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Post by Cast on Feb 15, 2016 11:24:48 GMT -5
People who hate on him, hate on the noise around him, or maybe the his public persona. That noise won't be there in 50 years, and the music will still stand. His music may not be your thing, but dude is a generation defining artist.
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 15, 2016 11:30:15 GMT -5
People who hate on him, hate on the noise around him, or maybe the his public persona. That noise won't be there in 50 years, and the music will still stand. His music may not be your thing, but dude is a generation defining artist. I don't know if you're talking about my generation, but we're certainly not defined by Kanye West. |
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Post by jordan71421 on Feb 15, 2016 12:24:05 GMT -5
Hey Mama
Roses
Gone
I Wonder
Two Words
Guilt Trip
All underrated, superb Kanye songs, give them a chance guys
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Post by jordan71421 on Feb 15, 2016 12:34:35 GMT -5
But from Pablo, my favorites are:
Father Stretch My Hands Pt. 1 and 2
Famous
Highlights
FML
Real Friends
Wolves
30 Hours
Fade
A solid set of songs for someone who's 7 albums into their career
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Post by johnwesleyharding on Feb 15, 2016 12:39:58 GMT -5
Kanye's last three albums have 1 and sometimes 2 songs per that are worth listening to. This one is no exception. The only good track on Life of Pablo is Real Friends. He has his fans and there is a circus surrounding him, but plenty of people make forgettable music. If this does it for you, great. I'm unimpressed.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Feb 15, 2016 12:46:47 GMT -5
People who hate on him, hate on the noise around him, or maybe the his public persona. That noise won't be there in 50 years, and the music will still stand. His music may not be your thing, but dude is a generation defining artist. I don't know if you're talking about my generation, but we're certainly not defined by Kanye West. |
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Post by Cast on Feb 15, 2016 14:18:30 GMT -5
People who hate on him, hate on the noise around him, or maybe the his public persona. That noise won't be there in 50 years, and the music will still stand. His music may not be your thing, but dude is a generation defining artist. I don't know if you're talking about my generation, but we're certainly not defined by Kanye West. Considering I don't know your age, I can't say anything, and more importantly everyone is of course entitled to their opinion; But as a 23 year old, I've grown up on Kanye West's music, I haven't always loved him or his music, but dude has admirable talent and ambition. If you are a fan of Hip Hop, he is the defining popular hip hop artist of the 00's. I don't even really see how that's a debate, considering he pretty much killed gangsta rap/crunk in 04. He has pushed genres boundaries and has influenced nearly every successful rapper that has come after him in some capacity. His music, like anyone else's isn't for everyone, but that doesn't mean you need to be a hater, not calling anyone out - I'm just saying. As far as his media persona/shtick, he operates on a pretty 'meta' troll level. Why anyone is shocked or offended by what he posts is beyond me. He knows that the media will make mountains out of molehills just because its him. |
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 15, 2016 14:53:51 GMT -5
I don't know if you're talking about my generation, but we're certainly not defined by Kanye West. Considering I don't know your age, I can't say anything, and more importantly everyone is of course entitled to their opinion; But as a 23 year old, I've grown up on Kanye West's music, I haven't always loved him or his music, but dude has admirable talent and ambition. If you are a fan of Hip Hop, he is the defining popular hip hop artist of the 00's. I don't even really see how that's a debate, considering he pretty much killed gangsta rap/crunk in 04. He has pushed genres boundaries and has influenced nearly every successful rapper that has come after him in some capacity. His music, like anyone else's isn't for everyone, but that doesn't need you need to be a hater, not calling anyone out - I'm just saying. As far as his media persona/shtick, he operates on a pretty 'meta' troll level. Why anyone is shocked or offended by what he posts is beyond me. He that the media will make mountains out of molehills just because its him. I'm 16, and Kanye is a long way from being generation defining from what I've seen. In the hip-hop world maybe, but generally? I don't know a single person who's a fan of him and no one ever talks about him. People know him, of course, but no one seems to actually like him or his music. He's more just famous for being Kanye West. Fame is not the same as cultural importance. If there is a generation defining pop-star now (which, of course, there isn't) it would have to be Adele, Beyonce or Taylor Swift. Outside of a few tunes, I don't think his music would command much attention in pop-culture, outside of hip-hop spheres. That's not a bad thing - Aphex Twin isn't exactly a household name despite being often cited as the greatest in his field, but the problem with Kanye is that that isn't enough for him. He wants to be a megastar and a generation defining artist more than anything else, but when the music doesn't back that up, you end up with a really, really boring media creation custom designed to be famous, right down to the celebrity marriage, interview technique and watercooler moment public stunts. An omnipresent vacuum, which is what he is. |
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Feb 15, 2016 14:57:41 GMT -5
