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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 14:38:40 GMT -5
I think I'd feel better about it if Liam wasn't going around slagging off everyone else for being beige and not rock n roll enough etc, accusing Noel of being corporate, while he's singing songs written by Adele's writers. There's always been a huge disconnect between Liam's words about being the last true rock n roll star and representing punk or whatever, and the stuff he actually records. Which is what leads to some disappointment I think. As for the song, I guess it's nice? Which isn't the word I'd want to use about a Liam song. Like a song designed by committee, which is horrible. It's obvious someone in marketing decided they need a nice ballad and an apology, since their strategy seems to be built around the 'new' Liam. Yeh, really keeping it real there. I'm not sure there's anything left of the original vocal either. Effects and autotuning all over it, some strange points where it's been edited together pretty badly as already noted. I don't know why he can't record at a lower volume, it would surely help with a song like this, but that video of him recording it shows he screaming into the mic. Weird. Where in the song are the bad edits? Didn't hear those, but I'd like to see if I can spot them with some guidance.
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Aug 10, 2017 14:49:40 GMT -5
I think I'd feel better about it if Liam wasn't going around slagging off everyone else for being beige and not rock n roll enough etc, accusing Noel of being corporate, while he's singing songs written by Adele's writers. There's always been a huge disconnect between Liam's words about being the last true rock n roll star and representing punk or whatever, and the stuff he actually records. Which is what leads to some disappointment I think. As for the song, I guess it's nice? Which isn't the word I'd want to use about a Liam song. Like a song designed by committee, which is horrible. It's obvious someone in marketing decided they need a nice ballad and an apology, since their strategy seems to be built around the 'new' Liam. Yeh, really keeping it real there. I'm not sure there's anything left of the original vocal either. Effects and autotuning all over it, some strange points where it's been edited together pretty badly as already noted. I don't know why he can't record at a lower volume, it would surely help with a song like this, but that video of him recording it shows he screaming into the mic. Weird. Where in the song are the bad edits? Didn't hear those, but I'd like to see if I can spot them with some guidance. If you read back through the tread, it goes into some detail about it. For example, in the chorus the words "worth" and "i'm" just after it are clearly dropped in, most likely those words have been sung individually and edited in, that's how it sounds to me. It's not even a clean edit really, probably due to the fact the word such as "worth" has been sung on it's own and edited in, usually you would get the sibilance from the "s" on "it's" joined together with the stars "worth" if it was sung in 1 take, but you hear the sibilance drop and "worth" comes in un-naturally. Boring i know and 99.9% of people probably wouldn't realise. To be fair, it's just standard vocal comping and editing that is used on pretty much all pop records of today, it's just quite noticeable in this song.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 10, 2017 15:02:02 GMT -5
Where in the song are the bad edits? Didn't hear those, but I'd like to see if I can spot them with some guidance. If you read back through the tread, it goes into some detail about it. For example, in the chorus the words "worth" and "i'm" just after it are clearly dropped in, most likely those words have been sung individually and edited in, that's how it sounds to me. It's not even a clean edit really, probably due to the fact the word such as "worth" has been sung on it's own and edited in, usually you would get the sibilance from the "s" on "it's" joined together with the stars "worth" if it was sung in 1 take, but you hear the sibilance drop and "worth" comes in un-naturally. Boring i know and 99.9% of people probably wouldn't realise. To be fair, it's just standard vocal comping and editing that is used on pretty much all pop records of today, it's just quite noticeable in this song. I'd say that 99% of people who have any production value/background will hear it instantly, as I heard it too. An incredibly unnatural space between "worth" and "it's."
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 10, 2017 15:14:21 GMT -5
The chorus kinda grates after a while really. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png) I must say that I've listened to it this morning and liked it, but it didn't stick with me. Can't remember what it sounds like at all.
