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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 19:40:02 GMT -5
problem with the lennon speech at the end of im outta time is you cant even hear it, like Noel said its just muffled gibberish, you cant even hear it so it might as well not be there, if you want to include a speech then at least make it audible, kind of makes me laugh that Noel noticed that yet they didnt change it, its not even like that for artistic reasons, you just cant hear it.other than that I quite like the studio version, it flows better than the demo or the live version. I believe there was an interview where someone told him that TBWTL sounded better with guitars than sitars, and Noel basically said, that it wasn't his song so he can't say too much. Basically saying that he didn't agree with a sitar sound either. I think the same could be said of I'm Outta Time. I guess you could say that if LAG dont have much of an input into what Noels songs sound like per say (though he did say in HFB that things he liked tended to get mixed out due to the democracy of the band) then Noel wont have much input into what LAG were doing but again its probably another reason why oasis felt disjointed after SOTSOG, seems very isolated without much crossing over between the band, they all had their own idea of what things should sound like and therefore you dont get a central focus. the live version of TBWTL is miles above the album version, its the only reason Id keep it on the album at all, the album version does nothing for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 19:43:37 GMT -5
As for I'm Outta Time, a really nice song but the Lennon vibes on the production grate massively - if I want Lennon pastiches I will just listen to Lennon. And then the vocal sample at the end comes on and the reaction is like..... Would have been preferable to have it stripped back - just an acoustic guitar and a piano. A bit like Lily Allen's version which I like. I'll vote for the underdog here and say Soldier On which is unfairly chucked in with the appalling second half of Dig Out Your Soul. That would have been a really great closer had the band not fucked up spectacularly with the previous three awful tracks. What it needed was a slew of massive songs towards the end culminating in a huge finale, thus making Soldier On the perfect 'epilogue' to the album (much like how Married With Children works as the epilogue to Definitely Maybe, because I regard Slide Away as the 'finale' of that album). Never liked "I'm Outta Time" tbh. Cheesy melody, cheesy production. And a Lennon's pastiche, as you said. Easily prefer "Soldier On", much more original and with a good production. Actually, the latter might be one of my favs on DOYS. It's not a masterpiece by any means, but it's got a great bassline, a great atmosphere. I would rank it rather high in Liam's best tunes. His best is still "Songbird", imo.
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Post by spaneli on Jan 26, 2017 20:03:32 GMT -5
As for I'm Outta Time, a really nice song but the Lennon vibes on the production grate massively - if I want Lennon pastiches I will just listen to Lennon. And then the vocal sample at the end comes on and the reaction is like..... Would have been preferable to have it stripped back - just an acoustic guitar and a piano. A bit like Lily Allen's version which I like. I'll vote for the underdog here and say Soldier On which is unfairly chucked in with the appalling second half of Dig Out Your Soul. That would have been a really great closer had the band not fucked up spectacularly with the previous three awful tracks. What it needed was a slew of massive songs towards the end culminating in a huge finale, thus making Soldier On the perfect 'epilogue' to the album (much like how Married With Children works as the epilogue to Definitely Maybe, because I regard Slide Away as the 'finale' of that album). Never liked "I'm Outta Time" tbh. Cheesy melody, cheesy production. And a Lennon's pastiche, as you said. Easily prefer "Soldier On", much more original and with a good production. Actually, the latter might be one of my favs on DOYS. It's not a masterpiece by any means, but it's got a great bassline, a great atmosphere. I would rank it rather high in Liam's best tunes. His best is still "Songbird", imo. Honestly, that's when Liam's repeating a melody over-and-over again works. On stuff like Soldier On and Soul Love. Something that's atmospheric. Something that welcomes a blank canvas of a melody for different grooves, instrumentation, and interesting sounds to go over it. That's the type of album Liam should be making. Some laid back grooved atmospheric tracks. Because he's shown that he's typically not a great rock writer, and most of his acoustic stuff is banal Lennon rip-offs. But he's at his best when he gives good musicians and producers a chance to map over his blank work.
