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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 5, 2016 15:56:06 GMT -5
I'd actually respect the band members more if one of they just straight up walked out and quit. Your move Jonny!
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Post by carlober on Oct 5, 2016 15:56:47 GMT -5
Well, that's just my opinion. I didn't mean to insult anybody, of course! I'm sorry, it was just this "I can't believe that many Kasabian fans loved it" that got my goat, when it surely was not meant the way it read. So, all good!  Still, you inspired me to put on 48:13 just now. Thanks for that!  Yeah, sorry, I realize that my post might have sounded a tad too harsh. Maybe it really is a tad too harsh, who knows... I still enjoy listening to many Kasabian tunes after all! And while I think that 48:13 is crap as a whole I think it is worth buying for the song Bow alone. Now that's a great tune and it pretty much sums up what I'd like Kasabian to be! Honorable mentions for Stevie and Treat (the second half is particularly brilliant) too. I'm gonna listen to those three tracks now, I'll leave the rest of the album to you  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 17:03:16 GMT -5
I still love the comment the band made that 48:13 was actually planned and they actually edited the album to get it down to that run time, I mean what the f*ck?
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Oct 6, 2016 4:37:25 GMT -5
Slayer have fallen in this trap for me, seems to be a Kerry King machine. o me, when Jeff died it was the end for me. They and theeir stupid fanboys see $$$$, I see a band past it (and not even Trejo can save them imo)
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 6, 2016 4:56:04 GMT -5
I usually think Coldplay are beyond remdemption - and I'm damn certain they'll never make another AROBTTH / VLV again - but then I think it was only two years ago that this was possible:
GHOST STORIES
1. Always in my Head
2. Magic
3. Ghost Story
4. All Your Friends
5. Midnight
6. Another's Arms
7. Oceans
8. Atlas
9. O
That's a pretty fucking good album, if some of the production had more life.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 5:56:17 GMT -5
Weird. I've listened to 48:13 only once and thought it has 3 good songs and rest of them are bad. Stevie, Bumblebee and eez-eh, those 3 I liked I don't remember Bow. I might have to listen to it again. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 6, 2016 8:14:23 GMT -5
I love eez-eh. But album is shit.
Everyone in pop/rock music are writing best albums in their 20s. After that, you will never have that big songs or albums. The best you can do is to choose the right direction, have good production, have great musicians playing on record, write good lyrics. But songwriting in pop/rock music will never be as good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 8:29:29 GMT -5
I love eez-eh. But album is shit.
Everyone in pop/rock music are writing best albums in their 20s. After that, you will never have that big songs or albums. The best you can do is to choose the right direction, have good production, have great musicians playing on record, write good lyrics. But songwriting in pop/rock music will never be as good. Gorillaz (Damon Albarn aged 37) in 2005, released Demon Days Mark Ronson, aged 39 in 2015, released Uptown Special Primal Scream (Bobby Gillespie aged 38) in 2000, released XTRMNTR Paul Weller turned 30 in 1988.... I know they're the exception, not the rule, but just saying they do exist |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 6, 2016 8:39:08 GMT -5
I love eez-eh. But album is shit.
Everyone in pop/rock music are writing best albums in their 20s. After that, you will never have that big songs or albums. The best you can do is to choose the right direction, have good production, have great musicians playing on record, write good lyrics. But songwriting in pop/rock music will never be as good. Gorillaz (Damon Albarn aged 37) in 2005, released Demon Days Mark Ronson, aged 39 in 2015, released Uptown Special Primal Scream (Bobby Gillespie aged 38) in 2000, released XTRMNTR Paul Weller turned 30 in 1988.... I know they're the exception, not the rule, but just saying they do exist Love those album but I think that those albums just confirms what I said. It's more about right direction, sound, production...than just pure songwriting. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 6, 2016 8:50:05 GMT -5
They are shallow and worse than that, total shit. I could accept it if they were shallow but good but they aren't. Two of the last three albums have been a total embarrassment the other a bland non entity. Fuck them and there obvious pursuit of popularity and fame. I read that in the voice of Malcolm Tucker. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 9:06:18 GMT -5
Gorillaz (Damon Albarn aged 37) in 2005, released Demon Days Mark Ronson, aged 39 in 2015, released Uptown Special Primal Scream (Bobby Gillespie aged 38) in 2000, released XTRMNTR Paul Weller turned 30 in 1988.... I know they're the exception, not the rule, but just saying they do exist Love those albums but I think that those albums just confirms what I said. It's more about right direction, sound, production...than just pure songwriting. See what you mean there, trying to imagine an acoustic version of XTRMNTR . In my opinion, production and choice of direction is a major part of songwriting. Maybe just because an album isn't easily translated to other genres (e.g. XTRMNTR), doesn't mean there isn't just a strong element of 'pure songwriting' as one that is (e.g. Definitely Maybe, WTSMG). Also, a lot of the best artists try to evolve that way after several years and albums of creating 'purer' songs, and so maybe it's not that they can't do it, but they choose not to. Country Girl - Primal Scream 2006 Would this be pure songwriting? |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 6, 2016 10:13:31 GMT -5
Well, yeah, we agree, it is just the matter of that term ''pure songwriting'' but that is really irellevant.
