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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jun 15, 2016 5:52:22 GMT -5
It's ok because Don Trump will bomb the shit out of ISIS and then we'll have world peace.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 7:25:46 GMT -5
It's not a gun issue. We need to address it at a social-economic level. (And counter-terrorism as the case may be). I also want to dispel a massive myth: The mentally ill are actually incredibly harmless. The mentally ill are the least likely to use violence. I will Only ask one thing: Why the fuck would someone need a fucking AK-47? I'm not a fan of ridiculous questions as a means of argument, but... More people die each year in car related accidents then by guns, so why does anyone need a $75,000 Mercedes? Add to that all the CO2 emissions and natural resource consumption from vehicles across the planet and the catastrophe created from cars is a world wide crisis, no? I'm not saying that these two issues are the same thing, but it is important to keep some perspective on it. The majority of people buy AK-47's for the same reasons people buy iPhones, because to them it is "cool" or a status symbol. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 15, 2016 9:24:45 GMT -5
May I point out that this is more of a LGBTQ issue than one of Islamic terrorism? Something that conservatives (and this thread's original post) conveniently leave out to advance their war hawk agenda. No it isn't. Not at all. |
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Jun 15, 2016 11:05:53 GMT -5
May I point out that this is more of a LGBTQ issue than one of Islamic terrorism? Something that conservatives (and this thread's original post) conveniently leave out to advance their war hawk agenda. No it isn't. Not at all. Never mind all the data coming out that the shooter pledged allegiance to several Islamic groups that are sworn enemies of each other and that suggests he was a closet homosexual. Nothing to see there. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 11:10:23 GMT -5
I've thought a lot about gun control, and have come to the conclusion that is too late. I am absolutely and positively anti-gun, but I've had a thought- Imagine some awful, damaging drug was legal for years, then made illegal, who would be most affected by this? The good, honest, innocent people who aren't willing to commit crimes, would stop using the drug because, well, it's illegal now (forget about addiction etc in this example). Whereas the criminals, or those willing to do the drug anyway despite it being illegal, would KEEP using the drug, right? Apply that thought process to guns- if a gun ban or similar is introduced, who will stop using guns? You guessed it, the innocent, honest, legal gun users, because they aren't willing to use them legally, i.e. for defence or whatever reason they claim. But those criminals or otherwise who are willing to break the law, the ones causing the violence and issues? They will continue to use guns, because they have already been in the country in great supply for too long, and they couldn't care less about breaking the law. So what you are left with is the innocent people using guns for defence or legal uses having their weapons taken away, whereas the criminals and terrorists will keep theres and continue to cause damage. So my point here - I suppose - is that it may not be a good idea to take guns away, because these people will always be able to get hold of guns because the US is already swimming in them, and continue to cause damage. The only difference would be that the innocent people would now be without their defense. I'd like to repeat - I am completely anti-gun, but the issue here is that the US should never have allowed guns in the first place, as the system is now poisoned I agree that it would almost definitely end badly as you've described if they were to immediately blanket ban all forms of guns, but if they slowly added restrictions over several decades, such as starting off with banning assault rifles and the like before moving towards a more comprehensive ban, I think that wouldn't cause as many problems (not ideal due to how long it would take, but it'll take a while to get rid of most problems that have lasted for centuries). Thinking about it, most major stuff that goverments do quickly (e.g. entering wars, sudden pulling out of wars, stuff like prohibition) tends to end badly, but all the stuff they do slowly (like restricting free speech, limiting rights to privacy and increasing taxes) goes through with little problem. |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Jun 15, 2016 11:38:45 GMT -5
May I point out that this is more of a LGBTQ issue than one of Islamic terrorism? Something that conservatives (and this thread's original post) conveniently leave out to advance their war hawk agenda. No it isn't. Not at all. Yeah, it is. The shooter attacked Pulse because he knew that it was a nightclub that catered to the LGBTQ community. The shooter seems to have been gay himself, yet driven to homophobia from denial of himself. Homophobia isn't restricted to Islamism. You cannot overlook the fact that a specific group of people were targeted. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 15, 2016 13:22:52 GMT -5
