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Post by eva on Aug 29, 2017 17:59:09 GMT -5
anyway... I just hope this new song is out before the October dates, and he plays it here
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Post by mystoryisgory on Aug 29, 2017 18:02:48 GMT -5
A bit of a tangent.... You have no idea how much I wish that Oasis had released Primal Scream's XTRMNTR in place of SOTSOG. The two albums aren't that far apart from each other stylistically. Kill All Hippies, Exterminator, and Shoot Speed/Kill Light are all cut from the same cloth as Fuckin' in the Bushes, Go Let It Out, and Gas Panic. And let's be honest, we all imagine Liam singing Accelerator. But while XTRMNTR is a vicious, savage cacophony of noise designed to make the capitalist fat cats quiver in their mansions and gold-plated toilet seats, SOTSOG's production is far too clean, the tempos too slow and plodding, the songs too weak, the sentiments too sentimental, the album too unfocused for it to have anywhere near the same impact. Had Noel and Liam swallowed some pride and brought in collaborators like David Holmes, The Chemical Brothers, Kevin Shields, Andrew Weatherall, etc, they could have elevated the songs they had to something just as exciting. Such a move would have undoubtedly saved Oasis's career and possibly reshaped British rock far more than XTRMNTR did, all because of Oasis's greater popularity. And the best part is we would have been saved from the horror of Heathen Chemistry.
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Aug 29, 2017 19:49:40 GMT -5
This release will split the board in two. Luddites vs the progressives, I look forward to: "but guys it is has a sample and is dancey, Dios Mio Noel sold out, why can't we get another Rock N Roll star" et cetera et cetera.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 20:08:23 GMT -5
This release will split the board in two. Luddites vs the progressives, I look forward to: "but guys it is has a sample and is dancey, Dios Mio Noel sold out, why can't we get another Rock N Roll star" et cetera et cetera. Have you heard the track? (Be honest)
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Post by XTRMNTRSCREAM on Aug 29, 2017 20:20:08 GMT -5
A friend has, and he echoed similar sentiments what another user has mentioned. It is hard for me to get anything nowadays as the people I know have left their jobs at Spin and Sony respectively.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 29, 2017 20:25:17 GMT -5
This release will split the board in two. Luddites vs the progressives, I look forward to: "but guys it is has a sample and is dancey, Dios Mio Noel sold out, why can't we get another Rock N Roll star" et cetera et cetera. Have you heard the track? (Be honest) That is a guy you cannot trust.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 20:30:40 GMT -5
It's strange we're hearing about how dance-oriented / Chemical Brothers-oriented the new stuff is, yet there's Noel in the video with an old school guitar like something a shoe-gazer would have.
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Post by glider on Aug 29, 2017 21:22:54 GMT -5
I've been out of the loop so where has all this U2 news come from? Their social media? Edit: Wow, just saw their Twitter. Would've thought something would be posted here about it
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Post by blurareshit on Aug 29, 2017 21:28:32 GMT -5
U2's new single is coming out next wednesday anyway...
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Post by mystoryisgory on Aug 30, 2017 1:04:01 GMT -5
It's strange we're hearing about how dance-oriented / Chemical Brothers-oriented the new stuff is, yet there's Noel in the video with an old school guitar like something a shoe-gazer would have. Mixing shoegaze with dance music isn't a new trick. Even Blur did it on their debut album.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 30, 2017 1:38:21 GMT -5
It's strange we're hearing about how dance-oriented / Chemical Brothers-oriented the new stuff is, yet there's Noel in the video with an old school guitar like something a shoe-gazer would have. What A Life, Ballad Of The Mighty I and In The Heat Of The Moment all had guitars on them, and all three of them are dancey. Anyway, I'm CRAZY excited!
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Post by heathenchemist01 on Aug 30, 2017 2:03:12 GMT -5
Sorry to say this but the title (?) sounds like Take That.