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Post by oasisserbia on Aug 10, 2017 15:16:02 GMT -5
Thank you for pointing out that it sounds like Robbie Williams, now I hate the song :-) But seriously, there is nothing that bad about it. Robbie's Williams is much more to Oasis/Liam's/Noel's music than they will ever admit. Just like Oasis in the 90s was making very similar music like 90s Radiohead. More similar than both bands will ever admit. Robbie Williams, from 97 to 2002, has made some great records. They are pop records finely crafted and well recorded, the songs are seriously very good. I'm not ashamed to say i've enjoyed those records. There used to be some good pop records back in the day. BUT, is that what we want from Liam ? A good product or a true rock n roll record ? It all depends on what we expect from Liam. Personally i was expecting something else, something not from the brain of others, if that makes sense. For once, Liam could have put his balls on the table. Not rely on other people's tunes. I sure will enjoy this record, but i will not like to the bones, as i liked Oasis. There is no strong personality to the songs we heard so far. They are good tunes, no arguments. They tick all the box from the book of songwriting but is there a Liam style in them ? Surely not... They could be songs from someone else. It will be a good background music after the novelty bonus every record gets. Is that fine ? I don't know... Yeah, I think that we took that word ''professional songwriters'' as something sacred, like they will solve all Liam's problems and make best record since WTSMG. But it's like we forgot that he was working with songwriter who is so much above all of this ''professional songwriters'' and we wasn't always satisfied with the results, especially in this century. We hear things about new Liam's songs like, this is big Oasis sounding ballad etc. And then people go like, oh shit, I hope it's not the same shit like SCYHO, Let There Be Love, Little By Little...We're sick of that, we want something better. Like this fucking professional songwriters can write songs like Noel. When we hear that it is Oasis sounding ballad, we must be aware that it will be much worse then Let There Be Love, never mind songs like Champagne Supernova, DLBIA... Ballads are all about melody. And this fuckers are not on the same level as Noel when it comes to melody, even this older Noel. And people will talk shit about songs like Little By Little (me first :-) ) and then expect something better from Liam's solo. Not gonna happen. In terms of melodies, we will never get from Liam something on the same level or even close to something like Heathen Chemistry. And that's shit album. Liam's advantages are his attitude, swagger, powerful Rock and Roll voice... He can turn average rock song to great. And it is a bit sad that he is in every interview talking about Rock and Roll, those beige c unts this, those beige c unts that...And his last two singles are Chinatown and now For What It's Worth. Beige as fuck as you ask me. Not that bad, but beige.
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Post by bringmethemonkey on Aug 10, 2017 15:17:15 GMT -5
I think I'd feel better about it if Liam wasn't going around slagging off everyone else for being beige and not rock n roll enough etc, accusing Noel of being corporate, while he's singing songs written by Adele's writers. There's always been a huge disconnect between Liam's words about being the last true rock n roll star and representing punk or whatever, and the stuff he actually records. Which is what leads to some disappointment I think. As for the song, I guess it's nice? Which isn't the word I'd want to use about a Liam song. Like a song designed by committee, which is horrible. It's obvious someone in marketing decided they need a nice ballad and an apology, since their strategy seems to be built around the 'new' Liam. Yeh, really keeping it real there. I'm not sure there's anything left of the original vocal either. Effects and autotuning all over it, some strange points where it's been edited together pretty badly as already noted. I don't know why he can't record at a lower volume, it would surely help with a song like this, but that video of him recording it shows he screaming into the mic. Weird. I agree with what you say...personally I enjoyed that snippet of Eh La in the pub where it sounded like the Pogues with the possibility for a bit of grunt .....while I quite like this track it is very smooth and poppy
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Post by janelr on Aug 10, 2017 15:18:25 GMT -5
I think I'd feel better about it if Liam wasn't going around slagging off everyone else for being beige and not rock n roll enough etc, accusing Noel of being corporate, while he's singing songs written by Adele's writers. There's always been a huge disconnect between Liam's words about being the last true rock n roll star and representing punk or whatever, and the stuff he actually records. Which is what leads to some disappointment I think. As for the song, I guess it's nice? Which isn't the word I'd want to use about a Liam song. Like a song designed by committee, which is horrible. It's obvious someone in marketing decided they need a nice ballad and an apology, since their strategy seems to be built around the 'new' Liam. Yeh, really keeping it real there.I'm not sure there's anything left of the original vocal either. Effects and autotuning all over it, some strange points where it's been edited together pretty badly as already noted. I don't know why he can't record at a lower volume, it would surely help with a song like this, but that video of him recording it shows he screaming into the mic. Weird. The apology was Liam's idea and who knows how much input he had but seems to me it was written with him and all his baggage in mind. In the Q interview a few months ago, it was said that Liam asked Simon Aldred to write him a song of apology that was regretful but not desperate because he was bad at making apologies.