I will Only ask one thing: Why the fuck would someone need a fucking AK-47? I'm not a fan of ridiculous questions as a means of argument, but... More people die each year in car related accidents then by guns, so why does anyone need a $75,000 Mercedes? Add to that all the CO2 emissions and natural resource consumption from vehicles across the planet and the catastrophe created from cars is a world wide crisis, no? I'm not saying that these two issues are the same thing, but it is important to keep some perspective on it. The majority of people buy AK-47's for the same reasons people buy iPhones, because to them it is "cool" or a status symbol. Big difference from buying an iPhone and owning an AK-47. That's absurd and not practical. Owning it because it's cool isn't enough. Those guns are weapons of mass destruction.  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jun 15, 2016 13:23:36 GMT -5
It's ok because Don Trump will bomb the shit out of ISIS and then we'll have world peace. Yeah.........that workout real well for America during Vietnam and the 2nd Gulf War. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 14:14:53 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of ridiculous questions as a means of argument, but... More people die each year in car related accidents then by guns, so why does anyone need a $75,000 Mercedes? Add to that all the CO2 emissions and natural resource consumption from vehicles across the planet and the catastrophe created from cars is a world wide crisis, no? I'm not saying that these two issues are the same thing, but it is important to keep some perspective on it. The majority of people buy AK-47's for the same reasons people buy iPhones, because to them it is "cool" or a status symbol. Big difference from buying an iPhone and owning an AK-47. That's absurd and not practical. Owning it because it's cool isn't enough. Those guns are weapons of mass destruction. I think you should re-evaluate the use of this phrase. For the record, I never said that the "cool" factor was enough to warrant owning one. but the rationale between buying an AK-47 and an expensive luxury car are more similar than one would think. Also, buying an AK-47 and killing with one are two vastly different things. That's all. |
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Post by Manualex on Jun 15, 2016 14:45:22 GMT -5
Yeah.........that workout real well for America during Vietnam and the 2nd Gulf War.  This is not the momento no the place For jokes. |
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jun 15, 2016 14:46:51 GMT -5
This is not the momento no the place For jokes. Any time is the right time to poke fun at The Donald. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Jun 16, 2016 1:44:04 GMT -5
Stop killing each other. What's the point to be all alone on the earth with nobody to talk, nobody to share your life?
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Post by nataliemckinney on Jun 16, 2016 22:30:18 GMT -5
I live less than an hour away from where this horrific event occurred. 49 wonderful, decent, innocent people were viciously and violently murdered. 53 were injured. Many were parents. Our city has seen some terrible, horrible tragic events in this past week. A singer from The Voice was murdered the day before, and just a few days after the mass shooting, a toddler was dragged into the water at Disney by an alligator. It's been a horrible, tragic week. I'm attending my first vigil tomorrow (the police had kindly asked to refrain for a bit from large gatherings, as the strain on the police force is great right now.) The vigil I'm attending is for two young women in my neighborhood. Many of my coworkers lost loved ones, friends, family.
I'm heartbroken for the loss. I've been crying all week. I've been wanting to get out there, to do something. To help in some small way.
Yet in the midst of all the sadness, there are so many stories coming out. Stories of the victims that make you wish you had known them in life. They were truly beautiful people we lost. People are gathering and showing support and solidarity. People are donating blood, money, services, anything they can to help the families and the survivors. It's amazing.
We will find a brighter day.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 9:52:32 GMT -5
Stop killing each other. What's the point to be all alone on the earth with nobody to talk, nobody to share your life?  |
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Post by Guy Fawkes on Jun 17, 2016 11:54:45 GMT -5
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Post by As You Built The Moon on Jun 17, 2016 14:53:22 GMT -5
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