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Post by NYR on Sept 8, 2016 7:33:32 GMT -5
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Post by NYR on Sept 8, 2016 7:42:26 GMT -5
people dont realise the amount of people it would require to pull off such a conspiracy to the point it would be totally impossible to pull off without someone talking about it or finding out about it. 1,000,000,000 times this. The FDNY and NYPD, on the most part, can't stand each other and fight constantly over who is in charge of a situation. Now imagine not just the FDNY and NYPD working in perfect harmony rather than fighting for control, but the CIA, Air Force, NSA, FBI, Secret Service, and the Army as well. Because of this, there would have been plenty of people who would have needed to know about this plan—people outside the Situation Room. Don't you think at least one of them would have had the conscience to leak something like this to the press before September 11? Info of top security is leaked to the press plenty enough as it is, so it wouldn't be so out of the question. But nooooooo, these conspiratards can't believe it was just a bunch of pissed off Muslim extremists who went to flight school and learned how to take advantage of our airport security theater. Also, as someone whose father was a 9/11 first responder and died from 9/11-related illness, I'd like to ask The-Ghost-Dancer one question: would you like to trade places, asshole?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 7:45:02 GMT -5
He's fun. Still should have closed the thread though.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 8, 2016 8:04:00 GMT -5
people dont realise the amount of people it would require to pull off such a conspiracy to the point it would be totally impossible to pull off without someone talking about it or finding out about it. But nooooooo, these conspiratards can't believe it was just a bunch of pissed off Muslim extremists who went to flight school and learned how to take advantage of our airport security theater. This. I think it happens at a subconscious level, but to some people it's less scary to think that our own government attacked us compared to a handful of thugs living in a cave in some third world country. The realization that there are people hell bent on destroying our civilization scares them into such conspiracies.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Sept 8, 2016 8:31:23 GMT -5
people dont realise the amount of people it would require to pull off such a conspiracy to the point it would be totally impossible to pull off without someone talking about it or finding out about it. 1,000,000,000 times this. The FDNY and NYPD, on the most part, can't stand each other and fight constantly over who is in charge of a situation. Now imagine not just the FDNY and NYPD working in perfect harmony rather than fighting for control, but the CIA, Air Force, NSA, FBI, Secret Service, and the Army as well. Because of this, there would have been plenty of people who would have needed to know about this plan—people outside the Situation Room. Don't you think at least one of them would have had the conscience to leak something like this to the press before September 11? Info of top security is leaked to the press plenty enough as it is, so it wouldn't be so out of the question. But nooooooo, these conspiratards can't believe it was just a bunch of pissed off Muslim extremists who went to flight school and learned how to take advantage of our airport security theater. Also, as someone whose father was a 9/11 first responder and died from 9/11-related illness, I'd like to ask The-Ghost-Dancer one question: would you like to trade places, asshole? NYR im sorry you lost your dad mate im sorry if you dont agree with my opinions on 9/11 i just think theres more to it than meets the eye just like the jfk assisination,,no need to call me a arsehole i must say
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2016 9:03:42 GMT -5
I personally don't believe the 911 conspiracy theory because it would need so much planning. But I'm too open-minded to completely ignore the theory so I'll remain neutral. But one thing is sure, there are definitely some conspiracy theories which are true and I'm ready to believe (or consider) them if there are enough facts to support them.
Maybe the latest conspiracy theory I've started to believe is Cobain's murder. Soaked In Bleach was a great documentary about the subject.
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Post by NYR on Sept 8, 2016 9:11:45 GMT -5
This. I think it happens at a subconscious level, but to some people it's less scary to think that our own government attacked us compared to a handful of thugs living in a cave in some third world country. The realization that there are people hell bent on destroying our civilization scares them into such conspiracies. And these 9/11 conspiratards are usually the exact same people saying Bush was a useless president. It's one or the other: either he was the mastermind of the greatest false flag attack on American soil in US history, or he was feckless. You can't have both. NYR im sorry you lost your dad mate im sorry if you dont agree with my opinions on 9/11 i just think theres more to it than meets the eye just like the jfk assisination,,no need to call me a arsehole i must say You deal with enough people telling you your father's death was a conspiracy, cover-up, or was faked each and every year and tell me how you would react—on a thread meant to honor the victims, no less. So while you have every right to your opinion, I have the right to call you an asshole for having shared your opinion on this thread… which you are. (Also, your opinion is wrong.) But since you've steered this thread towards that conversation, I'll bite. Who, pray tell, was responsible for the death of my father and 3000 other people that day, and why did they die? No YouTube videos, no "Loose Change" bullshit: you better provide credible sources, because I will fact check every single thing you cite.