I think this song has mass appeal and could potentially get him more listeners which is what Liam needs if we want another album out of him in the future. FWIW I'm really enjoying it. I didn't love Chinatown, but this one's already stuck in my head. I'm really excited for his performance on Colbert Monday night.
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Post by bringmethemonkey on Aug 10, 2017 15:34:00 GMT -5
Another version, on 1080p Nawwrrrrr he's smashed it
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Aug 10, 2017 15:34:24 GMT -5
If you read back through the tread, it goes into some detail about it. For example, in the chorus the words "worth" and "i'm" just after it are clearly dropped in, most likely those words have been sung individually and edited in, that's how it sounds to me. It's not even a clean edit really, probably due to the fact the word such as "worth" has been sung on it's own and edited in, usually you would get the sibilance from the "s" on "it's" joined together with the stars "worth" if it was sung in 1 take, but you hear the sibilance drop and "worth" comes in un-naturally. Boring i know and 99.9% of people probably wouldn't realise. To be fair, it's just standard vocal comping and editing that is used on pretty much all pop records of today, it's just quite noticeable in this song. I'd say that 99% of people who have any production value/background will hear it instantly, as I heard it too. An incredibly unnatural space between "worth" and "it's." Indeed. I just mean the average radio listener won't spot it but if you know, then it really sticks out. That space is a total clanger once you hear it. I honestly wouldn't have let it leave the studio like that if i was mixing/editing it. It's even worse in the second half of the chorus on the "for what it's worth i know" between the the "worth" and "i", there's some bad autotune on that bit and the word "i" has clearly been dropped in and it sounds like the very start of the word "i" has been cut too late and slightly missing a bit at the start of it.
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Post by plaskins1 on Aug 10, 2017 16:00:00 GMT -5
I'd say that 99% of people who have any production value/background will hear it instantly, as I heard it too. An incredibly unnatural space between "worth" and "it's." Indeed. I just mean the average radio listener won't spot it but if you know, then it really sticks out. That space is a total clanger once you hear it. I honestly wouldn't have let it leave the studio like that if i was mixing/editing it. It's even worse in the second half of the chorus on the "for what it's worth i know" between the the "worth" and "i", there's some bad autotune on that bit and the word "i" has clearly been dropped in and it sounds like the very start of the word "i" has been cut too late and slightly missing a bit at the start of it. Something unnatural in the deliver of the word "swallow" too, stood out to me.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 10, 2017 16:01:56 GMT -5
I'd say that 99% of people who have any production value/background will hear it instantly, as I heard it too. An incredibly unnatural space between "worth" and "it's." Indeed. I just mean the average radio listener won't spot it but if you know, then it really sticks out. That space is a total clanger once you hear it. I honestly wouldn't have let it leave the studio like that if i was mixing/editing it. It's even worse in the second half of the chorus on the "for what it's worth i know" between the the "worth" and "i", there's some bad autotune on that bit and the word "i" has clearly been dropped in and it sounds like the very start of the word "i" has been cut too late and slightly missing a bit at the start of it. I know nothing of music production or editing. I'm always amazed at that kinda of technical knowledge. I still don't get how they used a couple lines from Liam singing Wonderwall in Japan and mixed it with the rest of Wonderwall from FTM.
