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Post by jaq515 on Mar 3, 2016 16:56:57 GMT -5
yes I'm sure they will.. and eventually mainly the fans will buy (which started to have happened this cycle dropping neatly 1/2 million album sales in the uk) thats life tho jake is 25? years younger than noel so guessing his fans / music fans as a whole wont be to upset by his comments Give it a few years and the younger generation won't know who Noel Gallagher is, like when Paul McCartney worked with Kanye West. i dont (want?) to believe that'll happen in the uk at least .. 20 years on and the sight of oasis fans regenerating is amazing to see and is still happening. in the u.s like what happened to macca then yeah but as others say on here regularly no one even remembers him already (minus 15 years)
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Post by zatine87 on Mar 3, 2016 16:59:16 GMT -5
Well, what about Jake Bugg's last album? Now that's pretty crap, innit? He's got a new album out in June so he needs some big headlines. As I've said in another thread, his music does nothing for me, I find it very dull. His second album was much worse than his debut by the way, which at least had a couple of redeemable qualities. Loved the debut. Shangri La, not so much.
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Post by boneheadsbolero on Mar 3, 2016 17:03:56 GMT -5
Oh my God! I have seen the future of rock 'n' roll and it's name is Jake Bugg! What charisma! What chops! What a voice! What songs! What hair! I mean, wow! Move over Elvis. Move over Lennon. Move over Dylan. You've all been usurped. Merry old England has done it again! First you give us Sheeran and now this. I'd say more but I gotta go take a dump and then throw up on it.
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Post by Ross on Mar 3, 2016 17:49:33 GMT -5
Oh my God! I have seen the future of rock 'n' roll and it's name is Jake Bugg! What charisma! What chops! What a voice! What songs! What hair! I mean, wow! Move over Elvis. Move over Lennon. Move over Dylan. You've all been usurped. Merry old England has done it again! First you give us Sheeran and now this. I'd say more but I gotta go take a dump and then throw up on it. Lennon was English.
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Post by Noeldemort on Mar 4, 2016 1:42:04 GMT -5
I'd shut my mouth real tight if I make music like Jake does. His new song's crap.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Mar 4, 2016 9:25:57 GMT -5
Tsk tsk, no taste, that boy. Also, his own album is crap, mostly. And he didn't even write most of that himself. His first album is perhaps on my top five list of all time. The consistency and quality of the songs on that album in unbeliveable. Barely a weak track at all. I'd call it a classic. I've seen him live two times, and he blew me away both times with his vocal capabilities and guitar skills. And while he doesn't write all of his songs himself, Country song, Someplace, Saffron, Fire, Someone told me, Something Wrong, Me and You, Kingpin, Love Me the Way You Do, Kitchen Table and All Your Reasons are all written solely by him. And like I've said in another tread earlier: if it was Noel and not Jake Bugg, those co-writers would've just been given producer credits. At least Bugg is modest enough to give them credit for their advice and input. This is was a talented teenager who just needed some extra advice. One can't deny that he probably wouldn't have had exactly the same big success straight away as he has experienced if it was just him writing and doing everything by himself, but there's no doubt that the guy has big talent. Most songwriters would give a lot to be able to write songs such as Someone Told Me, Me And You and All Your Reasons. Here's Me and You, which he wrote all by himself: And while co-written: check out the guitar skills from 2:40 on this one: Top 5 list? As in your favourite albums ever? Surely if you like what you hear off Bugg there is a load better albums to be found in the likes of Johnny Cash and Bob Dylan etc?