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Post by Doc Lobster on Aug 30, 2017 3:54:37 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Aug 30, 2017 5:07:17 GMT -5
Sorry to say this but the title (?) sounds like Take That. I know nothing about Take That so thankfully it's not distorting my impression of such a title. I like it - and given that instagram snap, the lyric will be 'Its a beautiful world'. Simple and the sentiment is straight to the point and doesn't resort to Noel's cliches of titles with pseudo-philosophical bollocks. Stone Roses had similar with Beautiful Thing, while U2 knocked it out the park with Beautiful Day. Nothing sentimental or boy bandish with either, so we shouldn't have any worries about Noel veering into Take That territory!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 9:27:06 GMT -5
It's strange we're hearing about how dance-oriented / Chemical Brothers-oriented the new stuff is, yet there's Noel in the video with an old school guitar like something a shoe-gazer would have. Just curious, what kind of guitar would fit dance music then? I know both Primal Scream and Happy Mondays used Les Pauls... Who else used Les Pauls? Oh yeah, pretty much every old school rock guitarist has played them.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Aug 31, 2017 8:12:37 GMT -5
It's happening again.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Aug 31, 2017 8:28:31 GMT -5
A friendly reminder before people's dance/electronic expectations explode, here's a Noel interview from last year:
Remember this is Noel Gallagher. He has warned you.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 31, 2017 8:30:10 GMT -5
A friendly reminder before people's dance/electronic expectations explode, here's a Noel interview from last year: Remember this is Noel Gallagher. He has warned you. I hear ya. It's only natural. Holmes is an electronic producer. So people will immediately assume electronic. I'm hoping for a mix of stuff like TSOTL and ITHOTM.
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Post by The Escapist on Aug 31, 2017 8:45:03 GMT -5
A friendly reminder before people's dance/electronic expectations explode, here's a Noel interview from last year: Remember this is Noel Gallagher. He has warned you. I'm thinking some thing that is rock, but with some more rhythmic qualities to it as well. Think the riff/groove thing in Arcade Fire's It's Never Over (Hey Orpheus).
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Post by 2nz on Aug 31, 2017 10:13:48 GMT -5
RE: David Holmes- has anyone read "Meet Me in the Bathroom" about the NYC music scene in the early 2000s? He's a character in that, seemed to hang around making music in NY in the late 90s along with James Murphy (latterly of LCD Soundsytem) and DFA. Didn't end very well, mainly due to a personality clash between James and him and how one of the problems was David being a visionary but needing people to create the music, and James being able to play everything.
The electronic tag that he has is probably a misnomer- I always think of him as being more cinematic.
There's a great album he produced for a band called Cashier No. 9- To the Death of Fun. It's a guitar album with lush harmonies (and features Jason Faulkner, who Russ Pritchard said in The Stage left Podcast plays the bass on it).
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Post by matt on Aug 31, 2017 14:44:15 GMT -5
RE: David Holmes- has anyone read "Meet Me in the Bathroom" about the NYC music scene in the early 2000s? He's a character in that, seemed to hang around making music in NY in the late 90s along with James Murphy (latterly of LCD Soundsytem) and DFA. Didn't end very well, mainly due to a personality clash between James and him and how one of the problems was David being a visionary but needing people to create the music, and James being able to play everything. The electronic tag that he has is probably a misnomer- I always think of him as being more cinematic. There's a great album he produced for a band called Cashier No. 9- To the Death of Fun. It's a guitar album with lush harmonies (and features Jason Faulkner, who Russ Pritchard said in The Stage left Podcast plays the bass on it). That's an interesting point, and one that hints at why he refused to produce Chasing Yesterday; basically because all the songs were completely finished, giving him little creative influence. Like I said previously, if it is a 'rock' record, then let's hope to god it is in the vein of Fuckin In The Bushes. That dabbles in electronic production techniques like sampling, loops and synths that are going on behind the Led Zep style riff, and is all the better for it. Those largely used electronic techniques - whether it be the drum loop, the vocal sample, the swirling synth that you can make out - sound so weird to put you off kilter, while the ears face an onslaught of guitar riffs and choirs. Yes, your reaction should be 'what the fuck is this?!'. That's what rock music should do - make you sit bolt upright and assault the hearing. And, not to get too sidetracked, despite the cliches thrown around that Oasis in the 90s were purely a retro nostalgic act, I do believe they pushed the boat out sonically - albeit in the most reckless manner possible. What with the Owen Morris brickwalling, the vast distortion and earth quake inducing guitars, these were pretty modern techniques that really pushed the noise levels up to the maximum (taking hints here and there from shoegaze), so much so that much of what went before sounds relatively tame. The success of Oasis did not purely rely on nostalgia and conventional songwriting, it was also largely down to the fact that they DID sound like a modern band. Oasis, and the following solo projects, biggest failures are exactly down to sounding TOO retro at times. I'm amazed that some folk think rock and electronic styles are mutually incompatible. Combined together, it more often than not conjures up the heaviest, most in-your-face hard hitting intimidating sounds of the modern era - something that 'rock n roll' prided