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Post by NYR on Feb 6, 2017 17:56:29 GMT -5
Weller, hands down. Marr's the better guitarist, but Weller has the songs and the voice.
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Post by steve020409 on Feb 8, 2017 1:09:06 GMT -5
Weller could be the greatest British songwriter ever so yeah, Weller. no doubt about it, weller is one of the greats, but that is quite a statement you made there. Most of the greatest songwriters ARE British, so considering Weller to be the greatest might cause a little debate. I honestly can't think of a great American songwriter right now. Maybe Izzy Stradlin? 😅 |
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Post by mimmihopps on Feb 8, 2017 3:27:01 GMT -5
no doubt about it, weller is one of the greats, but that is quite a statement you made there. Most of the greatest songwriters ARE British, so considering Well to be the greatest might cause a little debate. I honestly can't think of a great American songwriter right now. Maybe Izzy Stradlin? 😅 To name just a few: Lou Reed Patti Smith Tom Verlaine Matt Berninger (The National) They're all Americans. |
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Post by Doc Lobster on Feb 8, 2017 3:47:20 GMT -5
no doubt about it, weller is one of the greats, but that is quite a statement you made there. Most of the greatest songwriters ARE British, so considering Well to be the greatest might cause a little debate. I honestly can't think of a great American songwriter right now. Maybe Izzy Stradlin? 😅
Seriously? The list would be endless! All the blues, country, jazz, rock'n'roll and soul stuff, the Great Songbook, giants like Dylan, Zappa and Waits... It would take me ages to name them all!
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Post by Doc Lobster on Feb 8, 2017 3:51:16 GMT -5
As for the poll, Marr's contribution to music and guitar playing is enormous, but clearly Weller is the better and most significant songwriting and artist. The guy is just incredible.
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Post by godgimmesoul on Feb 8, 2017 3:51:45 GMT -5
Weller. Not even a contest.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 7:29:33 GMT -5
no doubt about it, weller is one of the greats, but that is quite a statement you made there. Most of the greatest songwriters ARE British, so considering Well to be the greatest might cause a little debate. I honestly can't think of a great American songwriter right now. Maybe Izzy Stradlin? 😅 bruce springsteen matt berninger glenn frey don henley dave grohl prince john mellencamp brandon flowers patti smith carole king johnny cash willie nelson robert lamm paul simon james taylor jennifer warnes and i'm pretty sure there are a bunch i forgot to mention. but i do agree with you, 'who is the greatest british songwriter?' would be quite a debate. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 8:25:57 GMT -5
Most of the greatest songwriters ARE British, so considering Well to be the greatest might cause a little debate. I honestly can't think of a great American songwriter right now. Maybe Izzy Stradlin? 😅 bruce springsteen matt berninger glenn frey don henley dave grohl prince john mellencamp brandon flowers patti smith carole king johnny cash willie nelson robert lamm paul simon james taylor jennifer warnes and i'm pretty sure there are a bunch i forgot to mention. but i do agree with you, 'who is the greatest british songwriter?' would be quite a debate. adding tom petty and bob dylan to my list above. how did i forget the two of them?  stevie nicks and stevie wonder as well. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Feb 8, 2017 9:03:43 GMT -5
Most of the greatest songwriters ARE British, so considering Well to be the greatest might cause a little debate. I honestly can't think of a great American songwriter right now. Maybe Izzy Stradlin? 😅
matt berninger
glenn frey
don henley
dave grohl
prince
john mellencamp
brandon flowers
patti smith
carole king
johnny cash
willie nelson
robert lamm
paul simon
james taylor
jennifer warnesand i'm pretty sure there are a bunch i forgot to mention. but i do agree with you, 'who is the greatest british songwriter?' would be quite a debate. Is this a list of all the people you think are better songwriters than Weller, or just of good ones that aren't British? Because if it's the former...Brandon Flowers better than Paul Weller? Nah, I'm not having that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 9:08:24 GMT -5
bruce springsteen
matt berninger
glenn frey
don henley
dave grohl
prince
john mellencamp
brandon flowers
patti smith
carole king
johnny cash
willie nelson
robert lamm
paul simon
james taylor
jennifer warnesand i'm pretty sure there are a bunch i forgot to mention. but i do agree with you, 'who is the greatest british songwriter?' would be quite a debate. Is this a list of all the people you think are better songwriters than Weller, or just of good ones that aren't British? Because if it's the former...Brandon Flowers better than Paul Weller? Nah, I'm not having that. it's a list of artists i consider to be good/great american songwriters. wasn't at all comparing them to british songwriters and not saying they were better than anybody else. but the other guy said he couldn't think of ONE great american songwriter? come on man. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 10:39:46 GMT -5
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Post by steve020409 on Feb 8, 2017 11:03:07 GMT -5
Is this a list of all the people you think are better songwriters than Weller, or just of good ones that aren't British? Because if it's the former...Brandon Flowers better than Paul Weller? Nah, I'm not having that. it's a list of artists i consider to be good/great american songwriters. wasn't at all comparing them to british songwriters and not saying they were better than anybody else. but the other guy said he couldn't think of ONE great american songwriter? come on man. Yeah I couldn't think of one at the moment because I was like falling asleep. But really, except for writers like Bruce Springsteen and Johny Cash, I would debate on whether they're one of the greatest writers of all time. Maybe I'm biased, but I think people like Prince are not the greatest writers. But what Americans are good at is composing and rearranging classical music. Like modern classical. |
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Post by steve020409 on Feb 8, 2017 11:06:35 GMT -5
I honeslty should be ashamed because I didn't remember Johnny Cash, Bruce Springsteen, and Bob Dylan. Oh yeah I love Dave Grohl too, but I don't think he is one of the greatest. People like him are like right above of Izzy Stradlin
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 9, 2017 3:07:35 GMT -5
The greatest British songwriter ever?
