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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 30, 2016 14:53:48 GMT -5
But as you say they were not a big thing in america (especially compared to the UK). I watched Supersonic again today and the story about Japan and the US after in 94 is just strange and must have been hard to handle for them. Definitely agree there- During my time I saw bands like Hurricane #1 and a boy band called Ouch! ((IIRC) go to Japan, receive absolute adulation, coverage then sell virtually nothing with a release. The difference here was Oasis had all that and sold a lot of records in Japan, going platinum for 200,000 sales of 'Definitely Maybe' and playing well received gigs with the promise of bigger and better venues in the future looking likely even at the time. Going from that to the USA where the attitude was very much "who are you?" combined with day after day travelling in such a vast country trying to establish yourself to disinterested media and only a small amount of people by comparison who actually 'got' your music must have been crushing to deal with at times. I have said before I can see why Marcus Russell initially based his US plans for the band on Led Zeppelin, but the difference for me is Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones were seasoned industry professionals with two enthusiastic cohorts in Robert Plant and John Bonham, and crucially they had zero credibility or respect for their music initially at least in their native UK so had not had to readjust from all conquering heroes to 'just another band'.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 15:12:00 GMT -5
I was at those U2/Oasis gigs in Oakland. Whatever the purpose of opening up for U2 was, believe me, it did them no good. Nobody in the crowd gave two shits about Oasis. I was the biggest Oasis fan on the planet back then, and even I can say U2 blew them off the stage those two nights, quite easily.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 15:36:27 GMT -5
I was at those U2/Oasis gigs in Oakland. Whatever the purpose of opening up for U2 was, believe me, it did them no good. Nobody in the crowd gave two shits about Oasis. I was the biggest Oasis fan on the planet back then, and even I can say U2 blew them off the stage those two nights, quite easily. I could expect that though because the crowd was there to see U2, you got a 100% approval rating there while oasis wasnt as well known amongst the american crowds then youve got a mix of people either liking them or not liking them. Most people probably would rather leave out support acts, youve paid to see a band, your not really going to be all that bothered about another band playing a set unless your really into them as well for example Ive heard enough about how long a day knebworth was for the fans, bet most of them wouldve rather gone, seen oasis then gone home.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 30, 2016 16:35:03 GMT -5
I was at those U2/Oasis gigs in Oakland. Whatever the purpose of opening up for U2 was, believe me, it did them no good. Nobody in the crowd gave two shits about Oasis. I was the biggest Oasis fan on the planet back then, and even I can say U2 blew them off the stage those two nights, quite easily. I think those PopMart Tour support dates might also have given Noel his ideas regarding a stage set to try and further Oasis with the release of 'Be Here Now'. Unfortunately as the man himself admitted to 'Time Out' Magazine in Hong Kong in 2008 instead of getting a professional designer he did it himself with a few other people which I presume was the band and maybe crew at a table whilst doing cocaine So from that perspective I would say you are probably right in that it did them no favours, regardless of as you say the lack of interest from the audience.
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Post by Rolo on Dec 30, 2016 16:45:50 GMT -5
Very interesting write up bastardnumber1. Thanks very much for taking the time to do it. I'm so excited for the start of the album build.
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Post by mimmihopps on Dec 31, 2016 5:04:54 GMT -5
Thank you very much for taking the time to share the interview with us, bastardnumber1. Really appreciate it. 2017 will be a better and active year for Liam because he belongs to studio and stage.
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Post by Didi on Dec 31, 2016 7:36:02 GMT -5
thanks a lot bastardnumber1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 9:30:45 GMT -5
I really hope he will play some rare Oasis songs. I think just like Noel (or 99% of the artists) he will play what the majority of the crowd will hear. This forum will love it he if he played Cloudburst, Alive or My Sister Lover, but I don't think most of the Oasis fans want to hear Wonderwall, Champagne Supernova and Don't Look Back in Anger.
U2 will probably play entire Joshua Tree album including Red Hill Mining Town, which was always too hard to sing for Bono, even in the 80's. This give me hope for Liam to play songs like Some Might Say, Listen Up or Fade In-Out in a reworked version. My Big Mouth sounded alright on their last tour, and I think it would have been better if Liam was mad fer it on that last tour, which let's be honest, he (and Oasis) wasn't.
