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Post by idleroses on Mar 23, 2017 6:15:55 GMT -5
No issue with it from Liam or any artist I listen to once it sounds good. I'd rather he sings a song in a different manner if it means he sounds better rather than straining his voice in an effort to trying to nail a 1990's style vocal.
If he tries to sing some old classics or lesser played songs he knows fans want to hear in their original incarnations night after night he'll blow his voice and the tour will descend into some car crash performances which could well lead to some real explosions on this forum.
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Post by spud on Mar 23, 2017 6:39:26 GMT -5
I still don't understand why the fuck they insisted on singing so many songs in the original key towards the end of Oasis. Take it as low as it needs for Liam to sound listenable ffs.
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Post by draper on Mar 23, 2017 6:51:50 GMT -5
I agree, rather have a lower key than original where Liam can't handle the notes.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Mar 23, 2017 7:13:53 GMT -5
Honestly, i think the best possible option for Liam right now would be to actually finally release a decent, fresh solid album with recognisable, strong songs and rather stick to that than trying to please everybody with including half of Be Here Now in the setlist.
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Post by underneaththesky on Mar 23, 2017 8:44:36 GMT -5
MAD FERRET
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Mar 23, 2017 8:54:32 GMT -5
I think lowering them just half a step would have done the world of good. To be fair, i bet 90% of the audience would barely realise.
I often wondered why they didn't, surely it must have crossed their minds as a sensible option. The only reason i can think is maybe Noel and co. were against tuning their guitars down to Eb. You could say you can transpose it with the capo further up the neck like they did with Some Might Say, but that wouldn't work for every song because essentially you would be playing in a different octave, so songs like Cigarettes and Alcohol and plenty of other songs would be out of the question and sound ridiculous. I think they knocked D'You Know What I Mean down a half step too but that's just a case of capo 1st fret, job done.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 9:11:23 GMT -5
Honestly, i think the best possible option for Liam right now would be to actually finally release a decent, fresh solid album with recognisable, strong songs and rather stick to that than trying to please everybody with including half of Be Here Now in the setlist. I dont think Liams ever really going to get people through the door purely for his solo stuff on a big level, even Noel whos a stronger songwriter etc likely doesnt get a good portion of his crowds through the door for his solo tunes, a lot of people are there for the oasis stuff, hes past his "golden era" so to speak, his solo stuff is good but it wont reach that nostalgic level of greatness that the oasis stuff stirs in people. much like richard ashcroft saying he wants to be the biggest solo act around, it just isnt going to happen, his time has come and gone. thats not to say he cant create music of good quality to not have 3/4 of the setlist being oasis but theres always going to be people who just want that.
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Post by freddy838 on Mar 23, 2017 9:40:57 GMT -5
It'll be a difficult balancing act for his band, surely Liam must have ideas as to what songs he wants to play but will anyone say 'that sounds shite, we need to do it like this' etc?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 10:07:17 GMT -5
I think lowering them just half a step would have done the world of good. To be fair, i bet 90% of the audience would barely realise. I often wondered why they didn't, surely it must have crossed their minds as a sensible option. The only reason i can think is maybe Noel and co. were against tuning their guitars down to Eb. You could say you can transpose it with the capo further up the neck like they did with Some Might Say, but that wouldn't work for every song because essentially you would be playing in a different octave, so songs like Cigarettes and Alcohol and plenty of other songs would be out of the question and sound ridiculous. I think they knocked D'You Know What I Mean down a half step too but that's just a case of capo 1st fret, job done. These days Noel writes every song with the capo on 10.
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Mar 23, 2017 10:41:06 GMT -5
I think lowering them just half a step would have done the world of good. To be fair, i bet 90% of the audience would barely realise. I often wondered why they didn't, surely it must have crossed their minds as a sensible option. The only reason i can think is maybe Noel and co. were against tuning their guitars down to Eb. You could say you can transpose it with the capo further up the neck like they did with Some Might Say, but that wouldn't work for every song because essentially you would be playing in a different octave, so songs like Cigarettes and Alcohol and plenty of other songs would be out of the question and sound ridiculous. I think they knocked D'You Know What I Mean down a half step too but that's just a case of capo 1st fret, job done. These days Noel writes every song with the capo on 10. Yeah, but imagine playing Cigarettes and Alcohol without the riff being played on the lower strings, it would sound rubbish.
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Post by spaneli on Mar 23, 2017 10:45:27 GMT -5
These days Noel writes every song with the capo on 10. Yeah, but imagine playing Cigarettes and Alcohol without the riff being played on the lower strings, it would sound rubbish. This. Lowering the key should be on a case-by-case basis. Not every song can have its key lowered and still sound good. It's not really a magic bullet option.
