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Post by jxing on Jul 25, 2017 13:29:44 GMT -5
I imagine that he's going to have address what Liam said eventually Not necessarily. At least in public. I didn't mean in public. Those words from Liam were pretty genuine and very honest. I can't imagine anyone not letting those words effect you, they'll at least creep up in his thoughts. I definitely believe that their relationship; if they do come together Needs to be very far away from the public. |
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Post by headshrinker84 on Jul 25, 2017 19:02:18 GMT -5
The entire band siding with Liam and becoming BE speaks volumes. They went with Liam because they wanted to start something new straight away. While Noel was waiting longer to start his new stuff. And that Noel was going solo so they probably knew they wouldn't get to write any new song's unlike in Beady eye. |
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Jul 25, 2017 19:28:53 GMT -5
The entire band siding with Liam and becoming BE speaks volumes. They went with Liam because they wanted to start something new straight away. While Noel was waiting longer to start his new stuff. And that Noel was going solo so they probably knew they wouldn't get to write any new song's unlike in Beady eye. gems now in HFB which means his days as a songwriter are now over but he must be cool with this |
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 25, 2017 19:50:50 GMT -5
Don't forget one thing, people were always saying that Liam is a good guy BUT, and that is a big but, after few drinks, Liam becomes someone else. Violent and angry man.
While Noel is happy and cool when he is high.
So, I think that Liam is really cool and nice most of the day but then , after a few drinks, he will say or do terrible things. And Noel doesn't look like someone who easily forgets things like that.
So, next morning, Noel will be mad for a reason but to rest of us he will look grumpy. And Liam will probably look cool and happy, probably not remembering anything from last night.
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Post by jxing on Jul 25, 2017 20:34:29 GMT -5
Don't forget one thing, people were always saying that Liam is a good guy BUT, and that is a big but, after few drinks, Liam becomes someone else. Violent and angry man. While Noel is happy and cool when he is high. So, I think that Liam is really cool and nice most of the day but then , after a few drinks, he will say or do terrible things. And Noel doesn't look like someone who easily forgets things like that. So, next morning, Noel will be mad for a reason but to rest of us he will look grumpy. And Liam will probably look cool and happy, probably not remembering anything from last night. I definitely see your point... and this is just my opinion, Liam just seems very different. After every thing that has happened in his life, one has to wake up and realize that you are the common denominator in every situation and you have no choice but to change. Hell, it happened to me and I don't have kids and never been married, so I like to think that he is definitely still Liam but is much more aware of the consequences of his actions. He's lost so much and even admitted it was his own doing. I definitely think that if they reunite, it needs to be behind closed doors and maybe oasis isn't the best thing for them.. they'll have to do what he said, become friends and brothers again. Who knows!? He could get totally hammered tomorrow and blow everything but I'd like to think he has more respect for himself and his fans. |
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Post by themightyeye on Jul 25, 2017 21:27:37 GMT -5
Noels either whipped and brainwashed or has had a complete lifestyle and mentality change. Why else would he stand in the crowd to watch a washed up U2 perform lol...all jokes aside.. This was all Noel from the beginning. He's the one who wanted a solo career+ Liam was singing terribly at the time also and their last album wasn't anything special. Noel did the right thing at the time but it's worn out for me. I don't find him interesting live anymore. The novelty has worn off. I don't like his setlists at all and he never changes them and doesn't care. I can't stand that he considers Aka What a Life encore worthy as I find it to be one of his worst songs ever.
I love Chasing Yesterday. I think it's a beautiful Album and I can play it often front to back. The first one imo is extremely overproduced however as a frontman he is weak and boring for me.
I'm really hoping he gets the itch to do an Oasis run soon by opening for U2 and perhaps seeing how Liam is singing again.
Anyhow I am excited for Noel's new album and my guess is it will be forward thinking and groundbreaking stuff.
End of the day this was not Liam's fault.