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Post by Aman on Aug 10, 2017 16:02:57 GMT -5
"Arrows" and "Sorrows" sounded odd to me.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 10, 2017 16:04:28 GMT -5
I'd say that 99% of people who have any production value/background will hear it instantly, as I heard it too. An incredibly unnatural space between "worth" and "it's." Indeed. I just mean the average radio listener won't spot it but if you know, then it really sticks out. That space is a total clanger once you hear it. I honestly wouldn't have let it leave the studio like that if i was mixing/editing it. It's even worse in the second half of the chorus on the "for what it's worth i know" between the the "worth" and "i", there's some bad autotune on that bit and the word "i" has clearly been dropped in and it sounds like the very start of the word "i" has been cut too late and slightly missing a bit at the start of it. I'm guessing they didn't have many salvageable takes to get it from. Things get tricky when you're asked to do surgery on takes with less than stellar options.
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Post by neila83 on Aug 10, 2017 16:10:15 GMT -5
Indeed. I just mean the average radio listener won't spot it but if you know, then it really sticks out. That space is a total clanger once you hear it. I honestly wouldn't have let it leave the studio like that if i was mixing/editing it. It's even worse in the second half of the chorus on the "for what it's worth i know" between the the "worth" and "i", there's some bad autotune on that bit and the word "i" has clearly been dropped in and it sounds like the very start of the word "i" has been cut too late and slightly missing a bit at the start of it. Something unnatural in the deliver of the word "swallow" too, stood out to me. And the extended 'worth' in the first chorus sounds very unnatural. Is it really too much to ask that now he's a solo artist people write songs that are within his range? I actually find the chorus a bit painful to listen to, it's too high and sounds a bit screechy.
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Post by walrus91 on Aug 10, 2017 16:15:03 GMT -5
Something unnatural in the deliver of the word "swallow" too, stood out to me. And the extended 'worth' in the first chorus sounds very unnatural. Is it really too much to ask that now he's a solo artist people write songs that are within his range? I actually find the chorus a bit painful to listen to, it's too high and sounds a bit screechy. everyone I've let listen to it say the same thing.. wow those vocals .. and they are not oasis fans.. best Liam vocals since BHN
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Post by neila83 on Aug 10, 2017 16:15:26 GMT -5
I think I'd feel better about it if Liam wasn't going around slagging off everyone else for being beige and not rock n roll enough etc, accusing Noel of being corporate, while he's singing songs written by Adele's writers. There's always been a huge disconnect between Liam's words about being the last true rock n roll star and representing punk or whatever, and the stuff he actually records. Which is what leads to some disappointment I think. As for the song, I guess it's nice? Which isn't the word I'd want to use about a Liam song. Like a song designed by committee, which is horrible. It's obvious someone in marketing decided they need a nice ballad and an apology, since their strategy seems to be built around the 'new' Liam. Yeh, really keeping it real there.I'm not sure there's anything left of the original vocal either. Effects and autotuning all over it, some strange points where it's been edited together pretty badly as already noted. I don't know why he can't record at a lower volume, it would surely help with a song like this, but that video of him recording it shows he screaming into the mic. Weird. The apology was Liam's idea and who knows how much input he had but seems to me it was written with him and all his baggage in mind. In the Q interview a few months ago, it was said that Liam asked Simon Aldred to write him a song of apology that was regretful but not desperate because he was bad at making apologies.
I think this song has mass appeal and could potentially get him more listeners which is what Liam needs if we want another album out of him in the future. FWIW I'm really enjoying it. I didn't love Chinatown, but this one's already stuck in my head. I'm really excited for his performance on Colbert Monday night.
That's all fine, can we accept that he is not the last stand of punk/rock n roll or whatever he likes to portray himself as then? He's a pop artist hiring writers on spec to write soppy little ballads to please radio 2 listeners. He always says he doesn't care if no-one buys his music but signing to Warner Brothers and completely selling out on his image rather suggests otherwise. Stick it to the man Liam! If it was about the music he could easily have collaborated with his buddys like Death in Vegas, Chemical brothers etc. etc., done an album of him singing on songs of his peers. He chose not to.
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Post by neila83 on Aug 10, 2017 16:24:21 GMT -5
And the extended 'worth' in the first chorus sounds very unnatural. Is it really too much to ask that now he's a solo artist people write songs that are within his range? I actually find the chorus a bit painful to listen to, it's too high and sounds a bit screechy. everyone I've let listen to it say the same thing.. wow those vocals .. and they are not oasis fans.. best Liam vocals since BHN But they're not are they? Listen to the live version above, it's horrible, and that's toned down. I guarantee you if for anyone here the first thing they ever knew about Liam Gallagher was seeing that live performance they wouldn't be saying what a great song, it's like an Oasis ballad, they'd be ripping the pub singer on stage apart.