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Post by matt on Jan 26, 2017 20:11:11 GMT -5
As for I'm Outta Time, a really nice song but the Lennon vibes on the production grate massively - if I want Lennon pastiches I will just listen to Lennon. And then the vocal sample at the end comes on and the reaction is like..... Would have been preferable to have it stripped back - just an acoustic guitar and a piano. A bit like Lily Allen's version which I like. I'll vote for the underdog here and say Soldier On which is unfairly chucked in with the appalling second half of Dig Out Your Soul. That would have been a really great closer had the band not fucked up spectacularly with the previous three awful tracks. What it needed was a slew of massive songs towards the end culminating in a huge finale, thus making Soldier On the perfect 'epilogue' to the album (much like how Married With Children works as the epilogue to Definitely Maybe, because I regard Slide Away as the 'finale' of that album). For me, Solider On is a far superior song to Boy with the Blues. Quite honestly, Boy with the Blues is boring. The lyrics are okay. The solo is okay. The structure is like most Liam songs, let's find a decent melodic drive and repeat it to death. It's everything that can go wrong with his songwriting. It's a severely and massively overrated song. And it was exactly the type of song that Oasis shouldn't have been doing anymore. I agree, it's completely unfinished. It was hyped as some sort of anthemic gospel like tune, even mooted as a stand alone single. Its just an idea that was never expanded upon.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 26, 2017 20:53:47 GMT -5
It sounds like it's at least finished. Most of Liam's songs don't. And his vocal is strong. Which by 2008, was no longer something you took for granted.What do you think of his general DOYS performance? By far his best since Shoulder of Giants I think. Yeah, I've always liked it too. Him singing certain songs in quite a restrained manner was a nice way to go on that record that was (at least as far as Noel's songs went) trying to go for a more textured sound and feel than any Oasis records (barring, perhaps, SOTSOG) had had before. If he'd sung, say, the verses to The Turning, or Soldier On, in any other way to what he did (i.e. as he normally would do with most songs that come his way - really loud and through his throat), it wouldn't've sounded right, I don't think. Probably it was born out of necessity (or Liam just wanting to ape 1967-era Lennon), but for me it worked well for the tunes he got to sing in those sessions. And I think it's absolutely the way he should go in the future, now that his voice seems to have lost even more of its former edge and power in recent years.
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Post by matt on Jan 26, 2017 21:37:13 GMT -5
What do you think of his general DOYS performance? By far his best since Shoulder of Giants I think. Yeah, I've always liked it too. Him singing certain songs in quite a restrained manner was a nice way to go on that record that was (at least as far as Noel's songs went) trying to go for a more textured sound and feel than any Oasis records (barring, perhaps, SOTSOG) had had before. If he'd sung, say, the verses to The Turning, or Soldier On, in any other way to what he did (i.e. as he normally would do with most songs that come his way - really loud and through his throat), it wouldn't've sounded right, I don't think. Probably it was born out of necessity (or Liam just wanting to ape 1967-era Lennon), but for me it worked well for the tunes he got to sing in those sessions. And I think it's absolutely the way he should go in the future, now that his voice seems to have lost even more of its former edge and power in recent years. That's acatually a good point about his restrained nature that I never realised - that's arguably why the album is regarded by many as more moody than usual. For all Noel's jibes that 'he can't sing anymore', that maybe says more about Noel's lack of ability to write a song to suit a new vocal style for Liam. That reminds me of Bono who shredded his vocal chords in the late 80s basically through being very loud and over exerting his voice like Liam - the stylistic change U2 took in the 90s wasn't just for artistic reasons but was necessary to cope with Bono's damaged voice, and as a result, they made darker albums where his vocals are much more restrained and almost murmur like. Same goes for Thom Yorke, the days of writing heavy Bends era tunes are over. Liam's still got a great voice. Whether it's restrained and moody or going hell for leather, he can still nail it on record, but instead of the usual exuberant anthems straining his voice perhaps he could do with a stylistic change with the actual songs that would get the best out of his current voice.
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