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Post by holidayinthesun on Jul 25, 2017 22:13:41 GMT -5
The entire band siding with Liam and becoming BE speaks volumes. They went with Liam because they wanted to start something new straight away. While Noel was waiting longer to start his new stuff. And that Noel was going solo so they probably knew they wouldn't get to write any new song's unlike in Beady eye. Yada yada etc etc maybe, there are lots of small factors at play, sure, but it doesn't really matter - Liam was/is their mate but regarding Noel, they each mentioned numerous times how... refreshing... it was to be in a band that was a democracy. I'm not saying they dislike Noel, but in the context of this discussion here, each non-Gallagher member of Oasis sided with Liam. Same thing with Bonehead. This means a lot. |
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Post by Manualex on Jul 25, 2017 22:22:38 GMT -5
They went with Liam because they wanted to start something new straight away. While Noel was waiting longer to start his new stuff. And that Noel was going solo so they probably knew they wouldn't get to write any new song's unlike in Beady eye. Yada yada etc etc maybe, there are lots of small factors at play, sure, but it doesn't really matter - Liam was/is their mate but regarding Noel, they each mentioned numerous times how... refreshing... it was to be in a band that was a democracy. I'm not saying they dislike Noel, but in the context of this discussion here, each non-Gallagher member of Oasis sided with Liam. Same thing with Bonehead. This means a lot. You could argue that Gem, Chris and Mike came back to play with Noel as well. But I do see your point. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 26, 2017 1:07:12 GMT -5
No offence to OP, but it's a shame that this thread is turning to a stupid Liam vs Noel "debate" again. Noels either whipped and brainwashed or has had a complete lifestyle and mentality change. Why else would he stand in the crowd to watch a washed up U2 perform lol...all jokes aside.. This was all Noel from the beginning. He's the one who wanted a solo career+ Liam was singing terribly at the time also and their last album wasn't anything special. Noel did the right thing at the time but it's worn out for me. I don't find him interesting live anymore. The novelty has worn off. I don't like his setlists at all and he never changes them and doesn't care. I can't stand that he considers Aka What a Life encore worthy as I find it to be one of his worst songs ever. I love Chasing Yesterday. I think it's a beautiful Album and I can play it often front to back. The first one imo is extremely overproduced however as a frontman he is weak and boring for me. I'm really hoping he gets the itch to do an Oasis run soon by opening for U2 and perhaps seeing how Liam is singing again. Anyhow I am excited for Noel's new album and my guess is it will be forward thinking and groundbreaking stuff. End of the day this was not Liam's fault. From what I've read, Noel seems enjoying to touring with U2 and nothing wrong if he stands in the crowd to watch their performance. I'm seeing him this week, but I'm not bothered for U2 at all. I only go to see Noel's set, not U2. But then again you wouldn't say the same thing if Liam would support a band which you don't like, would you? and end of the day it's more personal issues between 2 brothers and we don't need to know EVERYTHING what's going around behind a scene. Liam and Noel, 2 brothers made it happen (Oasis) and they made it end by their own hands. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 3:31:07 GMT -5
No offence to OP, but it's a shame that this thread is turning to a stupid Liam vs Noel "debate" again. Noels either whipped and brainwashed or has had a complete lifestyle and mentality change. Why else would he stand in the crowd to watch a washed up U2 perform lol...all jokes aside.. This was all Noel from the beginning. He's the one who wanted a solo career+ Liam was singing terribly at the time also and their last album wasn't anything special. Noel did the right thing at the time but it's worn out for me. I don't find him interesting live anymore. The novelty has worn off. I don't like his setlists at all and he never changes them and doesn't care. I can't stand that he considers Aka What a Life encore worthy as I find it to be one of his worst songs ever. I love Chasing Yesterday. I think it's a beautiful Album and I can play it often front to back. The first one imo is extremely overproduced however as a frontman he is weak and boring for me. I'm really hoping he gets the itch to do an Oasis run soon by opening for U2 and perhaps seeing how Liam is singing again. Anyhow I am excited for Noel's new album and my guess is it will be forward thinking and groundbreaking stuff. End of the day this was not Liam's fault. From what I've read, Noel seems enjoying to touring with U2 and nothing wrong if he stands in the crowd to watch their performance. I'm seeing him this week, but I'm not bothered for U2 at all. I only go to see Noel's set, not U2. But then again you wouldn't say the same thing if Liam would support a band which you don't like, would you? and end of the day it's more personal issues between 2 brothers and we don't need to know EVERYTHING what's going around behind a scene. Liam and Noel, 2 brothers made it happen (Oasis) and they made it end by their own hands. It still amazes me that you are surprised every time a noel vs liam debate pops out in an Oasis forum. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 3:47:30 GMT -5
