Avant Garde a clue.....I liked parts of Trout, parts of Strictly Personal and most of
Safe As Milk. Aside from those and Clear Spot none of his other records made much
of a dent on me. Oddly enough I'd been frequenting a used record store in So Cal.
for years (where I discovered both the magic and frustration of bootleg albums) when
I learned that one its employees (and the one I was most friendly with) had been a
member of one of his final bands. Richard was his first name. He's in the video of
them on the Letterman Show bopping around on the bass.

As a challenge to myself I'd once sat down with the track Golden Birdies (just 90
seconds long folks) and tried to learn it and just couldn't for the life of me get on top
of it and remember all the changes and stilted rhythms. I asked Richard if they ever
played it. He laughed and said they had but it was, "a beast." I asked him how long it
took him to get a grip on it and he told me he'd spent 2 whole days by himself in his
apartment learning it off the record and still never felt confident about it. "How about
Big Eyed Beans, did you play that?" "Oh yeah. How could we not? That's the greatest
fucking song of all time!" "Was it tough working for him?" "Not as much as I thought it'd
be. He was very specific about what he wanted but as a person nowhere near as off
the wall as all the stories I'd heard had prepared me for. I really enjoyed my time with him."

A month or so later I ran into him at a Robyn Hitchcock show and my friend and I
joined his party where we all discussed Syd Barrett and the merits of Yoko Ono's
Plastic Ono Band record. An enjoyable evening that was.

No way man, i've been listening to their debut for years. Just never heard "OVER" (the Live version) and it's a BIBLICAL performance i've got to say. The closest i've heard of anyone coming close to what The BEATLES had and did. Incredible.

You can hear all of The BEATLES influences in the La's, Merseybeat but also slashed with a unique sound that only Lee Mavers can create. I've got to say I also have "Cast - All Change" and it's not a bad album either. John Power is not a bad songwriter, no Lee Mavers but not bad.

Regarding All Things Must Pass, yes for me too it's my favourite post-Beatles solo album. Imagine probably comes in close but I think ATMP just pips it for the sheer level and quantity of quality songwriting and musicianship. That Phil Spector sound works here. (I know Harrison re-jigged a lot of the tracks without the Spector production in 2001 just before his death but I prefer the originals personally).

Yes I guess Liam making something like that sort of level of quality or DM/WTSMG/BHN would be if he had some songs stored up that he hasn't used.

BUT, don't forget, and I think people here ARE forgetting. Liam DOES have songs. Remember the impromptu performance in Charlestown? What about those songs?

If Liam has 5-6 of those type of songs, chuck in a couple of others that he could write with the help of someone else (For a totally off the wall suggestion what about Nile Rogers? He worked wonders with Bowie and loads and loads of other artists). I think something like that might actually suit Liam. Something totally different.

An album does not need to be super huge (triple album) like ATMP.

Liam said himself he doesn't like double/triple albums. (thequietus.com/articles/06013-beady-eye-on-their-13-favourite-records?page=5 "LG: But triple albums are too much. They’re stupid, aren’t they? Even double albums are too much.")

If Liam has 5-6 tracks in his back pocket and can write 2-3 more with someone else that's enough for a short album.

We don't need to be looking at gargantuan size works like ATMP here. I've got to say though I would LOVE to hear something like the Apple Jam from ATMP for Liam & whoever he works with. Jams from the cutting room floor as it were. Imagine a double vinyl with the album and a 2nd with the jams. Would be epic.

Are we thinking about the same Liam Gallagher? The one who shows his face in public about once every 6 months and about half of them for charity lately? You can say a lot against that man, but hardly that he is acting as a professional celebrity. Or how do you define that? Being childish on Twitter?

I define that type of celebrity I mentioned as  being childish and attention seeking to the public via any medium, including social media. I take your point though he has nowhere near reached the decompression sickness inducing depths of say TOWIE or celebrity BB   As to charity drives I prefer the likes of Pete Gabriel who has alot of efforts go unnoticed and which is IMO charity not self promotion, as alot of celeb appearances on these things inevitably are ( not accusing Liam of it, more pointing out I hadn't noticed his charity appearances tbh as I (rightly or wrongly) switch off when charities wheel out names).

Like I said in my OP I feel lately he has been cultivating a playboy image that has entailed increased social media use with gossip generating comments, so very celeb like to me. As always it is only my opinion and as the song goes "Mistakes? I've made a few, but then again, too many to mention"   (Cheers Frank and Morrissey)

I agree. Liam is capable of doing something new and special, but he needs to forget about Oasis and Noel, although as we all can see he's struggling with it. If you're reading this Liam, Oasis glory is a long gone myth in public's eyes. Noel isn't doing anything spectacular either. Music buisness gone to hell. You're not losing much to be honest. Chill out.