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Post by northernsky on Mar 23, 2017 15:02:21 GMT -5
These days, Liam should rarely, if ever, attempt hitting any notes higher than the E note you get on the open 1st string of a guitar. Even on a good night from the last decade, trying to hit the F, F#, or G note right above that turns him into Kermit instantly. If he could adjust or avoid songs to keep in that boundary he'd do himself a world of good.
But this is Liam we're talking about. I can't imagine him putting that much care into what he's doing. Or even admitting that he needs to.
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Post by Jgrp on Mar 23, 2017 16:41:44 GMT -5
Of course it's ok! Songs that have an infamous intro like Supersonic, cig&alc etc need to be avoided but other than that go for it
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Post by spud on Mar 23, 2017 18:49:51 GMT -5
Yeah, but imagine playing Cigarettes and Alcohol without the riff being played on the lower strings, it would sound rubbish. This. Lowering the key should be on a case-by-case basis. Not every song can have its key lowered and still sound good. Yes it can
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 19:01:03 GMT -5
There's no other option-he simply can't sing them in the original keys anymore. If I were advising him, I'd suggest apart from the untouchables (eg, RNR Star) to re-work/re-cast some of the tunes--an acoustic version of All Around the World, a complete re-think of Rockin Chair. These are great songs that will survive the transformation, and if he just plays the same arrangements in a lower key, they are inevitably going to just sound like tinny, pale versions of the originals. this is a great idea. i've always thought liam has had an easier time whenever singing acoustically anyway. i think an acoustic version of aatw could really be great.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 19:26:01 GMT -5
It can sound absolutely majestic if done right:
(If that doesn't link can somebody post it? Thanks!)
Whenever I play most Oasis songs on guitar I have to drop the key half a step or move the capo up a bit. Liam's voice was a god like force of nature in the old days and later albums used studio tools and tricks to get him sounding good on really hard bits to sing like the Lyla/Turning/Keep The Dream Alive choruses etc. There's no shame in altering the songs a bit to fit his weathered but still brilliant voice.
I'd be all for this. It would be fucking awesome to hear new and different versions of some of the forgotten classics!
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Mar 24, 2017 1:24:51 GMT -5
He should do what Springsteen does: turn UP the keys (remember he is almost 70).
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Post by spud on Mar 26, 2017 7:02:34 GMT -5
The album title is actually Songs In A Lower Key.
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Post by emmaews on Mar 26, 2017 14:51:34 GMT -5
If liam wants to be successful he must sing oasis songs. Do you really think NG would be selling out arenas with his solo stuff? Noel sings his b sides as he always has. Champagne supernova sung by Noel is like a fart in the wind. Liam can sing any oasis song inthe right key a LG gig will be more like an oasis gig than NG could ever hope
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Post by shades on Mar 26, 2017 15:01:40 GMT -5
Like any singer that gets older, they may struggle to hit the notes they did when they were a lot younger, especially after years of caning it! There's no shame in adapting the music to your voice, what's the point of watching him struggling to sing the songs properly when he could get the band to go down a key & he'll sound a lot better & bw more confident, he's been angry at a lot of live shows & part of me believes that it's because he knows he can't sing like he wants to
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Post by justaroundmidnight on May 28, 2017 12:04:03 GMT -5
Wasn't there a recent interview where Liam says he refuses to lower the key on the Oasis songs? (even though he did so whilst in Oasis)
Songs such as Listen Up, Rocking Chair, and Slide Away rumoured for this tour - those songs were the top of his vocal range back in the day.
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Post by zogallagher on May 28, 2017 12:16:41 GMT -5
Wasn't there a recent interview where Liam says he refuses to lower the key on the Oasis songs? (even though he did so whilst in Oasis) Songs such as Listen Up, Rocking Chair, and Slide Away rumoured for this tour - those songs were the top of his vocal range back in the day. He said "Not sure. Some are hard to sing these days and I refuse to drop them a key ’cos they end up f**king grungy." But I believe what he was saying was that he refuses to lower the key on certain songs where a lower key simply doesn't fit..or sounds "grungy" haha. Plus, I think it's very unlikely that Liam could sing any of those songs you listed without dropping the key, like you said, they're among his most difficult. And I'm really bummed out that he'll leave "I Hope, I Think, I Know" out despite previously announcing it, it's perhaps my favorite BHN tune and I don't think it's any more difficult than some of the ones he's still doing. Oh well
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