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Post by neila83 on Aug 10, 2017 16:27:03 GMT -5
Another version, on 1080p Nawwrrrrr he's smashed it You're joking right? I would be embarrassed to play that to anyone who wasn't a hardcore oasis fan. Out of tune, toneless, words kind of mumbled together and undistinguishable. Sad. Why are people writing songs like this for him? I hated I'm out of Time for many of the same reasons. Is it Liam insisting on all these high notes to prove something? All well and good in the studio, embarrassing on the stage.
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Post by mimmihopps on Aug 10, 2017 16:35:33 GMT -5
Nawwrrrrr he's smashed it You're joking right? I would be embarrassed to play that to anyone who wasn't a hardcore oasis fan. Out of tune, toneless, words kind of mumbled together and undistinguishable. Sad. Why are people writing songs like this for him? I hated I'm out of Time for many of the same reasons. Is it Liam insisting on all these high notes to prove something? All well and good in the studio, embarrassing on the stage. I've seen Oasis 4 times and Beady Eye 3 times and I must say he sounds better on this video than when I saw Oasis on DOYS tour back in 2009. As I said more than once before, I'm just happy to see Liam is back to where he belongs to and I'm really looking forward to his first ever solo album. I'll see and listen to the album and him live and want to judge it by my own ears.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 16:38:40 GMT -5
Nawwrrrrr he's smashed it You're joking right? I would be embarrassed to play that to anyone who wasn't a hardcore oasis fan. Out of tune, toneless, words kind of mumbled together and undistinguishable. Sad. Why are people writing songs like this for him? I hated I'm out of Time for many of the same reasons. Is it Liam insisting on all these high notes to prove something? All well and good in the studio, embarrassing on the stage. Clown.
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Post by walrus91 on Aug 10, 2017 16:39:02 GMT -5
Nawwrrrrr he's smashed it You're joking right? I would be embarrassed to play that to anyone who wasn't a hardcore oasis fan. Out of tune, toneless, words kind of mumbled together and undistinguishable. Sad. Why are people writing songs like this for him? I hated I'm out of Time for many of the same reasons. Is it Liam insisting on all these high notes to prove something? All well and good in the studio, embarrassing on the stage. who pissed in your cornflakes.. I'm outta time is fantastic .. how the hell can u not like that song ... the response to has been fantastic so far for FWIW .. you don't like it then that's fine . But don't be a dick head ..China town I don't like but some do which is fine but if you dont like the voice on FWIW then why are you on an Oasis forum? That's about as good as it gets with Liam..
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Post by walterglass on Aug 10, 2017 16:41:42 GMT -5
Another version, on 1080p Nawwrrrrr he's smashed it Fucking shit a brick. Everybody, we need to get on the Apple Cider Vinegar. Love it!!!
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Aug 10, 2017 16:54:12 GMT -5
Nawwrrrrr he's smashed it You're joking right? I would be embarrassed to play that to anyone who wasn't a hardcore oasis fan. Out of tune, toneless, words kind of mumbled together and undistinguishable. Sad. Why are people writing songs like this for him? I hated I'm out of Time for many of the same reasons. Is it Liam insisting on all these high notes to prove something? All well and good in the studio, embarrassing on the stage. I have to agree with you there. It does sound pretty dreadful on that live version, if you can listen objectively. Concert footage from the crowd is usually bad quality so it sometimes masks a bad vocal. If you heard a soundboard version of that recording there, it would be pretty horrendous. Watch out though, you're not allowed an opinion here if it's a negative one.
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Post by mimmihopps on Aug 10, 2017 16:57:22 GMT -5
Watch out though, you're not allowed an opinion here if it's a negative one. That's not true at all.
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Post by durk on Aug 10, 2017 16:57:28 GMT -5
not bowled over tbh but i think it's gonna work really well in the context of the album.
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