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Post by shoreline on Mar 4, 2016 11:03:27 GMT -5
His first album is perhaps on my top five list of all time. The consistency and quality of the songs on that album in unbeliveable. Barely a weak track at all. I'd call it a classic. I've seen him live two times, and he blew me away both times with his vocal capabilities and guitar skills. And while he doesn't write all of his songs himself, Country song, Someplace, Saffron, Fire, Someone told me, Something Wrong, Me and You, Kingpin, Love Me the Way You Do, Kitchen Table and All Your Reasons are all written solely by him. And like I've said in another tread earlier: if it was Noel and not Jake Bugg, those co-writers would've just been given producer credits. At least Bugg is modest enough to give them credit for their advice and input. This is was a talented teenager who just needed some extra advice. One can't deny that he probably wouldn't have had exactly the same big success straight away as he has experienced if it was just him writing and doing everything by himself, but there's no doubt that the guy has big talent. Most songwriters would give a lot to be able to write songs such as Someone Told Me, Me And You and All Your Reasons. Here's Me and You, which he wrote all by himself: And while co-written: check out the guitar skills from 2:40 on this one: Top 5 list? As in your favourite albums ever? Surely if you like what you hear off Bugg there is a load better albums to be found in the likes of Johnny Cash and Bob Dylan etc? Or at least top ten. It was just a way of expressing how I really like the album. If i think more closely there'll probably be many albums that I haven't thought about from the top of my head. But this is an album that I love, that I've listened to a lot in the recent years, so then obviously it would be important for me. But just a thought: If you put WTSMG on the list of your favorite albums ever, what if I said to you "Surely if you like what you hear of oasis there is a lot better albums to be found in the likes of The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and The Who?" My point is that even though you love and respect the real legends of rock music, pop music or any other genre, there may still be that you enjoy how some artist that has come after them have mixed all these musical influences together and put their own unique twist on it. Just like I love how Noel is able to put The Kinks, The Beatles, The La's, The Sex Pistols and etc and etc in Oasis, I love how Jake Buggs music, singing and guitar playing combines elements from Donovan, Johnny Cash, The Beatles, Don McLean, Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix and so on. I haven't listened to the whole back-catalogue of these artists, but through my interest in Bugg's music, it motivates me to listen to more of that as well. I would probably not have heard or checked out Donovans music if I hadn't discovered Jake Buggs music for example. Just as Oasis probably inspired a lot of people to check out the people that influenced them, Jake Bugg does the same with his music. It introduces a new generation to a lot of the classics (as well as more unknown artists), while also representing an unique musical product with value in itself.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Mar 4, 2016 12:52:29 GMT -5
Top 5 list? As in your favourite albums ever? Surely if you like what you hear off Bugg there is a load better albums to be found in the likes of Johnny Cash and Bob Dylan etc? Or at least top ten. It was just a way of expressing how I really like the album. If i think more closely there'll probably be many albums that I haven't thought about from the top of my head. But this is an album that I love, that I've listened to a lot in the recent years, so then obviously it would be important for me. But just a thought: If you put WTSMG on the list of your favorite albums ever, what if I said to you "Surely if you like what you hear of oasis there is a lot better albums to be found in the likes of The Beatles, The Rolling Stones and The Who?" My point is that even though you love and respect the real legends of rock music, pop music or any other genre, there may still be that you enjoy how some artist that has come after them have mixed all these musical influences together and put their own unique twist on it. Just like I love how Noel is able to put The Kinks, The Beatles, The La's, The Sex Pistols and etc and etc in Oasis, I love how Jake Buggs music, singing and guitar playing combines elements from Donovan, Johnny Cash, The Beatles, Don McLean, Bob Dylan, Jimi Hendrix and so on. I haven't listened to the whole back-catalogue of these artists, but through my interest in Bugg's music, it motivates me to listen to more of that as well. I would probably not have heard or checked out Donovans music if I hadn't discovered Jake Buggs music for example. Just as Oasis probably inspired a lot of people to check out the people that influenced them, Jake Bugg does the same with his music. It introduces a new generation to a lot of the classics (as well as more unknown artists), while also representing an unique musical product with value in itself. Good points well made, however - The beauty of Oasis for me is they took the riffs, and even sometimes melodies of those artists and made them better. Especially on DM and WTSMG.
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Post by gdforever on Mar 6, 2016 10:55:02 GMT -5
I think he's a probably a bit annoyed about it having been called out so publicly. He was presented as being this little rock n roll prodigy writing his own music at such a tender age instead of being like One Direction and Noel bringing up the cowriters kind of weakens that image. To a certain extent the way he was presented relied on people not looking to closely at credits. I listened to a few of his interview when he talked about writing his music at no point did I hear anything even insinuating that anyone else had any input which I think was by design to portray a certain image.
And there is another portion of this that is their own relationship that might have been a bit of a source of Noel feeling a bit put out by finding out that Jake didn't write the album alone. After all they knew each other personally and perhaps there were situations in which Noel felt that it would have been appropriate that he should have mentioned his songwriting partner.