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Post by bastardnumber1 on Dec 31, 2016 9:41:29 GMT -5
I really hope he will play some rare Oasis songs. I think just like Noel (or 99% of the artists) he will play what the majority of the crowd will hear. This forum will love it he if he played Cloudburst, Alive or My Sister Lover, but I don't think most of the Oasis fans want to hear Wonderwall, Champagne Supernova and Don't Look Back in Anger. U2 will probably play entire Joshua Tree album including Red Hill Mining Town, which was always too hard to sing for Bono, even in the 80's. This give me hope for Liam to play songs like Some Might Say, Listen Up or Fade In-Out in a reworked version. My Big Mouth sounded alright on their last tour, and I think it would have been better if Liam was mad fer it on that last tour, which let's be honest, he (and Oasis) wasn't. I dont think he would play Cloudburst, Alive or My Sister Lover. I don´t think he even remembers those songs. But I would be happy with Columbia for example or Bring It On Down. BHN songs...BOADC (I love that song). There´s so much he can choose from and even if it´s just one of the not so often played songs I´m happy with it. Important is that his own songs are good, live he can do a lot of things and people will love and hate it (best example this forum). I just hope he does well cause I think he fucking earned it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 9:43:05 GMT -5
I really hope he will play some rare Oasis songs. I think just like Noel (or 99% of the artists) he will play what the majority of the crowd will hear. This forum will love it he if he played Cloudburst, Alive or My Sister Lover, but I don't think most of the Oasis fans want to hear Wonderwall, Champagne Supernova and Don't Look Back in Anger. U2 will probably play entire Joshua Tree album including Red Hill Mining Town, which was always too hard to sing for Bono, even in the 80's. This give me hope for Liam to play songs like Some Might Say, Listen Up or Fade In-Out in a reworked version. My Big Mouth sounded alright on their last tour, and I think it would have been better if Liam was mad fer it on that last tour, which let's be honest, he (and Oasis) wasn't. I have my doubts that he will really play a lot of lesser known stuff, they said in beady eye that they were thinking about playing songs like rockin chair, boy with the blues, hung in a bad place but they never deviated from the standard hits, I can see Liam following a Noel template of playing mostly a half and half setlist of new songs and oasis more known tracks which is probably best from a success standpoint, will get the oasis casuals through the door, maybe throw in the odd Liam written beady eye track which removes songs like roller, FOTF, FLW if he doesnt want to pay money to Gem and andy for use (though I can see Liam leaving out beady eye completely tbh).
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Post by joladella on Dec 31, 2016 9:56:45 GMT -5
As for paying Gem and Andy for Beady Eye songs, they shared song credits for all songs, didn't they? Because, as they said, one brought the song in, but they all worked together to finish it. So technically each of them would have to pay each of the other two or however that works. Thank you very much for the latest shared information bastardnumber1 !
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Post by Rolo on Dec 31, 2016 9:59:32 GMT -5
Do you know when the first single will be released bastardnumber1? I know you aren't allowed to say when it will be but it'd be cool if you actually knew the time frame.