Hate everything about the man, but I am sort of pretty interested in hearing this thing now. Surely it's shit, if he's still working on it and hasn't yet decided on the tracklisting? Surely?! Either that or he's putting it all on and he's a marketing genius. But whatever it sounds like, you can be sure it'll get a better review on Pitchfork than any Oasis album has ever received...Yep. Fuckin' Jayson Greene too - A man so hipster he's broken the conventionality of his own fucking name. Fighting the system, maan! |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Feb 16, 2016 20:55:35 GMT -5
Hate everything about the man, but I am sort of pretty interested in hearing this thing now. Surely it's shit, if he's still working on it and hasn't yet decided on the tracklisting? Surely?! Either that or he's putting it all on and he's a marketing genius. But whatever it sounds like, you can be sure it'll get a better review on Pitchfork than any Oasis album has ever received...Yep. Fuckin' Jayson Greene too - A man so hipster he's broken the conventionality of his own fucking name. Fighting the system, maan!A four and a half star review from Rolling Stone as well, I see... Now what was it the Masterplan compilation record got?... |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 16, 2016 21:03:38 GMT -5
A four and a half star review from Rolling Stone as well, I see... Now what was it the Masterplan compilation record got?... Kanye doesn't want "white" publications to review or listen to his new album. Weirdo.  |
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Post by Manualex on Feb 16, 2016 23:12:06 GMT -5
That and this album being exlusive on Tidal is not going to help him at at all(if true then he's just stupid).
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Post by spaneli on Feb 16, 2016 23:21:55 GMT -5
I don't know if you're talking about my generation, but we're certainly not defined by Kanye West. Considering I don't know your age, I can't say anything, and more importantly everyone is of course entitled to their opinion; But as a 23 year old, I've grown up on Kanye West's music, I haven't always loved him or his music, but dude has admirable talent and ambition. If you are a fan of Hip Hop, he is the defining popular hip hop artist of the 00's. I don't even really see how that's a debate, considering he pretty much killed gangsta rap/crunk in 04. He has pushed genres boundaries and has influenced nearly every successful rapper that has come after him in some capacity. His music, like anyone else's isn't for everyone, but that doesn't mean you need to be a hater, not calling anyone out - I'm just saying. As far as his media persona/shtick, he operates on a pretty 'meta' troll level. Why anyone is shocked or offended by what he posts is beyond me. He knows that the media will make mountains out of molehills just because its him. I'm 25 and for me Kanye West was a generation defining artist. I was in grade school when College Dropout first came out, I was transitioning to High School when Gold Digger dropped, and I was graduating from High School when 808's & Heartbeats came out. Now Kanye is a parody of Kanye, which detracts from what he once was. When he first came on the radio back in 2004, he was completely different to everyone who was on there. He so far removed from Jay-Z, and gangsta rap. He was the return of the racially defined hip hop artist. His landscapes of religion, mixed with race, and culture created the blue print that Kendrick Lamar's To Pimp a Butterfly follows and exceeds. His mix of autotuned vocals and feminine centric male behavior and emotion on 808's and Heartbeats ushered in the likes of Drake. Of course if someone is 16 they wouldn't find him generation defining, not that I know anyone's circle of friends. But if you lived in America during the 2000's, I would say there were few who had as much of an impact upon American culture whether commercially or socially as Kanye West. I can see still repeat every line of College Dropout backwards and fowards. What other artist can be defined just as much for his music, as for saying the President of the United States doesn't care about black people? Few. Few can wear that many hats. Few can create those type of seismic shifts by opening their mouth. It's the reason Kanye's place in music history is well guarded. Maybe Kanye doesn't feel as defined because he's a parody of himself, or he's let himself slip, or simply because what once made Kanye successful, his otherness, is now what many in his genre sound like. That is, attempting to create the same collages of cross cultural mood based, yet racially defined albums. |
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Post by Manualex on Feb 16, 2016 23:32:46 GMT -5
The only songs I know of Kanye are Im a god, Touch the sky, stronger and Golddigger. I don't feel the need to listen to him, but he knows how to work around a sample for a new context in those songs.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Feb 17, 2016 7:45:19 GMT -5
A four and a half star review from Rolling Stone as well, I see... Now what was it the Masterplan compilation record got?... 4.2 I think |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Feb 17, 2016 7:55:21 GMT -5
A four and a half star review from Rolling Stone as well, I see... Now what was it the Masterplan compilation record got?... 4.2 I think It got two and a half stars... |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Feb 17, 2016 7:56:41 GMT -5
It got two and a half stars... Oh I was talking about Pitchfork... |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Feb 17, 2016 7:58:40 GMT -5
It got two and a half stars... Oh I was talking about Pitchfork... Oh right. Well, unfortunately, wrong again. It got 3.7...  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 8:00:56 GMT -5
The Masterplan is pure gold: Listen Up, Half The World Away, Acquiesce, The Masterplan, Rockin' Chair, Talk Tonight, etc.