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Sept 8, 2016 19:44:41 GMT -5
I can't deny that I'm familiar with the points of the conspiracy and I think it induced entertaining Tv docus. It's interesting how documentaries like these can turn people into conspirators and let them watch 3D animations of the planes crashing into the towers over and over again. I think this alone is quite obscure and sinister. It's also quite primitive on their part because the conclusion is it's alleged cause and it's a bit like reading only the headline of an article back and forth.
There is no need to find another maximum of a shocking example when Donald Trump is on my Tv.
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Post by glider on Sept 8, 2016 20:42:05 GMT -5
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who was behind the attacks. What is 100% certain no matter what is that over 3000 people lost their lives that day and more throughout the years from first responder-related illnesses. "Uncovering the truth" won't change that. I'm neutral as well on the subject but the fact stands that this was a shitty day in human, not just American history, and just made the world even shittier as the decade went on and into the 2010s.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 12:24:27 GMT -5
the only building I believe may have been brought down is WTC 7 as theres not much reason why it would come down, theres multiple witness reports of explosions coming from the building as well people being told by fire fighters "its either going to come down on its own or we're going to bring it down", now Im only saying this because the building was badly damaged and they may of felt it needed to come down for safety not because it was rigged all along to collapse.
when it comes to the main WTC towers, a new design was used to make them apparently stronger for their height, traditional skyscrapers used a "box technique" of beams where you just keep building them one on top of the other whereas these towers used a different method of essentially having stronger outer support columns with an inner core which then youd suspend floors between them so this meant once the outer collumns were compromised the building lost a lot of its structural integrity, the fires caused the floors to bow downwards causing it to pull in on those outer collumns, once it gave way it just pancaked down, theres even footage of the inner core still standing on the south tour for a time before that came down too (so it just collapsed down around them)
you even look at the south tour collapse and you can see the corner that was damaged fall in on its self and from there the top 3rd section just fell in one whole piece, so it wasnt a tidy "controlled demolition" effect, plus the south tower came down first due to the plane coming in lower (more weight on the damaged area) as well the corner being more severely damaged.
from what I can see (could be wrong) this building design was developed purely for the WTC so therefore any other building that never collapsed from fire wasnt operating under the same framework as this one, its fundamental design was probably stronger in normal conditions but when it came to taking the damage it did here its simply possible the buildings design became a house of cards due to it relying on both the outer columns and the inner columns to stay strong, once one gave up then the floors arnt being held up on one side so they just fall and therefore cause a domino effect.
Its a simple case of the designers not thinking that anything like this would happen and therefore the building wasnt designed to managed this type of thing with the outer columns being compromised by high powered commercial jets being Deliberately flown into them with substantial fires to go along with it but then who would in in the 1960s? the towers were designed in a different era, it just wasnt thought of a possibility, you may of had fires inside but the outer columns wouldnt be compromised, here you had both so that spells collapse.
the "explosions" seen coming from the building as it came down is probably simply a case of the floors pancaking and therefore forcing air out through the windows as they came down.
edit: for reference here is the footage of the corner collapsing, quite clearly shows it was a progressive collapse and not anything to with explosives.
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Post by Ross on Sept 12, 2016 10:14:21 GMT -5
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter who was behind the attacks. Of course it matters.
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Post by arthurmorgan on Sept 12, 2016 14:39:30 GMT -5
Why is it even important if there were explosions by the way? The whole event could have been a conspiracy anyway.
You'd think that the supposed conspirators could come up with a better plan in which they didn't need to hide bombs inside the buildings. If it's so obvious that the planes couldn't have taken down the building why do you even need them in the first place?
There might have been some conspiracy theories that turned out to be true in the past but the arguments conspiracy theorists use for 9/11 are mostly pseudo-scientific explanations that they found out about on YouTube.
Not everything that the media tells us is true but a lot of the things the internet tells you aren't true either.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 15:50:33 GMT -5
The ones that annoy me the most are the 'truthers' who claim that there was no planes involved in 9/11. All that video footage? It's all just CGI. The plane debris found in the surrounding area? Planted by the government. The passengers on the planes who tragically lost their lives? Crisis actors. The thousands of people in New York who saw the second plane hit with their own eyes? They're either lying or have false memories based on what they've been told happened.