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Post by bastardnumber1 on Dec 31, 2016 10:02:30 GMT -5
I really hope he will play some rare Oasis songs. I think just like Noel (or 99% of the artists) he will play what the majority of the crowd will hear. This forum will love it he if he played Cloudburst, Alive or My Sister Lover, but I don't think most of the Oasis fans want to hear Wonderwall, Champagne Supernova and Don't Look Back in Anger. U2 will probably play entire Joshua Tree album including Red Hill Mining Town, which was always too hard to sing for Bono, even in the 80's. This give me hope for Liam to play songs like Some Might Say, Listen Up or Fade In-Out in a reworked version. My Big Mouth sounded alright on their last tour, and I think it would have been better if Liam was mad fer it on that last tour, which let's be honest, he (and Oasis) wasn't. I have my doubts that he will really play a lot of lesser known stuff, they said in beady eye that they were thinking about playing songs like rockin chair, boy with the blues, hung in a bad place but they never deviated from the standard hits, I can see Liam following a Noel template of playing mostly a half and half setlist of new songs and oasis more known tracks which is probably best from a success standpoint, will get the oasis casuals through the door, maybe throw in the odd Liam written beady eye track which removes songs like roller, FOTF, FLW if he doesnt want to pay money to Gem and andy for use (though I can see Liam leaving out beady eye completely tbh). He won´t do the 50/50 thing. And this is a good thing in my opinion. And sure he will do some of the well known tunes. If Noel wouldn´t do them 50% of the people wouldn´t come to his gigs. I just think Liam has a real hard time now. He is not a songwriter like Noel and his voice is no 90s anymore, but everyone still expects this (just look at all the discussions here all the time). But I think that he plays it a lot smarter this time with having probably a lot more people in the backround. So his live voice still won´t be 90s and everyone sitting at home watching youtube videos and then posting "Liam is a douche" should have fun. But I think people here should respect his work a little more. Not saying they should like his music, you can´t force someone to that, but in my opinion his effort should be recognized. He knows this might be the last time to go big and at the end it´s not Oasis or NG written songs. So let´s bring 2017
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Post by bastardnumber1 on Dec 31, 2016 10:04:02 GMT -5
Do you know when the first single will be released bastardnumber1 ? I know you aren't allowed to say when it will be but it'd be cool if you actually knew the time frame. There´s an actual date already. Could still move a bit though. As said already we should get a lot more official stuff soon.
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Post by Rolo on Dec 31, 2016 10:49:26 GMT -5
Do you know when the first single will be released bastardnumber1 ? I know you aren't allowed to say when it will be but it'd be cool if you actually knew the time frame. There´s an actual date already. Could still move a bit though. As said already we should get a lot more official stuff soon. Get in! Crazy how fast this has all moved, Liam must of been a lot further along than he let on when he was getting interviewed around the time of Supersonic coming out, I'm sure he was saying he was only at the demoing stage. Guessing we will get a website launch soon or something.
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Post by elroymeltzer on Dec 31, 2016 12:22:54 GMT -5
As for paying Gem and Andy for Beady Eye songs, they shared song credits for all songs, didn't they? Because, as they said, one brought the song in, but they all worked together to finish it. So technically each of them would have to pay each of the other two or however that works. Thank you very much for the latest shared information bastardnumber1 ! Musicians are NEVER responsible for paying performance royalties. NEVER. For live performances, the venue is responsible for paying song royalties to the songwriters and their assignees who may or may not be the group you associate the song with. The local PRO(performing rights organization) police the situation and theoretically distribute the royalties to the rightful copyright owners. Venue(s) will either pay an annualized flat fee for use of copyrighted music or a percentage of concert gross, in both cases for a blanket license.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 31, 2016 12:44:35 GMT -5
Liams future then... well I can´t tell a lot about it yet. I actually thought there will be some more festival announcements this week but looks like no. All I can say is that in my opinion it will be advertised more and there is a lot more thinking behind it than the Beady Eye stuff (from what I can say at least). From what I heard so far this will be a really great album. Not the repetitive stuff we know. More than Liam plus an acoustic guitar. His voice is magical (believe it or not). He is still mad fer it Live I already wrote he will do Oasis songs but not just the typical stuff (I fucking hope he sticks to that). Have a bit more patience and you all will be happy I think Great great stuff in your meeting/interviews. Really is. Can't wait to hear more. Superb information. Love all the DIV stuff. I really really REALLY wanted that to work out so badly back in 2003. Been bummed ever since....... Regarding his voice and songs I hope you are right. I really do. Just makes me wonder why this wasn't the case with Beady Eye. Surely he would have wanted his best foot forward and the band's for their debut efforts and beyond. So much riding on that with lackluster results. 2017 sounds promising with two Gallagher brother albums in the works. Onwards.
