. I loathe your dislike for DBTT. I love your defense of BHN. Viva la difference. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 12, 2017 15:28:41 GMT -5
I couldn't give a toss what Noel thinks about BHN. For me it's his defining, crowning moment. This IS the masterpiece album that everyone was hoping for in 1997, and pisses all over everything he wrote before - and since! It is one of the most unique, ballsy, epic, brave, swaggeringly overconfident, arrogant albums ever made - Oasis at their absolutely peak, top of their game. No other record sounded quite like this before, and no album has sounded like it ever since. For all Noel's BS about trying to distancing himself from the record and disowning it, I think secretly deep down he loves it, but was too disturbed by the negative critical reaction later on. Also coming down with the biggest hangover to end all hangovers didn't help either, after a wild party which lasted several years. I believe there is a part of NG that still wants to `BHN' his tunes - throw the kitchen sink at them - loud, multi-layered, swaggeringly long, and positively upbeat. Judging by his latest single, he is slowly returning back to those glorious summer days of 1997, and he now feels brave enough to do that with the help of a producer who is encouraging it. I loathe your dislike for DBTT. I love your defense of BHN. Viva la difference. Fair play, pal!  I really wish I could like DBTT and DOYS, but I just can't. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 13, 2017 3:57:15 GMT -5
Lets face it... Noel doesn't like BHN because Liam sounds fucking incredible on it.The only question I'd like to ask Noel about this is not anything to do with Liam (because that is complete bogus and irrelevant) but why he dismisses the album so much when it is quite clearly better than all the subsequent Oasis albums, some of which were downright terrible. It has nothing to do with Liam. Obviously. I believe that Noel had dreams, than he was living his dreams but few months after BHN was released, the dream was over. He was planning their third album before they were famous, it was all part of his masterplan, his teenage dreams and plans combined into one. If we try to compare football to music, let's imagine that, let's say Nirvana, won the World Cup in 1993. Next World Cup is 1997. Oasis is new, exciting team with dreams and plans to win WC in 1997. They are playing great in qualifications, it's obvious that they are the best team and they are coming to World Cup to confirm that. Now it's their time to prove that to whole world, to America, Asia, Africa... Even those who didn't see them play in qualifications are now ready to watch them and see what's all the fuss is about. But they were not as good as they were in years before WC and they were eliminated in semi-final. All that Noel was dreaming about since he was a kid was to score in World Cup's final and to win that trophy. He failed to do that. He's very well aware that he is in his 30s now and that football(R'n'R) is young man's game and that he will never be as good as he once was. Times has changed, new teams arrived, few important players left his team, Liam, best player in the team after Noel, is not playing as good as he once was. Noel is now just professional footballer, playing just for money with very little passion. They arrived to next WC and they were eliminated in the group stage, Noel showed few times why he once was best player in the world but that wasn't enough. But he is not disappointed as he was in 1997. He knows that 27th place in 2001 is maybe now his reality and if it isn't, he doesn't give a fuck anymore. He is far from first place and that was his dream. It doesn't matter if he is fifth or 55th. But he had a chance to be first in 1997. And he will always hate that bronze medal more than 125th place 15 or 20 years later. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 4:08:52 GMT -5
The only question I'd like to ask Noel about this is not anything to do with Liam (because that is complete bogus and irrelevant) but why he dismisses the album so much when it is quite clearly better than all the subsequent Oasis albums, some of which were downright terrible. It has nothing to do with Liam. Obviously. I believe that Noel had dreams, than he was living his dreams but few months after BHN was released, the dream was over. He was planning their third album before they were famous, it was all part of his masterplan, his teenage dreams and plans combined into one. If we try to compare football to music, let's imagine that, let's say Nirvana, won the World Cup in 1993. Next World Cup is 1997. Oasis is new, exciting team with dreams and plans to win WC in 1997. They are playing great in qualifications, it's obvious that they are the best team and they are coming to World Cup to confirm that. Now it's their time to prove that to whole world, to America, Asia, Africa... Even those who didn't see them play in qualifications are now ready to watch them and see what's all the fuss is about. But they were not as good as they were in years before WC and they were eliminated in semi-final. All that Noel was dreaming about since he was a kid was to score in World Cup's final and to win that trophy. He failed to do that. He's very well aware that he is in his 30s now and that football(R'n'R) is young man's game and that he will never be as good as he once was. Times has changed, new teams arrived, few important players left his team, Liam, best player in the team after Noel, is not playing as good as he once was. Noel is now just professional footballer, playing just for money with very little passion. They arrived to next WC and they were eliminated in the group stage, Noel showed few times why he once was best player in the world but that wasn't enough. But he is not disappointed as he was in 1997. He knows that 27th place in 2001 is maybe now his reality and if it isn't, he doesn't give a fuck anymore. He is far from first place and that was his dream. It doesn't matter if he is fifth or 55th. But he had a chance to be first in 1997. And he will always hate that bronze medal more than 125th place 15 or 20 years later. So who won the World Cup in 1997 ? (I have my idea tbh...) |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 13, 2017 4:15:23 GMT -5