Pfff. Don't be daft.
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Post by eder on Feb 9, 2017 3:12:48 GMT -5
As a solo artist and songwriter, Weller is in a different league to Marr. Its not even close. Weller has written so many classics throughout his career and he had a superb voice. Marr can't sing very well at all...
But if we include Marr's songwriting in the smiths ( and i will do because he wrote the music on his own) then i vote for Marr..his smiths work is a masterclass in rhythm guitar playing ( but its much more than just rhythm playing)
I have been playing guitar all my life and have learned the works of many great guitarists - page, Squire, butler, coxon, grunge artists, rock bands etc solos and all - and marr is the most difficult to master. Not only is his playing intricate and fast it is beautiful on the ears.
Every smiths song is a layered musical masterpiece. Marrs guitar spoke to me more than morrisseys words did.
So as much as i love Weller - Marr wins this for me for his playing and songwriting in the smiths..
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Feb 9, 2017 5:04:45 GMT -5
The greatest British songwriter ever? Pfff. Don't be daft. If you're referring to tomlivesforever's post, he said Weller could be the greatest British songwriter ever. Not that he definitely is. I took that to mean Weller has the potential to be, because of his constant changing it up, still being great long after his 'peak' form has expired, etc. If that is what tom was saying, I can see where he's coming from. If not, no, I don't agree either. But still, the man has racked up a mightily impressive back catalogue now. And the form he's been on since he turned 50... Puts our Noel to shame, that's for sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 12:26:13 GMT -5
it's a list of artists i consider to be good/great american songwriters. wasn't at all comparing them to british songwriters and not saying they were better than anybody else. but the other guy said he couldn't think of ONE great american songwriter? come on man. Yeah I couldn't think of one at the moment because I was like falling asleep. But really, except for writers like Bruce Springsteen and Johny Cash, I would debate on whether they're one of the greatest writers of all time. Maybe I'm biased, but I think people like Prince are not the greatest writers. But what Americans are good at is composing and rearranging classical music. Like modern classical. please don't think i'm singling you out, or attacking you, just trying to have a spirited debate and i find this a most interesting discussion  but you don't think prince was a great songwriter? i mean, i totally get and respect the fact that his style of music might not be your cup of tea, but wow, really? that blows my mind. |
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Post by steve020409 on Feb 9, 2017 13:25:28 GMT -5
Yeah I couldn't think of one at the moment because I was like falling asleep. But really, except for writers like Bruce Springsteen and Johny Cash, I would debate on whether they're one of the greatest writers of all time. Maybe I'm biased, but I think people like Prince are not the greatest writers. But what Americans are good at is composing and rearranging classical music. Like modern classical. please don't think i'm singling you out, or attacking you, just trying to have a spirited debate and i find this a most interesting discussion but you don't think prince was a great songwriter? i mean, i totally get and respect the fact that his style of music might not be your cup of tea, but wow, really? that blows my mind. Many people find him to be a great songwriter and not a great guitarist. I think he is an underrated guitarist, but I don't like his songs a lot. I honestly don't get why purple rain is so famous. I think the melody could be so much better, something like the chorus of Black Hole Sun. I guess he is a great songwriter in the sense of composing music structure and making guitar riffs. But I wouldn't say he is one of the greatest melody writers. |
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