They're all claims that I've seen these idiots make on the internet. I think they massively overestimate the power of the American government if they genuinely believe that they could pull that off.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 17:10:49 GMT -5
The ones that annoy me the most are the 'truthers' who claim that there was no planes involved in 9/11. All that video footage? It's all just CGI. The plane debris found in the surrounding area? Planted by the government. The passengers on the planes who tragically lost their lives? Crisis actors. The thousands of people in New York who saw the second plane hit with their own eyes? They're either lying or have false memories based on what they've been told happened. They're all claims that I've seen these idiots make on the internet. I think they massively overestimate the power of the American government if they genuinely believe that they could pull that off. What, is there really people like that? Just insane.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 12, 2016 19:53:01 GMT -5
People gotta stop. Just fucking stop.
The US Government did NOT conspire with Taliban Islamic Fundamentalists to not only hijack four cross country jets to crash into the Twin Towers and Pentagon and plant explosives the night before.
THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. Show some respect.
What DID HAPPEN was Taliban terrorists hijacked four planes and flew them sadly into the Twin Towers, a field in PA and the Pentagon. Over 3,000 lives lost and many more in the coming wars in the Middle East.
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Post by matt on Sept 12, 2016 21:40:38 GMT -5
People gotta stop. Just fucking stop. The US Government did NOT conspire with Taliban Islamic Fundamentalists to not only hijack three cross country jets to crash into the Twin Towers and Pentagon and plant explosives the night before. THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. Show some respect. What DID HAPPEN was Taliban terrorists hijacked three planes and flew them sadly into the Twin Towers and Pentagon. Over 3,000 lives lost and many more in the coming wars in the Middle East. The stupidity of people knows no bounds.
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Post by NicOasis on Sept 12, 2016 22:58:59 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 2:48:25 GMT -5
The ones that annoy me the most are the 'truthers' who claim that there was no planes involved in 9/11. All that video footage? It's all just CGI. The plane debris found in the surrounding area? Planted by the government. The passengers on the planes who tragically lost their lives? Crisis actors. The thousands of people in New York who saw the second plane hit with their own eyes? They're either lying or have false memories based on what they've been told happened. They're all claims that I've seen these idiots make on the internet. I think they massively overestimate the power of the American government if they genuinely believe that they could pull that off. What, is there really people like that? Just insane. Seriously, just google search "9/11 no planes". It's crazy how many idiots are out there.
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Post by mimmihopps on Sept 13, 2016 2:57:33 GMT -5
and there's still people who "believe" that there was no Holocaust during the World War 2. Those people are brainwashed to believe the fake history.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 3:58:30 GMT -5
I think that the truth is somewhere in the middle. We'll probably never know.
One thing that's for sure is that 3000? innocent people lost their lives.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 4:14:40 GMT -5
You'll notice that these 'truthers' also rely heavily on unreliable sources, and choose to completely disregard any evidence which contradicts their theories.
For example, those who believe that WTC 7 was a controlled demolition will be quick to point out that the BBC reported that it had collapsed 23 minutes before it did. That suggests that the British government were probably in on it as well which is an absolutely outrageous claim. They also ignore the fact that the news isn't always 100% correct, especially in crisis situations as nobody is sure exactly what's happening and false information spreads.
I personally believe that the official version of the tragic events that transpired that day is 99.5% correct.
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Post by sortitout1471 on Sept 17, 2016 21:52:52 GMT -5
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Post by sortitout1471 on Sept 17, 2016 22:15:31 GMT -5
Maybe the latest conspiracy theory I've started to believe is Cobain's murder. Soaked In Bleach was a great documentary about the subject. Whilst i thought that documentary was very biased and exploitive i have to admit there's always been very many dodgy things about Kurt Cobain's death... I still think Cobain killed himself but there is so many dodgy things about his death , last few days its unreal. There is no way certain people did not know he was dead before his body was discovered.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Sept 17, 2016 22:45:56 GMT -5
Here's a challenge for all y'all conspiracy theorists:
If Bush/the U.S. govt planned and executed 9/11 to provide justification for an invasion of Iraq, then why bother implicating bin Laden to begin with, and then bring up Saddam? Why not just level lower Manhattan with a nuke allegedly from Iraq's WMD arsenal? This way, the U.S. would have the support of the rest of the world in their invasion, rather than having to act unilaterally. Wouldn't that be a lot easier than organizing the hijacking of four planes and also planting explosives in three skyscrapers?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Sept 18, 2016 19:51:40 GMT -5
People are fucking stupid.
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