itself on back in the day, yet whose proponents these days are so insufferably inoffensive and dull that you get the impression they don't have any idea how to 'rock'. And yes, I count the poorer Oasis material and Beady Eye in that. It would have been great if Noel had taken an extra year to make Giants with a producer who pushed him to write and experiment in the studio. The weaker, more conventional songs should have been binned and Fuckin In The Bushes should have been the template for the album, along with other Noel experiments like Setting Sun. It would have been a fantastic reinvention: the hard hitting ballsiness would still be there, although the means to being 'hard hitting' and 'ballsy' would have changed. The ethos of the band would have remained intact while the band made sonic leaps. That is precisely why Liam's vocals are a wasted asset on so many songs (particularly the simpering Beady Eye); what better voice is there in the world to combine with the sonic assaults of electronica inspired music? You are not going to forget that easily, so why he - or Oasis - didn't bother beats me. So when Noel says the album will be a 'rock' record, I sure as hell hope he doesn't mean in the style of a middle aged pub dweller rocking out to Status Quo (like many of his recent 'rock' songs). Of course, if it's largely electronica I'd be delighted, but if he is eager to still play the rockstar, then now is the time to put your balls on the line.... like a real rockstar.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 15:32:52 GMT -5
Now THIS is how you mix beats and rock n' roll...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 16:17:43 GMT -5
RE: David Holmes- has anyone read "Meet Me in the Bathroom" about the NYC music scene in the early 2000s? He's a character in that, seemed to hang around making music in NY in the late 90s along with James Murphy (latterly of LCD Soundsytem) and DFA. Didn't end very well, mainly due to a personality clash between James and him and how one of the problems was David being a visionary but needing people to create the music, and James being able to play everything. The electronic tag that he has is probably a misnomer- I always think of him as being more cinematic. There's a great album he produced for a band called Cashier No. 9- To the Death of Fun. It's a guitar album with lush harmonies (and features Jason Faulkner, who Russ Pritchard said in The Stage left Podcast plays the bass on it). That's an interesting point, and one that hints at why he refused to produce Chasing Yesterday; basically because all the songs were completely finished, giving him little creative influence. Like I said previously, if it is a 'rock' record, then let's hope to god it is in the vein of Fuckin In The Bushes. That dabbles in electronic production techniques like sampling, loops and synths that are going on behind the Led Zep style riff, and is all the better for it. Those largely used electronic techniques - whether it be the drum loop, the vocal sample, the swirling synth that you can make out - sound so weird to put you off kilter, while the ears face an onslaught of guitar riffs and choirs. Yes, your reaction should be 'what the fuck is this?!'. That's what rock music should do - make you sit bolt upright and assault the hearing. And, not to get too sidetracked, despite the cliches thrown around that Oasis in the 90s were purely a retro nostalgic act, I do believe they pushed the boat out sonically - albeit in the most reckless manner possible. What with the Owen Morris brickwalling, the vast distortion and earth quake inducing guitars, these were pretty modern techniques that really pushed the noise levels up to the maximum (taking hints here and there from shoegaze), so much so that much of what went before sounds relatively tame. The success of Oasis did not purely rely on nostalgia and conventional songwriting, it was also largely down to the fact that they DID sound like a modern band. Oasis, and the following solo projects, biggest failures are exactly down to sounding TOO retro at times. I'm amazed that some folk think rock and electronic styles are mutually incompatible. Combined together, it more often than not conjures up the heaviest, most in-your-face hard hitting intimidating sounds of the modern era - something that 'rock n roll' prided itself on back in the day, yet whose proponents these days are so insufferably inoffensive and dull that you get the impression they don't have any idea how to 'rock'. And yes, I count the poorer Oasis material and Beady Eye in that. It would have been great if Noel had taken an extra year to make Giants with a producer who pushed him to write and experiment in the studio. The weaker, more conventional songs should have been binned and Fuckin In The Bushes should have been the template for the album, along with other Noel experiments like Setting Sun. It would have been a fantastic reinvention: the hard hitting ballsiness would still be there, although the means to being 'hard hitting' and 'ballsy' would have changed. The ethos of the band would have remained intact while the band made sonic leaps. That is precisely why Liam's vocals are a wasted asset on so many songs (particularly the simpering Beady Eye); what better voice is there in the world to combine with the sonic assaults of electronica inspired music? You are not going to forget that easily, so why he - or Oasis - didn't bother beats me. So when Noel says the album will be a 'rock' record, I sure as hell hope he doesn't mean in the style of a middle aged pub dweller rocking out to Status Quo (like many of his recent 'rock' songs). Of course, if it's largely electronica I'd be delighted, but if he is eager to still play the rockstar, then now is the time to put your balls on the line.... like a real rockstar. I expect at least 2 songs like Lock All the Doors or You Know We Can't Go Back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 16:38:24 GMT -5
I expect at least 2 songs like Lock All the Doors or You Know We Can't Go Back. And that would be fucking amazing.