I believe that Noel had dreams, than he was living his dreams but few months after BHN was released, the dream was over. He was planning their third album before they were famous, it was all part of his masterplan, his teenage dreams and plans combined into one. If we try to compare football to music, let's imagine that, let's say Nirvana, won the World Cup in 1993. Next World Cup is 1997. Oasis is new, exciting team with dreams and plans to win WC in 1997. They are playing great in qualifications, it's obvious that they are the best team and they are coming to World Cup to confirm that. Now it's their time to prove that to whole world, to America, Asia, Africa... Even those who didn't see them play in qualifications are now ready to watch them and see what's all the fuss is about. But they were not as good as they were in years before WC and they were eliminated in semi-final. All that Noel was dreaming about since he was a kid was to score in World Cup's final and to win that trophy. He failed to do that. He's very well aware that he is in his 30s now and that football(R'n'R) is young man's game and that he will never be as good as he once was. Times has changed, new teams arrived, few important players left his team, Liam, best player in the team after Noel, is not playing as good as he once was. Noel is now just professional footballer, playing just for money with very little passion. They arrived to next WC and they were eliminated in the group stage, Noel showed few times why he once was best player in the world but that wasn't enough. But he is not disappointed as he was in 1997. He knows that 27th place in 2001 is maybe now his reality and if it isn't, he doesn't give a fuck anymore. He is far from first place and that was his dream. It doesn't matter if he is fifth or 55th. But he had a chance to be first in 1997. And he will always hate that bronze medal more than 125th place 15 or 20 years later. So who won the World Cup in 1997 ? (I have my idea tbh...) Simon Cowell |
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 13, 2017 4:34:21 GMT -5
I hate that Noel thinks Heathen Chemistry is better than Be here now. I think he rates albums based on how critical reaction affected him. Be Here Now was met with backlash, so he hates it. SOTSOG didn't do well, so he says he shouldn't have released it. HC started the trend to call every Oasis album "a return to the glory days", so he likes it. For someone as confident and cocky as he is, he does seem to let the critics get in his head a little too much. |
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Post by ricardogce on Oct 13, 2017 4:38:05 GMT -5
I couldn't give a toss what Noel thinks about BHN. For me it's his defining, crowning moment. This IS the masterpiece album that everyone was hoping for in 1997, and pisses all over everything he wrote before - and since! It is one of the most unique, ballsy, epic, brave, swaggeringly overconfident, arrogant albums ever made - Oasis at their absolutely peak, top of their game. No other record sounded quite like this before, and no album has sounded like it ever since. For all Noel's BS about trying to distancing himself from the record and disowning it, I think secretly deep down he loves it, but was too disturbed by the negative critical reaction later on. Also coming down with the biggest hangover to end all hangovers didn't help either, after a wild party which lasted several years. I believe there is a part of NG that still wants to `BHN' his tunes - throw the kitchen sink at them - loud, multi-layered, swaggeringly long, and positively upbeat. Judging by his latest single, he is slowly returning back to those glorious summer days of 1997, and he now feels brave enough to do that with the help of a producer who is encouraging it. I love this post. Be Here Now deserves so much more praise than it gets. While I think MG is their masterpiece, BHN epitomizes the fun, life-affirming Oasis I fell in love with. Optimistic arrogance, that's my Oasis. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 13, 2017 4:38:07 GMT -5
I hate that Noel thinks Heathen Chemistry is better than Be here now. I think he rates albums based on how critical reaction affected him. Be Here Now was met with backlash, so he hates it. SOTSOG didn't do well, so he says he shouldn't have released it. HC started the trend to call every Oasis album "a return to the glory days", so he likes it. For someone as confident and cocky as he is, he does seem to let the critics get in his head a little too much. Yes, I agree with this. For all Noel's bravado talk about not caring what critics say, he so obviously does care, and he does get affected. Sometimes I think the confidence is a bit of an act, for both Gallaghers. You could clearly see Liam was a nervous wreck when he appeared on Graham Norton the other week. |
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Post by asdfgjhkl19 on Oct 22, 2017 22:39:50 GMT -5
Production is lacking so I struggle with it but, yeah, it was Liam's day in the sun. His vocals are outstanding. Sidenote: Why is it that the album production is sub-par but the production on b-sides such as Going Nowhere, Flashbax and Stay Young is absolutely fine? it was a conscious choice by noel. He blames cocaine but that's just how he wanted the album to sound. In the BBC documentary he says something like "there's no soft songs on this album, they're all really loud and long". I can't remember the exact quote but he basically outlines all the problems with BHN without realising it. He deliberately made the album sound that way. IGBM was 7 minutes long as early as knebworth for example. and MBM was just as noisy in 1996. He left things like going nowhere off the album because they didn't fit the horrible sound he was going for |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Oct 23, 2017 0:44:02 GMT -5
Production is lacking so I struggle with it but, yeah, it was Liam's day in the sun. His vocals are outstanding. Sidenote: Why is it that the album production is sub-par but the production on b-sides such as Going Nowhere, Flashbax and Stay Young is absolutely fine? it was a conscious choice by noel. He blames cocaine but that's just how he wanted the album to sound. In the BBC documentary he says something like "there's no soft songs on this album, they're all really loud and long". I can't remember the exact quote but he basically outlines all the problems with BHN without realising it. He deliberately made the album sound that way. IGBM was 7 minutes long as early as knebworth for example. and MBM was just as noisy in 1996. He left things like going nowhere off the album because they didn't fit the horrible sound he was going for Horrible sound? To you maybe. |
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Post by asdfgjhkl19 on Oct 23, 2017 14:33:39 GMT -5
it was a conscious choice by noel. He blames cocaine but that's just how he wanted the album to sound. In the BBC documentary he says something like "there's no soft songs on this album, they're all really loud and long". I can't remember the exact quote but he basically outlines all the problems with BHN without realising it. He deliberately made the album sound that way. IGBM was 7 minutes long as early as knebworth for example. and MBM was just as noisy in 1996. He left things like going nowhere off the album because they didn't fit the horrible sound he was going for Horrible sound? To you maybe. and many other people with working ears |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 15:12:22 GMT -5
Us parka monkeys just aren't clever enough to understand Noel's distaste for Be Here Now.
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Post by Derrick on Oct 23, 2017 16:53:55 GMT -5
I've posted that bit in another thread but it fits here as well:
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