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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jul 16, 2021 8:52:32 GMT -5
I don’t rate I’m Outta Time at all. Just, nah. Too cliche. I get that but it still works for me, a bit like Once really I think he wrote a couple of great ones too, Bold is a tune and so is I've All I Need I’ve not really listened to the solo stuff. No interest |
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Post by The Chief on Jul 16, 2021 9:54:38 GMT -5
Songbird is nothing special... it's quite forgettable... I always felt like Noel was trying to boost Liam's confidence in writing songs by saying how extraordinary it was. It's 2 minutes long, 2 chords, very Liam lyrics. Meh. Born on a Different Cloud is great though! Still one of my favourite Oasis songs. I know Liam pinched some Lennon references for the lyrics, but I don't care. Keep the Dream Alive is appalling... Three unpopular opinions in one post!! Born on a Different Cloud is the only decent tune Liam has ever written. I wouldn't say it's the only decent. It is one of his best. But he did write some pretty good songs like I'm Outta Time, Wigwam, Bold and Pass Me Down The Wine. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jul 16, 2021 12:21:20 GMT -5
I love Born On A Different Cloud but I certainly don't think it's the best song Liam has ever written. But it's certainly one of his best.
Bold
Greedy Soul
You Better Run
I Get By
Guess God Thinks I'm Able
Wigwam
The Morning Sun
Pass Me Down The Wine
Soul Love
Shine A Light
are all top tunes written by Liam too. I've never really rated I'm Outta Time much, it's ok but it's certainly not a song which I listen to very often.
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Post by jezza2 on Jul 16, 2021 15:07:34 GMT -5
Oasis should've performed at Glastonbury '97 and it would've been their greatest concert of all time. Pretty sure that they were approached by organiser, but they (especially Noel's head) were over the top at that time and Noel wouldn't have accepted the offer having a bitter memory of 1995. From what I heard, they were struggling to get the album out and they couldn't make it, so they gave the headline to Radiohead. Was the '95 Glastonbury show that bad? I haven't read much about the show. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 17, 2021 7:08:34 GMT -5
Pretty sure that they were approached by organiser, but they (especially Noel's head) were over the top at that time and Noel wouldn't have accepted the offer having a bitter memory of 1995. From what I heard, they were struggling to get the album out and they couldn't make it, so they gave the headline to Radiohead. Was the '95 Glastonbury show that bad? I haven't read much about the show. A very good friend of mine was at Glastonbury 1995 and he told me that Oasis got beer bottles and all that thrown on stage because the crowds were mad as they played unknown (yet-to-be-released) new songs (from WTSMG). Next morning Noel commented that they (he) will never ever play new songs live before they're released. I love to listen to Glasto 1995 bootlegs, but when I told my friend, he told me above story and said "it wasn't a nice gig at all". |
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Post by jezza2 on Jul 17, 2021 11:57:04 GMT -5
From what I heard, they were struggling to get the album out and they couldn't make it, so they gave the headline to Radiohead. Was the '95 Glastonbury show that bad? I haven't read much about the show. A very good friend of mine was at Glastonbury 1995 and he told me that Oasis got beer bottles and all that thrown on stage because the crowds were mad as they played unknown (yet-to-be-released) new songs (from WTSMG). Next morning Noel commented that they (he) will never ever play new songs live before they're released. I love to listen to Glasto 1995 bootlegs, but when I told my friend, he told me above story and said "it wasn't a nice gig at all". I did not know that. Thank you for the story, Mimi. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jul 17, 2021 13:10:20 GMT -5
I love the Glastonbury 1995 gig and I didn't realise that it was a bad gig due to what happened.