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Post by rw1980 on Sept 1, 2017 4:09:58 GMT -5
RE: David Holmes- has anyone read "Meet Me in the Bathroom" about the NYC music scene in the early 2000s? He's a character in that, seemed to hang around making music in NY in the late 90s along with James Murphy (latterly of LCD Soundsytem) and DFA. Didn't end very well, mainly due to a personality clash between James and him and how one of the problems was David being a visionary but needing people to create the music, and James being able to play everything. The electronic tag that he has is probably a misnomer- I always think of him as being more cinematic. There's a great album he produced for a band called Cashier No. 9- To the Death of Fun. It's a guitar album with lush harmonies (and features Jason Faulkner, who Russ Pritchard said in The Stage left Podcast plays the bass on it). That's an interesting point, and one that hints at why he refused to produce Chasing Yesterday; basically because all the songs were completely finished, giving him little creative influence. Like I said previously, if it is a 'rock' record, then let's hope to god it is in the vein of Fuckin In The Bushes. That dabbles in electronic production techniques like sampling, loops and synths that are going on behind the Led Zep style riff, and is all the better for it. Those largely used electronic techniques - whether it be the drum loop, the vocal sample, the swirling synth that you can make out - sound so weird to put you off kilter, while the ears face an onslaught of guitar riffs and choirs. Yes, your reaction should be 'what the fuck is this?!'. That's what rock music should do - make you sit bolt upright and assault the hearing. And, not to get too sidetracked, despite the cliches thrown around that Oasis in the 90s were purely a retro nostalgic act, I do believe they pushed the boat out sonically - albeit in the most reckless manner possible. What with the Owen Morris brickwalling, the vast distortion and earth quake inducing guitars, these were pretty modern techniques that really pushed the noise levels up to the maximum (taking hints here and there from shoegaze), so much so that much of what went before sounds relatively tame. The success of Oasis did not purely rely on nostalgia and conventional songwriting, it was also largely down to the fact that they DID sound like a modern band. Oasis, and the following solo projects, biggest failures are exactly down to sounding TOO retro at times. I'm amazed that some folk think rock and electronic styles are mutually incompatible. Combined together, it more often than not conjures up the heaviest, most in-your-face hard hitting intimidating sounds of the modern era - something that 'rock n roll' prided itself on back in the day, yet whose proponents these days are so insufferably inoffensive and dull that you get the impression they don't have any idea how to 'rock'. And yes, I count the poorer Oasis material and Beady Eye in that. It would have been great if Noel had taken an extra year to make Giants with a producer who pushed him to write and experiment in the studio. The weaker, more conventional songs should have been binned and Fuckin In The Bushes should have been the template for the album, along with other Noel experiments like Setting Sun. It would have been a fantastic reinvention: the hard hitting ballsiness would still be there, although the means to being 'hard hitting' and 'ballsy' would have changed. The ethos of the band would have remained intact while the band made sonic leaps. That is precisely why Liam's vocals are a wasted asset on so many songs (particularly the simpering Beady Eye); what better voice is there in the world to combine with the sonic assaults of electronica inspired music? You are not going to forget that easily, so why he - or Oasis - didn't bother beats me. So when Noel says the album will be a 'rock' record, I sure as hell hope he doesn't mean in the style of a middle aged pub dweller rocking out to Status Quo (like many of his recent 'rock' songs). Of course, if it's largely electronica I'd be delighted, but if he is eager to still play the rockstar, then now is the time to put your balls on the line.... like a real rockstar. Two songs for the SOTSOG era that do exactly that!!
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