Actually every song on there is fuckin' great. Can't have less than 5 stars, again more when you remember it's only a B-sides compilation !
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Feb 17, 2016 8:17:43 GMT -5
People who hate on him, hate on the noise around him, or maybe the his public persona. That noise won't be there in 50 years, and the music will still stand. His music may not be your thing, but dude is a generation defining artist. I don't know if you're talking about my generation, but we're certainly not defined by Kanye West. And god help us if we are. A gifted producer and all that, the man may be, but he's also a vulgarian of the highest order. And I know my concentrating on the man Kanye instead of the music he producers will rile some on here, but if you're going to define an entire generation, I think what you do with your time and the kind of things you say really do matter. Take what Lennon said above for example, by him breaching race issues in such a cack-handed way, he plays right into the hands of the white trash racists who are going to be horrible no matter what, and he also sends out the wrong message to some of his very impressionable young black fans, inciting hatred on both sides. Not to mention that his marriage to that awful troll, Kim Kardashian, colludes with the rising trend of that kind of body type and character being the goal for young girls to try and ape, and for young boys to seek. |
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Post by Cast on Feb 17, 2016 11:01:12 GMT -5
I've listened to this enough to be pretty confident in saying that it'll make my top 5-10 for the year. He's 7 for 7. I actually really love sketched feel and all over the place sentiment of this record. Yeezus was tinkered on up until the last minute as well; its a fantastic mood piece in its own right, but this album does have a twisted celebration feel to it. It might be the best portrait of all the versions of Kanye that we've seen.
Utltralight Beam, Father Stretch My Hands Pt. 1 (and Pt.2), Feedback, Real Friends, No More Parties in LA, Wolves, and 30 Hours aren't just great songs, they are up they up there or board on being up their with his best work. Some of those will become legit classics. Probably Real Friends, Ultralight Beam, and No More Parties, but I really really love Father Stretch My Hands. Low Lights, Freestyle 4, and I Love Kanye are actually really functional and enjoyable skits and palette cleaners. Finally he dips his feet into old school Chicago house on Fade. I've been waiting for this for years. It turned out pretty solid. Highlights, Famous, Waves, and FML are all good (not great), but at all have at least outstanding moment. FML's outro is fantastic, Waves is wavvy perfection (Brown actually sounds great on it), Famous demands your attention, and Highlights has some of the best rappin' on the album. Hell even Facts, sounds better.
1. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy - 10/10
2. Late Registration - 10/10
3. The College Dropout - 9/10
4. Life of Pablo - 9/10
5. Graduation - 8.5/10
6. Yeezus - 8/10
7. 808's and Heartbreak - 7.5/10
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 17, 2016 11:04:40 GMT -5
I've listened to this enough to be pretty confident in saying that it'll make my top 5-10 for the year. He's 7 for 7. I actually really love sketched feel and all over the place sentiment of this record. Yeezus was tinkered on up until the last minute as well Its a fantastic mood piece in its own right, but this album does have a twisted celebration feel to it. It might be the best portrait of all the versions of Kanye that we've seen. 1. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy - 10/10 2. Late Registration - 10/10 3. The College Dropout - 9/10 4. Life of Pablo - 9/10 5. Graduation - 8.5/10 6. Yeezus - 8/10 7. 808's and Heartbreak - 7.5/10Interesting you list this last. I believe it's Kanye's own personal favorite of his but I could be mistake. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 17, 2016 11:05:23 GMT -5
Kanye should produce Noel. His albums always have the best production and the BIG moments always hit so hard and just right. I'm not kidding either.
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 17, 2016 11:11:53 GMT -5
Kanye should produce Noel. His albums always have the best production and the BIG moments always hit so hard and just right. I'm not kidding either. No. |
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Post by Cast on Feb 17, 2016 11:17:01 GMT -5
Kanye should produce Noel. His albums always have the best production and the BIG moments always hit so hard and just right. I'm not kidding either. I like the idea and feel of 808's more than the actual product. Its such a huge album for his growth though, so its not a bad album just isn't a great one like all the rest, but its very very good. I'd love if Ye produced Noel, but I'd take Kevin Parker or Damon over him because of fit reasons. Hell Parker and Kanye would fit wonderfully. Compressed/fuzzy guitars, big crunch Can beats, with gospel choirs and colorful synths? Forget Ronson, go for dis. |
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