I'm team Maggie Mouzakitis.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Jul 26, 2017 4:00:05 GMT -5
I think anyone who is as much of an Oasis fan as I am (and in fact anyone is who posts semi-regularly on this site) is aware that they are both at fault. However, since Supersonic came out I know for a fact that public perception of Liam has changed dramatically. People saw him as the drunken yob / football hooligan who would batter reporters and spit on stage, not turn up to gigs, insult his brother for no reason and just generally act the kunt. However, Supersonic showed him for what he is. A committed and dedicated, funny and lovely bloke. Noel didn't come off BADLY in it, but he came off for what he is - a bit of a control freak. What I think has happened, is that Liam is finally getting some exposure that doesn't slate him for simply being Liam Gallagher and, as a result, public opinion has changed.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 26, 2017 4:08:39 GMT -5
I'm surprised how many of you seem to know both Liam and Noel so well personally, judging from the way you speak about them.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 26, 2017 4:13:37 GMT -5
#teamemmadavis
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 26, 2017 5:37:29 GMT -5
No offence to OP, but it's a shame that this thread is turning to a stupid Liam vs Noel "debate" again. From what I've read, Noel seems enjoying to touring with U2 and nothing wrong if he stands in the crowd to watch their performance. I'm seeing him this week, but I'm not bothered for U2 at all. I only go to see Noel's set, not U2. But then again you wouldn't say the same thing if Liam would support a band which you don't like, would you? and end of the day it's more personal issues between 2 brothers and we don't need to know EVERYTHING what's going around behind a scene. Liam and Noel, 2 brothers made it happen (Oasis) and they made it end by their own hands. It still amazes me that you are surprised every time a noel vs liam debate pops out in an Oasis forum. I'm not surprised at all. Those Liam vs Noel debates are dead boring and tiring. You probably haven't seen enough threads/debates regarding this stuff. As being one of the moderators on this forum, it's my job to taking care of this place to alive and to make this place pleasant for everyone. What I'm going to say isn't aimed at you or OP of this thread, so please don't get me wrong. For example, Rolo, Jim and tomlivesforever are huge Liam Gallagher fans on this forum. They show us their love and passion for Liam by posting, but they never have any issue with anyone. They respect others even if they disagree with them. It's a shame that some certain members are not like them. Edit: I've moved this thread to Oasis board as it's about both Gallaghers. |
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Post by fj on Jul 26, 2017 8:50:53 GMT -5
They went with Liam because they wanted to start something new straight away. While Noel was waiting longer to start his new stuff. And that Noel was going solo so they probably knew they wouldn't get to write any new song's unlike in Beady eye. Yada yada etc etc maybe, there are lots of small factors at play, sure, but it doesn't really matter - Liam was/is their mate but regarding Noel, they each mentioned numerous times how... refreshing... it was to be in a band that was a democracy. I'm not saying they dislike Noel, but in the context of this discussion here, each non-Gallagher member of Oasis sided with Liam. Same thing with Bonehead. This means a lot. And even Tony. |
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Post by spaneli on Jul 26, 2017 9:20:45 GMT -5
I'm surprised how many of you seem to know both Liam and Noel so well personally, judging from the way you speak about them. |
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Post by morning_rain on Jul 26, 2017 10:44:58 GMT -5
I haven't changed my mind since the breakup, I still think they need to grow up and stop acting like children.
Also since the split they both disappointed me: Liam with the love affair and Noel being a boring frontman and still obsessed with celebrities and being famous, it was ok when he was young and discovering things but is kind of embarasing now.
Anyway, I don't take sides because none of us were there when it happened. Also both of them have made great records since the split so I think it was for the best.