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Post by bastardnumber1 on Dec 31, 2016 12:51:59 GMT -5
Liams future then... well I can´t tell a lot about it yet. I actually thought there will be some more festival announcements this week but looks like no. All I can say is that in my opinion it will be advertised more and there is a lot more thinking behind it than the Beady Eye stuff (from what I can say at least). From what I heard so far this will be a really great album. Not the repetitive stuff we know. More than Liam plus an acoustic guitar. His voice is magical (believe it or not). He is still mad fer it Live I already wrote he will do Oasis songs but not just the typical stuff (I fucking hope he sticks to that). Have a bit more patience and you all will be happy I think Great great stuff in your meeting/interviews. Really is. Can't wait to hear more. Superb information. Love all the DIV stuff. I really really REALLY wanted that to work out so badly back in 2003. Been bummed ever since....... Regarding his voice and songs I hope you are right. I really do. Just makes me wonder why this wasn't the case with Beady Eye. Surely he would have wanted his best foot forward and the band's for their debut efforts and beyond. So much riding on that with lackluster results. 2017 sounds promising with two Gallagher brother albums in the works. Onwards. Thank you
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Post by Derrick on Dec 31, 2016 14:23:39 GMT -5
Thanks very much, bastardnumber1 ! I think it's safe to say that your questions for Liam (& his willingness to answer them) make this one of the best Oasis/Oasis-related interviews we will ever get! I really hope you'll be able to keep involved next year during the tour as you mentioned!
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Post by Regi on Dec 31, 2016 19:13:37 GMT -5
Thanks mate. You're a good bastard!
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Post by bastardnumber1 on Jan 1, 2017 7:54:46 GMT -5
I really hope you'll be able to keep involved next year during the tour as you mentioned! This should be decided in a few weeks. My girlfriend would be fine with it, not sure about my job yet though and I still don´t know exactly how they want this to be done and what exactly they expect me to do. But yeah, I would love being part of it in whatever way. I would have some ideas already how to do it but I don´t know what is possible and what not. But with or without me I think it´s a nice gesture for the fans to do something like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 9:27:09 GMT -5
So I wanted to write the whole day down but it´s just too much and also not that interesting when you haven´t been there I guess so I put it down to the stories by Liam and whatever I think was fun/interesting. First of all he was in a very good mood as we came to the pub, he even remembered my face, just didn´t know from where which was a huge honour for me. Then the other guy did the interview with him and he fucked it up as I told already and Liam seemed to get a bit annoyed and I was afraid he will leave right after. But as they were done and he left Liam came up to me and said „So what you want from me“ with a wink. I was really nervous, I mean I already met him and chatted a little with him but this was totally different for me. Beside that I never really did anything like that it was fucking Liam Gallagher, the guy who I actually stalk for years via youtube, forums and other media and probably know more uninteresting things about his life than he does himself. The good thing was he didn´t know that but the even better thing was that he saw I was nervous so he just ordered two pints for us and started chatting about everything and nothing. After a few minutes it was all fine so we started to talk more about music/Oasis/his stuff. We started with BHN cause it was just released and I didn´t really wanna talk about Supersonic, it was known anyway already. As already told Liam wasn´t involved in any of the Chasing The Sun releases but liked the idea of it. As I love BHN and the whole era I wanted to get at least one story that I haven´t read yet. And to my surprise he had a lot to talk about. Beginning with the recording and that he was proud to be able to record at Abbey Road although it turned out to be shit, ending that he is thankful nobody died back then cause of their lifestyle back then. So BHN: He said Abbey Road was all fine but it was more of a nostalgic thing to to. He loved being there listening to Beatles tunes but the rest was shit. He also was not in the right mood to sing properly and only tried 2 or 3 songs. He prefered Ridge Farm but loved the Air Studios recordings cause it was „all family“. As for the build up he said it was all too much and everyone around the band got too coked up. I asked him if there really was a meeting about the stage set as Noel said and he said yeah, but it didn´t last longer than 30 minutes. Someone just said put up what´s on the album cover and that´s it. But yeah he hated it being in that small Phone Box every night I asked about touring and what he can remember about it. HE said he hated to do the U2 gigs cause Oasis shouldn´t have been a support band at that time, no matter if it´s america or not. But they of course had a good time even then. He said he almost broke his foot during rehearsals for it cause he jumped off the stage. He remembers the Cardiff shows were great. Worst show for him was one of the US shows before they got to Japan because he was totally drunk, couldn´t even walk and fell a few times. I showed him the Lille footage and he said that was one of his better days and everything was cool