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Post by My Big Name on Mar 21, 2017 15:46:34 GMT -5
I know which one will win easily but I was just interested to see everyone's reasoning behind their vote. The Stone Roses is my 3rd favourite album ever with every song being a killer (apart from Don't Stop) while as Second Coming has fantastic songs like Good Times, Love Spreads, Breaking Into Heaven, Tears, Driving South etc and has some mesmerizing playing but is slightly let down by shit like Daybreak and Your Star Will Shine.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 16:03:38 GMT -5
The Stone Roses is amazing, while Second Coming, bar a few moments, is average at best.
That debut is the reason why I consider The Stone Roses an important band and why they are one of my favourite bands ever (in a big top 25/30). Like The La's and The Sex Pistols, they said it all with this first album.
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Post by funhouse on Mar 21, 2017 17:14:43 GMT -5
It would be fun if you added the compilation 'Turns Into Stone' as well, which has some of their best tracks (Mersey Paradise, Fools Gold) and could really be seen as their second album imo.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Mar 21, 2017 17:19:59 GMT -5
I'm a big fan and defender of Second Coming, but their debut is one of the best albums of all time. One of those few collections of utterly perfect songs, in a perfect tracklist (except Don't Stop, but still).
Second Coming is still great - Tears, Ten Storey Love Song, Breaking into Heaven, Tightrope, Love Spreads, Driving South, Good Times, How Do You Sleep are all very good songs. It's not as unique an album though, and the bad songs are really bad.
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Post by matt on Mar 21, 2017 19:38:02 GMT -5
I'm going to sound like a right iconoclastic wanker, but I think that debut is vastly overrated. There's three duff tunes (Don't Stop, Elizabeth My Dear and Bye Bye Badman) to stop it really warranting it's behemoth status. Replace a few tunes with their b-sides and I would rate it way way higher. I think it's great melodic power pop but lyrically it's pretty mince. The tunes have swagger and ooze charisma but The Stone Roses just don't emotionally resonate deeper for me personally. For sure it captured a moment for millions that was before my time, so I'm massively out of sync. Because I missed that era, I just can't put it in my all time greatest albums list.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 6:01:04 GMT -5
Stone Roses is perfect album so of course it's the better one.
However, I think Second Coming has some incredible moments as well. Breaking Into Heaven is easily my top-5 Roses songs and many other songs in the album sound really good (apart from vocals) if you like blues rock. Tears sounds like Stairway To Heaven, Begging You is really energetic, Good Times, Daybreak and Driving South are great guitar wise, and Ten Storey Love Song and Love Spreads could be considered small hits.
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Post by dyouknowwhatimean97 on Mar 22, 2017 10:19:47 GMT -5
I prefer the debut album, but I don't understand why Second Coming get's so much flack. Some day John went a bit OTT on the guitar but I really like that it's very riff based and rocky.
Some feckin' great tunes on that record. My favourites Breaking Into Heaven, Driving South, Ten Story Love Song, Day Break, Tight Rope and Love Spreads.
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Post by arthurmorgan on Mar 22, 2017 10:55:27 GMT -5
I like their debut but it's far from being the greatest british album ever (unlike a certain music magazine once stated).
Second Coming (though still a decent record) made it clear that the band wasn't on a par with all the classic bands they were influenced by.
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Post by morning_rain on Mar 22, 2017 10:59:23 GMT -5
I don't get the hate for Don't Stop, it was one of my instant favourites the first time I listened the album. The only one I always skip is (Song For My) Sugar Spun Sister.
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Post by My Big Name on Mar 22, 2017 11:54:55 GMT -5
I don't get the hate for Don't Stop, it was one of my instant favourites the first time I listened the album. The only one I always skip is (Song For My) Sugar Spun Sister. It's literally just Waterfall backwards with a few extra vocal parts recorded and it's taking up a place on the album which other superior songs could've took like Standing Here, Going Down, Sally Cinnamon etc. |
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Post by beentherenow on Mar 22, 2017 11:57:47 GMT -5
I'm not as big a Stone Roses fan as I guess a lot of Oasis fans are, apart from their really early stuff (Colour My Life, Cloudburst etc) I don't think they sound that similar to be honest,
In saying that The Stone Roses is a much better album. I do like parts of the Second Coming like Breaking into Heaven, Tears, Begging You and Love Spreads but it also has some utter crap
I was just too young to remember the album being released but can you imagine waiting 5 years for that?? The disappointment would be epic. Makes the 2 years wait for Be Here Now seem trivial
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Post by harryg101 on Mar 22, 2017 13:38:22 GMT -5
Personally I prefer Second Coming because of the extra long intro which fades into breaking into heaven
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Mar 22, 2017 13:46:02 GMT -5
both are mint but for me its second coming,,ten storey love song,,tears and tightrope along with how do you sleep are amazing songs but then again IATR waterfall SBTD,,sugar spun sister also brilliant
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Post by joladella on Mar 22, 2017 14:35:32 GMT -5
Personally I prefer Second Coming because of the extra long intro which fades into breaking into heaven At the end of the day, I prefer Stone Roses, but I LOVE that intro! The first time I listened to it I was like "what the hell is that"? but it has really grown on me and is one of my favorite parts of that album now. |
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Post by scyhopath on Mar 22, 2017 17:22:38 GMT -5
"The Stone Roses" is the best album ever. EVER.
It has everything - the first three tunes are legendary, "Don't Stop" is a weird experiment that turned out well, "Elizabeth My Dear" is a pretty little folk song and "This Is The One" is a bloody stadium anthem.