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Post by twinsen on Jul 17, 2021 15:33:28 GMT -5
I Can See A Liar is a very good song
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Post by asdfgjhkl19 on Jul 19, 2021 10:12:40 GMT -5
street fighting man vocals are diabolical. sounds like 2006 liam and the whole thing is just muddy, like its been slathered in shit. one of the worst things they made in the 90s. and i dont think the song is that good to begin with
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Post by yogurt on Jul 19, 2021 12:18:29 GMT -5
The Hindu times (demo) is VASTLY overrated on this forum. Yep, I said it. Yep Although I do think the finished version should’ve been somewhere in the middle, between how it ended up and the demo version. To be honest though, I don’t think the song is particularly great anyway. |
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Post by yogurt on Jul 19, 2021 12:28:40 GMT -5
AMAZING TUNES: The Hindu Times Stop Crying Your Heart Out Songbird Little by Little Born on a Different Cloud GOOD TUNES: Force of Nature OK TUNES: All in the Mind Hung in a Bad Place A Quick Peep She Is Love Better Man I don't get why many fans hate this album. I think the only great tune is Stop Crying Your Heart Out. I don’t even like it that much personally but as a piece of songwriting, it’s hard to argue with. Songbird is very good too actually. Little By Little sounds like a bit of a cynical attempt to write a flag waver. It’s is a good chorus to be fair. The verses are pure cringe though, not what I’d call a great song. I don’t think Born On A Different Cloud is great. I think it got slightly overrated because it’s Liam song that showed some progression in his writing style, which is good. I just think if it was a Noel song, it wouldn’t have got the same praise. The Hindu Times is ok but as generic as it gets, especially the finished version. Then again, if you’re lifting riffs off the stereophonics, you’re not exactly sourcing influence from anywhere interesting. |
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Post by yogurt on Jul 19, 2021 14:51:22 GMT -5
Up The Bracket by The Libertines absolutely smokes Definitely Maybe when it comes to debut albums. Oasis managed to sustain things a bit better for a couple of years and made an even bigger second album before falling off in quality. The Libertines second album was bigger than their first too, but for the wrong reasons, where as Morning Glory was bigger due to accessible songs. Obviously Oasis were by far the bigger band anyway
But if we’re talking strictly debut albums side by side and song for song, Up The Bracket is better than Definitely Maybe.
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Post by jezza2 on Jul 19, 2021 21:21:39 GMT -5
street fighting man vocals are diabolical. sounds like 2006 liam and the whole thing is just muddy, like its been slathered in shit. one of the worst things they made in the 90s. and i dont think the song is that good to begin with While I like the song, and correct me if Im wrong, but I think it was hastily made just to take the piss out of Keith Richards who said the new album sucked. It a was low-effort, "fuck you" piece. |
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Post by Aman on Jul 20, 2021 0:19:47 GMT -5
Up The Bracket by The Libertines absolutely smokes Definitely Maybe when it comes to debut albums. Oasis managed to sustain things a bit better for a couple of years and made an even bigger second album before falling off in quality. The Libertines second album was bigger than their first too, but for the wrong reasons, where as Morning Glory was bigger due to accessible songs. Obviously Oasis were by far the bigger band anyway But if we’re talking strictly debut albums side by side and song for song, Up The Bracket is better than Definitely Maybe. Lol, obviously it isn't. One of the top Indie albums of the 2000s for sure but objectively speaking, Oasis fan or not, it's nowhere near Definitely Maybe. |
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Post by yogurt on Jul 20, 2021 5:16:24 GMT -5
Up The Bracket by The Libertines absolutely smokes Definitely Maybe when it comes to debut albums. Oasis managed to sustain things a bit better for a couple of years and made an even bigger second album before falling off in quality. The Libertines second album was bigger than their first too, but for the wrong reasons, where as Morning Glory was bigger due to accessible songs. Obviously Oasis were by far the bigger band anyway But if we’re talking strictly debut albums side by side and song for song, Up The Bracket is better than Definitely Maybe. Lol, obviously it isn't. One of the top Indie albums of the 2000s for sure but objectively speaking, Oasis fan or not, it's nowhere near Definitely Maybe. Well, it’s all opinion For me, UTB is the more exciting debut with better songs. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 20, 2021 6:03:58 GMT -5
Up The Bracket by The Libertines absolutely smokes Definitely Maybe when it comes to debut albums. Oasis managed to sustain things a bit better for a couple of years and made an even bigger second album before falling off in quality. The Libertines second album was bigger than their first too, but for the wrong reasons, where as Morning Glory was bigger due to accessible songs. Obviously Oasis were by far the bigger band anyway But if we’re talking strictly debut albums side by side and song for song, Up The Bracket is better than Definitely Maybe. UTB is a great record but no way it's better than DM Not even better than Whatever People Say I Am |