About the end of the tour as said above he is glad everyone was alive. Even he thinks now that they overdid it at some points. Drinks and cocaine everywhere. But it was all worth it... The interesting thing for me was that he knew quite a lot about back then. Don´t wanna make him sound like an idiot but we all had black-outs and if I would have been him back then it would probably been a 5 year long black-out. As I didn´t really wanna talk about the DM/MG years as it´s all know pretty well now I just asked him about any hidden versions of songs sung by him like Sad Song and there still should be a lot around. Maybe not Noel sung songs (as already said he did Step Out and DLBIA but isn´t sure if they still exist) but there are for sure tons of other versions he did back then which are not released and „should be on the next re fucking issue“. Also there are demos, better said outtakes, from Liam starting to write songs back then which he still has apparently (And I´m working to get my hands on them or at least listen to them one day). The rest I already told I think about the Real People recording and the 92 TV thing. He just didn´t know a lot about it anymore. The next obvious thing was the time after BHN and Liam really got serious about it. Talking about that it was hard for him with Bonehad and Guigsy leaving cause they were his best mates then and he couldn´t think of doing it all with someone else. But Noel brought in Andy and Gem so it got alright. Still a lot changed for him back then. Noel changed a lot, a new band more or less, Noel and Liam had a lot of fights from the start on. Noel quitting the band wasn´t that bad actually from Liams point of view. He thinks Noel just wanted to prove a point so he had to prove his point that even Noel isn´t irreplaceble. At the end it was the same as always for him „just without Hitler telling everyone to shut up“ The next interesting thing to me was the DIV sessions. He said he loved what they did and thought it would have been a nice new direction but the songs were weak and Noel didn´t wanna go that way. They did 2 sessions, each around 8 songs (which is more than we know so far I think). The interesting thing is that Liam did vocals for all those songs, also for Mucky Fingers. But I will have more information on that next year I also asked about the end but Liam just said it´s all said and done and shit happens. Didn´t wanna ask more as it looked like he wasn´t too happy talking about it. We didn´t talk a lot about Beady Eye. Liam said he couldn´t just stop doing what he did for 20 years and the rest also wanted to keep on doing music. He thinks it was the right thing to do and he would do it again although it was nothing like Oasis anymore. He was disappointed that the second album didn´t do better though. Liams future then... well I can´t tell a lot about it yet. I actually thought there will be some more festival announcements this week but looks like no. All I can say is that in my opinion it will be advertised more and there is a lot more thinking behind it than the Beady Eye stuff (from what I can say at least). From what I heard so far this will be a really great album. Not the repetitive stuff we know. More than Liam plus an acoustic guitar. His voice is magical (believe it or not). He is still mad fer it Live I already wrote he will do Oasis songs but not just the typical stuff (I fucking hope he sticks to that). Have a bit more patience and you all will be happy I think This is not all we talked about and and as soon as I get any footage I upload everything including some funny stories. I had a great afternoon and night with the guy talking about every shit there is. He is just a really great and funny guy. One time we got out for a cig his phone rang so I went in. As he came back he looked pissed and I asked if everything is okay (thinking he had to leave) he just said „Yeah, just never get kids. They fuck your life up more than drugs can ever do“ As for the songs he sang, I´m uploding them them minute I have them. I already told him that I have to do that cause there´s too many people loving to hear this and he is all fine with that. If everything works out I can do some online-diary for his tour but this isn´t fixed yet, I still have to figure out some private/work things. So... thanks to Liam, I´ll send him the link to this so he might check it Happy New Year and if you have questions, I won´t answer them in the next few days this has to be one of the greatest posts in the history of the forum. well done V
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Post by jupi on Jan 1, 2017 15:21:59 GMT -5
So I wanted to write the whole day down but it´s just too much and also not that interesting when you haven´t been there I guess so I put it down to the stories by Liam and whatever I think was fun/interesting. -- So... thanks to Liam, I´ll send him the link to this so he might check it Happy New Year and if you have questions, I won´t answer them in the next few days this has to be one of the greatest posts in the history of the forum. well done V Agreed 110%! Massive thanks to bastardnumber1 for sharing your interview to fellow fans!! Highly appreciated effort!
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Post by GlastoEls on Jan 2, 2017 3:51:09 GMT -5
+1 !
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Post by morning_rain on Jan 2, 2017 8:21:34 GMT -5
Thanks so much for sharing! Every time you write on this thread I get excited.
I'd kill to get my hands on those DIV sessions (I know most people here hate that song but a Liam sung Mucky Fingers with his 2003 voice would be amazing to hear).
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