Lest we forget "Fools Gold" that still lives on because even after all these years it sounds fresh as fåck.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Mar 22, 2017 17:39:26 GMT -5
The Stone Roses isn't even the best album released in 1989.
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Post by My Big Name on Mar 22, 2017 17:40:46 GMT -5
"The Stone Roses" is the best album ever. EVER. It has everything - the first three tunes are legendary, "Don't Stop" is a weird experiment that turned out well, "Elizabeth My Dear" is a pretty little folk song and "This Is The One" is a bloody stadium anthem. Lest we forget "Fools Gold" that still lives on because even after all these years it sounds fresh as fåck. Fools Gold wasn't on The Stone Roses it was a single/double A-Side released after the album came out. |
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Post by Manualex on Mar 22, 2017 18:17:11 GMT -5
"The Stone Roses" is the best album ever. EVER. It has everything - the first three tunes are legendary, "Don't Stop" is a weird experiment that turned out well, "Elizabeth My Dear" is a pretty little folk song and "This Is The One" is a bloody stadium anthem. Lest we forget "Fools Gold" that still lives on because even after all these years it sounds fresh as fåck. Fools Gold wasn't on The Stone Roses it was a single/double A-Side released after the album came out. And a bonus track in the us version of the album |
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Post by Headmaster on Mar 22, 2017 20:50:47 GMT -5
I don't get the hate for Don't Stop, it was one of my instant favourites the first time I listened the album. The only one I always skip is (Song For My) Sugar Spun Sister. At the time it sounded great, a bit modern, but over time you discover that it's Waterfall played in reverse and there were better b-sides to put in it's place. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Mar 22, 2017 23:46:56 GMT -5
The Stone Roses isn't even the best album released in 1989. I know most will either rank Disintegration or Doolittle as the best of that year, but my personal favorite was always this one:  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 0:51:46 GMT -5
Btw, I still remember one comment from youtube. Apparently some guys were at crowded bar and decided to put 'Foz' playing on the jukebox. And the funny thing is that they somehow put it playing on repeat and no one had any idea what was going on. I can imagine how funny that would've been.
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Post by harryg101 on Mar 23, 2017 14:19:24 GMT -5
Personally I prefer Second Coming because of the extra long intro which fades into breaking into heaven At the end of the day, I prefer Stone Roses, but I LOVE that intro! The first time I listened to it I was like "what the hell is that"? but it has really grown on me and is one of my favorite parts of that album now. It's probably my favourite intro to an album besides the intro to D'you Know What I Mean where the plane takes off. |
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Post by joladella on Mar 23, 2017 14:28:04 GMT -5
At the end of the day, I prefer Stone Roses, but I LOVE that intro! The first time I listened to it I was like "what the hell is that"? but it has really grown on me and is one of my favorite parts of that album now. It's probably my favourite intro to an album besides the intro to D'you Know What I Mean where the plane takes off. It's certainly something very different! In the best of ways. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 19:07:24 GMT -5
I'm a bit surprised some of you don't rank The Stone Roses debut a bit higher. Not me saying that it's the best British album of all the time but I do think it is a big classic, like The La's (I prefer the latter though). There are some absolute pop gems on it. Their biggest error was to go on after that effort when they should have felt it was the right time to stop. I think in these "Best British Albums ever" NME or all that nonsense lists, there are some albums way more overrated than "The Stone Roses" like for instance "Parklife" or even worse "Whatever People Say I'm...". But it's just my views on it  |
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Post by glider on Mar 23, 2017 19:28:40 GMT -5
The Stone Roses is my 2nd favorite album of all time ( A Storm In Heaven dethroned it). The album is responsible for broadening my musical horizons and opening me up to other genres outside of the alternative rock scene I had become a fan of over the years. I'll never forget the first time I heard 'This Is the One' and 'Resurrection' - those two songs are one of the biggest one two punches on an album EVER (as far as I'm concerned) . TITO: a rushing wave of psychedelic pop that shuffles with the quiet-loud melodic pattern that the Pixies pioneered. IATR: one of the best displays of instrumentation ever - every one nails their contribution to the track. Along with the trememdous b-sides of this era, the band at this point was incredible yet unfortunately was proven to be lightning in a bottle, never to be captured again. The album is simply a product of the right influences, the right producer, and the right creativity all at the right time. Because of their unfortunate setbacks (which many here seem to forget), Second Coming is nowhere near the stature of the debut. Second Coming isn't terrible and doesn't deserve the hate it gets. Songs like 'Begging You' are ahead of their time. The reason for many not caring to acknowledge Second Coming as anything is because it doesn't live up to its precedessor and wasn't going to anyway - the band was too far removed from their creative stride due to legal conflicts and terrible management decisions that kept them out of a studio at the wrong time when their creative juices began to flow even more. Along with the rise of Britpop in the UK with Blur and Oasis, the madchester scene was long dead. A true follow up to the first album, around 1991-92 would have been incredible. Then again, it's all just an overrated pile of shite right theyknowwhatimean ?  Honestly though yeah my thoughts on TSR is hinged on how important it was to my musical journey - it's not really the greatest British album ever like many music 'news' outlets herald it to be, and there's no denying it's a seminal one - just not an album for everyone (which happens with everybody). As for Second Coming, it's an album that you can take or leave - blues rock and alternative isn't everyone's cup of tea (I'm not exactly a Led Zeppelin or Guns 'n' Roses fan myself). The poppier and funkier moments on the album are highlights whereas Squire's Jimmy Page guitar work on some of the songs is hit and miss.
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