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Post by yogurt on Jul 20, 2021 6:08:55 GMT -5
Up The Bracket by The Libertines absolutely smokes Definitely Maybe when it comes to debut albums. Oasis managed to sustain things a bit better for a couple of years and made an even bigger second album before falling off in quality. The Libertines second album was bigger than their first too, but for the wrong reasons, where as Morning Glory was bigger due to accessible songs. Obviously Oasis were by far the bigger band anyway But if we’re talking strictly debut albums side by side and song for song, Up The Bracket is better than Definitely Maybe. UTB is a great record but no way it's better than DM Not even better than Whatever People Say I Am Arctic Monkeys debut is overhyped. It’s fun but I don’t think it aged well at all. DM is a good album but too many cheesy songs like Rock n Roll star, Slide Away etc but it has great moments. UTB is brilliant from start to finish. Great songs, great variety of tunes and brilliant lyrics all the way through. Is This It? Is better than them all actually. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 20, 2021 6:49:31 GMT -5
UTB is a great record but no way it's better than DM Not even better than Whatever People Say I Am Arctic Monkeys debut is overhyped. It’s fun but I don’t think it aged well at all. DM is a good album but too many cheesy songs like Rock n Roll star, Slide Away etc but it has great moments. UTB is brilliant from start to finish. Great songs, great variety of tunes and brilliant lyrics all the way through. Is This It? Is better than them all actually. Funny cause my rating would be DM WPSIA UTB Is This It DM is just a brilliant record from start to finish, sounds nothing like what was "in" at the time and perfectly paints the picture of north west england without any pretentiouness Whatever People comes close, just don't think the highs are as high but bar a couple of tunes it's just hit after hit and Alex's storytelling ability really shines through it all Songs like When The Sun Goes Down, Mardy Bum, A Certain Romance are absolute gems They matured and grew from there but I don'think they ever matched the magic of that mix of energy, cleverness and realness Up The Bracket is another great one, great lyrics and songwriting and Pete really is one of the last characters in rock, as marmite as he is Just think there are 3-4 tunes that are not up to the standard of the rest and the gap is more noticeable than on both DM and WPSIA Is This It in 50 years will be still considered as an iconic record and rightly so, that combination of that garage rock sound with the pop melodies and fun guitar riffs is fresh even now after such a long time, but on a personal level the other 3 just connected more Said all this, they're 4 crazy good records and maybe the last rock n roll albums that truly had an impact on culture as well The incredible thing about Oasis is they went and did it even better the second time |
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 20, 2021 7:50:58 GMT -5
The only British indie debut that comes close to rivalling Definitely Maybe is The Stone Roses.
None of the others are even playing in the same league, in my opinion.
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Post by andymorris on Jul 20, 2021 10:32:03 GMT -5
DBTT should have been Noel songs only
I have it on my playlist:
1. Lord Dont Slow Me Down (Liam / Noel shared vocals)
2. Lyla
3. Mucky Fingers
4. Swollen hand blues
5. Being Idle
6. Part of the Queue
7. Stop the clocks
8. Sitting Here in silence
9. Record Machine (Liam sung)
10. Let There Be Love
Hidden track : Can You see it Now
No place for turds from the 3 others.
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Post by tiger40 on Jul 20, 2021 12:44:01 GMT -5
No just no as Lord Don't Slow Me, Those Swollen Hand Blues,Stop The Clocks and (Sitting Here In Silence) On My Own are some of Noel's worst songs and I'm glad that none of those songs are on the album.
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Post by yogurt on Jul 20, 2021 16:44:27 GMT -5
The only British indie debut that comes close to rivalling Definitely Maybe is The Stone Roses. None of the others are even playing in the same league, in my opinion. I’d say The Stone Roses debut is the better album, well it depends on my mood. They’re pretty much neck and neck, I just think the Roses has a bit more depth to it. |
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Post by andymorris on Jul 21, 2021 1:54:29 GMT -5
No just no as Lord Don't Slow Me, Those Swollen Hand Blues,Stop The Clocks and (Sitting Here In Silence) On My Own are some of Noel's worst songs and I'm glad that none of those songs are on the album. Better than any other DBTT songs written by the other three, sadly. Lord dont slow me down, it's a tune. The rest is fillers. And Oasis records always had fillers. The other tunes (mucky fingers, part of the queue, idle, record machine, lyla) make the record. It's not Oasis' best, but it's the best they had a the time. The only non Noel songs worth saving is Pass Me Down The Wine. |
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Post by freek on Jul 21, 2021 2:18:38 GMT -5
I think The Meaning of Soul is a brilliant tune, which is too short for me, but captures the Oasis-rock 'n roll vibe pretty well. One of the reasons I like DBTT.
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Post by Aman on Jul 21, 2021 8:08:15 GMT -5
Yeah, I've never minded TMOS.
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