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Post by Noel's Nose on Feb 27, 2016 19:46:44 GMT -5
I thought I should jump on the bandwagon...
Anyway, ever since I started visiting these forums there was one thing that always bugged me, and it was that Better Man, imo one of the standout tracks on HC, was always regarded as one of the worst on it, or even as a stain on Oasis' entire catalogue.
I mean, I know Liam's songwriting skills might generally pale in comparison to Noel's, and lyrical depth is practically at ground level on this specific song - below is basically the entirety of it.
But the melody and Noel's backing vocals are just so thrilling and so good, even though they sound somewhat generic... this might not belong in a 'best of' album, but, in my opinion, it doesn't deserve the hate it gets. I'd give it a 6 or 7/10.
/please don't kill me
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Post by mkoasis on Feb 27, 2016 19:53:53 GMT -5
Likewise. I do like it, though I'm aware of the fact that most people here don't. If got a cool grove, a simple lyric to go along with it (nothing wrong with that, so does Columbia), and some neat guitar work. It's not the way I'd expect them to end an album like HC, so I like that. It was good live too.
I just don't like the 30 min wait before The Cage, which is one of my favourite tracks off HC.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 21:02:24 GMT -5
I hate it. The live version isn't that bad but I have so many bad memories when I'm listening to this song. It's awful.
And what's with the 30-minute gap between Better Man and The Cage?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 27, 2016 21:04:00 GMT -5
Pearl Jam's "Better Man" is much much better.  |
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Post by Noel's Nose on Feb 27, 2016 21:06:08 GMT -5
Pearl Jam's "Better Man" is much much better. I agree |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 27, 2016 21:28:32 GMT -5
0/10. Horrid.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Feb 27, 2016 21:40:20 GMT -5
6/10
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Post by guigsysEstring on Feb 27, 2016 22:14:36 GMT -5
Pearl Jam's "Better Man" is much much better. Your namesake's go at the Oasis tune wasn't bad either |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Feb 27, 2016 22:18:21 GMT -5
Also Robbie Williams (with Guy Chambers who used to be in a band called The Lemon Trees with the Stacey brothers) wrote his own "Better Man" in 2000. Oddly enough the year his ex Nicole Appleton set up with Liam Gallagher...
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Post by mystoryisgory on Feb 27, 2016 23:29:43 GMT -5
The absolute worst closer of any Oasis-related album. Seriously. It doesn't even feel like a "last" song.  |
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Post by unionpat on Feb 28, 2016 0:11:20 GMT -5
This bugs the shit out of me "Better Man" and "It's Gettin' Better (Man!!),"
WTF?!!
The only thing worse is "I'm Outta Time" and "Ain't Got Nothin'," having the same f'ing "Here's a song," lyric, seriously?!!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 28, 2016 0:14:54 GMT -5
This bugs the shit out of me "Better Man" and "It's Gettin' Better (Man!!)," WTF?!! |
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Post by johnwesleyharding on Feb 28, 2016 1:08:45 GMT -5
I agree. I don't understand how anyone can even listen to Pearl Jam. Terrible band. That tune Yellow Ledbetter was okay, but otherwise irredeemable. |
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Post by glider on Feb 28, 2016 1:50:06 GMT -5
Freaking garbage. "I wanna be a better man, I wanna be a better man" and that terrible Stone Roses-Foz style soundwall plus the stupid "and I know you'll understand" with the oh-oh's.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 28, 2016 1:52:40 GMT -5
I don't want to be too harsh, so I'll give it a 1/10.
It's an absolute piece of shit, the worst closer of all Oasis albums, and one of the biggest turds they've ever recorded. I hate it. I even prefer Ain't Got Muffins.
I'm not sure which one is worse, Better Man or All In The Mind.
One of the standout tracks on Heathen Chemistry? Yes it is, in that it stands out as being a whole new level of shit.
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Post by Gas Panic on Feb 28, 2016 4:38:45 GMT -5
The absolute worst closer of any Oasis-related album. Seriously. It doesn't even feel like a "last" song. The Japanese version of the album closes with you've got the heart of a star which works a lot better. The Brazilian version doesn't even include Better Man and closes with Born on a Different Cloud. Better Man is pretty horrid. |
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Post by carlober on Feb 28, 2016 5:09:43 GMT -5
Atrocious, but unfortunately not the worst song they've ever released.
3/10
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Post by Aman on Feb 28, 2016 6:58:28 GMT -5
I've never really had a massive problem with Better Man tbh.
Quite a good listen.
And I hate HC for the record.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 28, 2016 7:35:16 GMT -5
On record its decent, live its pretty fucking good. And its exactly 16 times better than Probably All In The Mind.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 28, 2016 7:47:52 GMT -5
On record its decent, live its pretty fucking good. And its exactly 16 times better than Probably All In The Mind. What makes it 16 times better and not, let's say, 15 or 17? |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 28, 2016 7:49:33 GMT -5
On record its decent, live its pretty fucking good. And its exactly 16 times better than Probably All In The Mind. What makes it 16 times better and not, let's say, 15 or 17?  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 7:50:56 GMT -5
On record its decent, live its pretty fucking good. And its exactly 16 times better than Probably All In The Mind. 16 x 0 = 0 |
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Post by carlober on Feb 28, 2016 8:09:28 GMT -5
On record its decent, live its pretty fucking good. And its exactly 16 times better than Probably All In The Mind. They're both equally shit in my book. Actually not, Probably All In The Mind might be worse only because it was written by the same man who wrote Live Forever. |
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Post by freddy838 on Feb 28, 2016 9:50:22 GMT -5
I like it, but prefer the dark, menacing ending to the song they had on the demo and some of the earlier live versions. Fuck knows why they changed it.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Feb 28, 2016 10:04:30 GMT -5
Logs in to Live4ever forum, sees a thread discussing a Liam song.
Guess what. Same culprits slagging it to shit.
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