When I said pure songwriting I meant songs like Hey Jude, DLBIA, The Scientist...Paul, Noel and Chris will never write songs like that again but that doesn't mean that if they make albums like XTRMNTR or Demon Days that those albums or songs have less value.
So, I was just answering to the question of this thread and brought ''age'' question to this conversation. Can once great bands make great albums again? Yes, if they find right direction, sound, use all benefits that they have as great and rich bands and take great producer, great studio, great musician to collaborate with... If they try to write again big hits that they wrote 20 years ago then they will fail. Again.
edit- the thing that we don't agree is that you think is that maybe they can but don't want and I say that there is no way that Noel for example can write new DLBIA today. But I think that we can agree that anyway they shouldn't try to do that and move on.
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Post by matt on Oct 6, 2016 10:15:10 GMT -5
As low as Coldplay and Kasabian have got, they haven't come close to ever writing a song as putrid as Country Girl. Or Rocks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 10:21:18 GMT -5
Well, yeah, we agree, it is just the matter of that term ''pure songwriting'' but that is really irellevant. When I said pure songwriting I meant songs like Hey Jude, DLBIA, The Scientist...Paul, Noel and Chris will never write songs like that again but that doesn't mean that if they make albums like XTRMNTR or Demon Days that those albums or songs have less value. So, I was just answering to the question of this thread and brought ''age'' question to this conversation. Can once great bands make great albums again? Yes, if they find right direction, sound, use all benefits that they have as great and rich bands and take great producer, great studio, great musician to collaborate with... If they try to write again big hits that they wrote 20 years ago then they will fail. Again. Definitely, yeah, it's kinda like when you're new to making music, you can make whatever you want, no worries in the world, any style goes, but later on everything's going to be compared to the early stuff, probably makes it harder to make a great album that isn't easily tagged 'inferior copy'. More bands that can overcome that the better |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 10:24:48 GMT -5
edit- the thing that we don't agree is that you think is that maybe they can but don't want and I say that there is no way that Noel for example can write new DLBIA today. But I think that we can agree that anyway they shouldn't try to do that and move on. I agree there's no way he could/should make DLBIA pt.2, but that's because the bar's so high I mean it's Don't Look Back in Anger  If WTSMG was full of Hey Nows, maybe that would be more achievable though (still not that desirable though) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 10:25:56 GMT -5
Well, yeah, we agree, it is just the matter of that term ''pure songwriting'' but that is really irellevant. When I said pure songwriting I meant songs like Hey Jude, DLBIA, The Scientist...Paul, Noel and Chris will never write songs like that again but that doesn't mean that if they make albums like XTRMNTR or Demon Days that those albums or songs have less value. So, I was just answering to the question of this thread and brought ''age'' question to this conversation. Can once great bands make great albums again? Yes, if they find right direction, sound, use all benefits that they have as great and rich bands and take great producer, great studio, great musician to collaborate with... If they try to write again big hits that they wrote 20 years ago then they will fail. Again. edit- the thing that we don't agree is that you think is that maybe they can but don't want and I say that there is no way that Noel for example can write new DLBIA today. But I think that we can agree that anyway they shouldn't try to do that and move on. Luke Pritchard of the Kooks said this about Noel's songwriting: "He wrote all the songs before he became big. I mean, he still writes great tunes, but it's obviously going from being in Manchester to being a millionaire. I think it's all to do with the writing. You can't really write about having a shit time when you're living in a mansion." |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 10:41:37 GMT -5
As low as Coldplay and Kasabian have got, they haven't come close to ever writing a song as putrid as Country Girl. Or Rocks. Those ones are very marmite-y tbf... It's funny how those two songs are up there with their most well known yet are from their most critically slated albums. I've always seen Kasabian as a sort of attempt at a Primal Scream/Oasis crossover that loses what's great about either whenever they drift towards one or the other without trying to do their own thing (Club Foot is one of the few occasions where the formula works) [Also, Seek and Destroy? How does that beat Rocks?!] Coldplay I've kinda avoided, so can't comment, but they've never really clicked for me from the singles. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 6, 2016 10:51:58 GMT -5
Rocks is great IMO.
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Post by jordan71421 on Oct 6, 2016 12:31:07 GMT -5
Kings of Leon:
Aha Shake Heartbreak
Because of the Times
Youth and Young Manhood
Only by the Night
Mechanical Bull
Come Around Sundown
You can see that further down that list the safer the albums get, I still love them though
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Post by glider on Oct 6, 2016 14:07:02 GMT -5
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Oct 6, 2016 14:40:27 GMT -5
Imagine if Liam's new record would sound too mainstream.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 6, 2016 14:58:42 GMT -5
Kings of Leon suck
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Post by glider on Oct 6, 2016 16:23:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 16:33:31 GMT -5
Imagine if Liam's new record would sound too mainstream. Id prefer that over another 60s tribute act. |
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Post by jupi on Oct 7, 2016 2:59:02 GMT -5
Coldplay's Ghost Stories is one of my all time favourite records  Haven't bothered to listen to their latest album but personally I think they can still deliver if they want to. The sense of a good melody and a how to write a hook is still in there. |
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Haven't bothered to listen to their latest album but personally I think they can still deliver if they want to. The sense of a good melody and a how to write a hook is still in there.
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