It's difficult to know how much influence he had on the music that was written. Although it's encouraging that several of the songs had the same cowriter so proper sessions with the 2 seems likely for at least those songs. I read an interview with a songwriting team a while back though and they said they have had songs recorded by other artists and looked at the credits and saw that the label had given the artist a songwriting credit when the recorded product is pretty much the demo. Most of those artists tend to have many different cowriters though I think.
I think he has a point in terms of Noel insulting someone in the press then having no problem with being friendly with them. I think Noel has a tendency to be hyperbolic in interviews. He doesn't dislike something it's the worst thing ever so he can foam and rage for comedic effect to a certain extent and get a rise out of people.
On one hand you could see it as two faced...or you could view it as he might have an issue with something but that doesn't mean that he has to hate the person that did it.
I mean... look at him and Lars Ulrich. He's been friends with him for years but he has never been anything other than disparaging of Metallica's music that I remember.
I think the mistake people make is thinking that Noel saying something negative about something genuinely means that he hates them and everything about them. That a relationship will not be possible on the personal front.
I don't think that Noel would blank Jake because he had a cowriter although it undoubtably decrease his respect for him as an artist. However I think that he might be less charitable because of Jake insulting his album. That probably wasn't the best way for Jake to handle that. Take exception to Noel's position on cowriters? sure, maybe actually defend his input into those songwriting partnerships. Actively attack him? probably not the best idea. Noel is a much bigger name and that album was one of the best selling (21st best selling album of the year) of last year in their prime market. If Noel decides to make Bugg his byword for shitty I don't think all publicity will be good publicity for Jake. Noel can be pretty vindictive and capable of generating way more headlines.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Mar 7, 2016 7:01:33 GMT -5
To be fair to Jake Bugg having co-writers puts him less in the 1D bracket and more like other singer guitarists since the turn of the century such as Paolo Nutini, James Blunt and James Morrison, who all had other writers credited on at least their debuts.
I can understand Bugg being upset at Noel's statements on him having co-writers, but he then goes and does exactly what he accuses Noel of by publicly being critical himself, so he isn't really any different in that respect.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Mar 7, 2016 7:24:40 GMT -5
Co-writers
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Post by andymorris on Mar 7, 2016 7:57:51 GMT -5
Co writers are ok in the pop world, Michael Jackson had multiples, Elvis Presley never wrote a note. but that's ok because they were more performers. In rock n roll it's not acceptable however.
Jake Bugg was never gonna be a huge star anyway, he's a product, at 100% (his 'new' music is proof, lo fi is on the way out), when Oasis was a product at 50%. He'll be forgotten in a few years.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Mar 7, 2016 8:03:59 GMT -5
Wouldn't be a problem if he didn't portray himself as a singer-songwriter kind of guy.
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Post by andymorris on Mar 7, 2016 9:29:08 GMT -5
Wouldn't be a problem if he didn't portray himself as a singer-songwriter kind of guy. Yep, well that's what i was saying basically: the way he was marketed from the beginning was wrong, he was gonna like the new Bob Dylan, wtf. More like the new Robbie Williams with an acoustic guitar.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Mar 7, 2016 18:09:52 GMT -5
TRUTH !!
Liam was the soul of Oasis.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Mar 7, 2016 18:32:36 GMT -5
BUGG get back to me when you've done a vocal as B I B L I C A L as this:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 10:35:07 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to hear how Noel responds to this.
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Post by carryusall on Mar 8, 2016 10:36:11 GMT -5
I have never come across anyone in real life mentioning Jake Bugg
Need I say more?
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Post by lamboasis on Mar 10, 2016 6:19:20 GMT -5
Oh c'mon guys, saying something about Noel makes easy headlines, at least in UK and in the guitar music scene. Noel is the king of that, he does that everyday.
They'll be drunk together in less than a month time
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 10, 2016 12:36:06 GMT -5
I find Buggs vocals to be the equivalent of listening to nails scratch across a chalkboard. His style is something I could never listen to.
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Post by tcgallagher on Mar 26, 2016 8:24:24 GMT -5
Jake Bugg is just like Lana Del Rey
Makes one solid debut album then produces nothing but manure after.
Please leave and never return.
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