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Post by andymorris on Jul 26, 2017 11:40:34 GMT -5
The entire band siding with Liam and becoming BE speaks volumes. It doesn't mean anything. Noel started fresh not to be labelled as Oasis without Liam. And he was right to do so. The other guys went where there was a job and an opportunity. + half of BDI just joined Noel again on tour this summer. That also speaks volumes.  As for the old debate, well, who the fuck knows ? Liam reportedly said some really nasty stuff about Noel's wife and kids or whatever. Would you forgive that ? I wouldn't. If he indeed said bad things... The fact that Liam is publicly asking Noel to speak to him again has nothing to do with Liam missing Noel. He just wants his old fame back. On the other side, Noel's always been a fanboi and it's no surprise he likes to hang out with celebrities. He's just a little girl inside. The only difference is one is growing old and loving it and the other one doesn't. |
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Post by holidayinthesun on Jul 26, 2017 14:59:08 GMT -5
The entire band siding with Liam and becoming BE speaks volumes. It doesn't mean anything. Noel started fresh not to be labelled as Oasis without Liam. And he was right to do so. The other guys went where there was a job and an opportunity. + half of BDI just joined Noel again on tour this summer. That also speaks volumes. As for the old debate, well, who the fuck knows ? Liam reportedly said some really nasty stuff about Noel's wife and kids or whatever. Would you forgive that ? I wouldn't. If he indeed said bad things... The fact that Liam is publicly asking Noel to speak to him again has nothing to do with Liam missing Noel. He just wants his old fame back. On the other side, Noel's always been a fanboi and it's no surprise he likes to hang out with celebrities. He's just a little girl inside. The only difference is one is growing old and loving it and the other one doesn't. Give me a break man. Chris and Gem need a paycheck, that is true. But come on guys, between Noel and Liam, you feel it: who is the tyrant? Who is the team player? Who is the divisive one, and who just loves the music? Who is a reluctant solo star, and who has been plotting his solo fame for years? Who is sharing a stage with U2, and who is bringing it to the people? Obvious. |
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Post by andymorris on Jul 27, 2017 1:53:17 GMT -5
It doesn't mean anything. Noel started fresh not to be labelled as Oasis without Liam. And he was right to do so. The other guys went where there was a job and an opportunity. + half of BDI just joined Noel again on tour this summer. That also speaks volumes. As for the old debate, well, who the fuck knows ? Liam reportedly said some really nasty stuff about Noel's wife and kids or whatever. Would you forgive that ? I wouldn't. If he indeed said bad things... The fact that Liam is publicly asking Noel to speak to him again has nothing to do with Liam missing Noel. He just wants his old fame back. On the other side, Noel's always been a fanboi and it's no surprise he likes to hang out with celebrities. He's just a little girl inside. The only difference is one is growing old and loving it and the other one doesn't. Give me a break man. Chris and Gem need a paycheck, that is true. But come on guys, between Noel and Liam, you feel it: who is the tyrant? Who is the team player? Who is the divisive one, and who just loves the music? Who is a reluctant solo star, and who has been plotting his solo fame for years? Who is sharing a stage with U2, and who is bringing it to the people? Obvious. How the fuck do you know ? Liam is a team player because he cant do fuck all alone, that's why. Dont be fooled by what you see on the surface. The fact that most of all past members of Oasis come back to Noel speaks for itself. Noel has had a strong basis of friends for many, many years that play with him or demo or whatever. Liam ? Not so much... A band is not a walk in the park, there's always ego involved. But to call Noel a tyrant is a bit much: he let his brother write average songs for Oasis, and even let members that weren't there before, that he picked, write for the band. When did that happen in the history of music ? How is that being a tyrant ? Beady Eye failed with songs rejected by Noel. How was that a bad decision ? The fact that he wants to be solo now is irrelevant. He succeeded on his own, good for him. They could have easily stopped Oasis for a few years for Noel to do a solo career. Something has happened in 09 and we dont know what. but it seems serious enough. Oasis was boring anyway by the time they split up. Dont forget that Noel also has a business to run. With employees, a record label, tour crew. A lot of people live thanx to Noel. I dont believe those people see him as a tyrant as they are the same people that have worked with him for many, many years. |
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Post by scyhopath on Jul 27, 2017 3:08:35 GMT -5
ITT: everyone talks like they know shit.
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Post by holidayinthesun on Jul 27, 2017 7:43:54 GMT -5
I don't mean a tyrant in a literal sense, obviously. Noel is not a bad guy and is in fact a musical hero of mine - I'm a big fan. That being said, in the context of this thread, a Liam-friendly "different opinion" to the standard opinion, and for the reasons that I listed and more, I think that it is very clear that Liam is and has been for sometime committed to becoming "brothers again, friends again" as he said, while with Noel this doesn't seem to be part of his plan at the moment. And yeah the U2 stuff bugs me for real.
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Post by carlober on Jul 27, 2017 7:51:10 GMT -5
I don't mean a tyrant in a literal sense, obviously. Noel is not a bad guy and is in fact a musical hero of mine - I'm a big fan. That being said, in the context of this thread, a Liam-friendly "different opinion" to the standard opinion, and for the reasons that I listed and more, I think that it is very clear that Liam is and has been for sometime committed to becoming "brothers again, friends again" as he said, while with Noel this doesn't seem to be part of his plan at the moment. And yeah the U2 stuff bugs me for real.Why, if I may ask? |
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Post by joladella on Jul 27, 2017 8:46:08 GMT -5
I remember noel saying in one of his interviews during his last tour that he can't be friends with Liam at the moment. At least that kept the option open of it happening in future. And I stupidly like that the brothers use the same words, being blood is not always enough, you also have to get along, aka be friends, is how I understand that.
Ps: My phone is taking sides, only giving me Liam in capital letters. ;-)
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