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Post by Flatulence Panic on Feb 3, 2016 14:58:13 GMT -5
Liam just needs to release something.
I'm listening to All Things Must Pass now and it's a fucking great album but George Harrison didn't half release some shite in his solo career ("Extra Texture" anyone?).
I'm sure Liam in conjunction/with help from a songwriter and a top producer could make an album that is a true classic. I mean maybe even bigger or on par with the first 3 Oasis albums. I'm not joking, it could be that good.
Problem Liam (and definitely) Noel has is that they're too scared to move 2 inches to the right of their comfort zone of the Beatles/Stones/Small Faces. The only way to make something truly great is to do that. That's why BHN is so great, they weren't scared to take chances.
"Isn't It A Pity" eh?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 15:02:35 GMT -5
dont see why he doesnt join up with someone else to write his songs, he can put some of his own there, no shame in it imo, many great singers etc have had huge hits not written by themselves or as a co writer.
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 3, 2016 15:07:07 GMT -5
Liam will never write something as good as DOYS, never mind the original trilogy. I think the 'good but not great' level of BE is pretty much his glass ceiling.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 3, 2016 15:30:33 GMT -5
He needs a talented producer, a multi-instrumentalist who will contribute ideas and sounds but not step all over the core of what Liam wants to write. What Lanois did for Dylan or Brian Eno for Bowie. No Chamber/Robbie Williams bollocks please.
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Feb 3, 2016 16:58:44 GMT -5
Liam just needs to release something.That's why BHN is so great, they weren't scared to take chances. Be here now was all the same just louder but I would dare to take out "d'you know what I mean", "magic pie" and "fade in/out", which sound different. The rest? I'm not sure which chances were taken.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Feb 3, 2016 17:14:48 GMT -5
Liam just needs to release something.That's why BHN is so great, they weren't scared to take chances. Be here now was all the same just louder but I would dare to take out "d'you know what I mean", "magic pie" and "fade in/out", which sound different. The rest? I'm not sure which chances were taken. Every song is a chance man. It's an album full of chances. Girl in the dirty shirt, that piano man. If only Liam could write a tune as good as this:
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Feb 3, 2016 17:30:53 GMT -5
I see absolutely no reason to believe Liam could be above average as a songwriter. Honestly, many people here seem to think that, but the facts tell a different story - he has written two or three songs barely on original Oasis level over 15 years, most of his songs are somewhat mediocre. He's an amazing frontman with some good ideas but he would need somebody more talented than him at songwriting to turn those into oasis-quality songs. I can't think of many songwriters who really bloomed in their forties - or at least those who did already had brillant stuff to call their own from their twenties on.
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Feb 3, 2016 17:48:02 GMT -5
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Feb 3, 2016 17:50:38 GMT -5
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Feb 3, 2016 18:24:35 GMT -5
WOW!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2016 18:57:13 GMT -5
better than dm/wtsmg/bhn? i think that's a bit... strong. i don't even think noel could do that nowadays.
IF and this is a big if liam does a solo record... i see lots of 'back after the break'/'world outside my room' type numbers on there (i know, 'break' was written by gem). whereas the first three oasis albums were just full-on mind-blowing rock 'n' roll. but i'm really starting to doubt if he will ever go solo at all. he belongs in a band, as the front man. it comes so natural to him, that's what he was born to do.
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Post by mkoasis on Feb 3, 2016 21:37:09 GMT -5
IF and this is a big if liam does a solo record... i see lots of 'back after the break'/'world outside my room' type numbers on there I would be very, very happy with that. Those are terrific songs and his vocals were on fire too.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Feb 3, 2016 21:58:20 GMT -5
You're having a laugh.
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Post by javitorres86 on Feb 4, 2016 2:17:01 GMT -5
This thread is a joke
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Feb 4, 2016 3:54:23 GMT -5
better than dm/wtsmg/bhn? i think that's a bit... strong. i don't even think noel could do that nowadays. IF and this is a big if liam does a solo record... i see lots of 'back after the break'/'world outside my room' type numbers on there (i know, 'break' was written by gem). whereas the first three oasis albums were just full-on mind-blowing rock 'n' roll. but i'm really starting to doubt if he will ever go solo at all. he belongs in a band, as the front man. it comes so natural to him, that's what he was born to do. Funny how unlike Noel, Liam talked about being rock n roll up until his latest album...but I don't think he has ever written even a half decent rock song. Songbird, IOT, Soul Love, Start Anew, Morning Son, Evil Eye, Wigwam...those are all really mellow.
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Post by draper on Feb 4, 2016 4:17:15 GMT -5
I'm all for an album with songs like 'off at the next exit', 'boy with the blues' etc. I've said it on here before. A stripped down album with songs like that and an acoustic tour. Liam would sing great in an acoustic setting and it would be heralded in the press as a return to form.
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Post by andymorris on Feb 4, 2016 8:40:51 GMT -5
Liam could release a good EP, and an ok LP.
If he's doing 3 good songs a year, that's 3 years since BE, so 9 / 10 songs for 2016 ? maybe...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2016 9:15:41 GMT -5
I don't think Noel or Liam have ever been as high as you must be.
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Post by eva on Feb 4, 2016 9:31:31 GMT -5
I don't see it, no way. Because, this, basically: better than dm/wtsmg/bhn? i think that's a bit... strong. i don't even think noel could do that nowadays. IF and this is a big if liam does a solo record... i see lots of 'back after the break'/'world outside my room' type numbers on there (i know, 'break' was written by gem). whereas the first three oasis albums were just full-on mind-blowing rock 'n' roll. but i'm really starting to doubt if he will ever go solo at all. he belongs in a band, as the front man. it comes so natural to him, that's what he was born to do.
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Post by boneheadsbolero on Feb 4, 2016 10:42:25 GMT -5
Liam needs TO NOT do anything right now. He needs to go underground and disappear for a few more years. No press, no Twitter, no nothing. Media blackout. Let some mystery build over what's going on with him. Let Noel release a few more "play it safe" albums until almost everyone is fed up with Noel's fear of taking artistic risks. Wait for the backlash over that to reach its peak and then return to the fray with something that does take risks. It won't even have to be particularly good as long as it takes chances. BE did that a little but the timing was all wrong. Perhaps look to Albarn for clues. That guy has been making weird, loopy, crapola albums for years and totally getting away with it.
But I've gone off track here. What Biblical wants is a great album. No dice. That ain't on the cards. Not happening. He's capable of something decent enough though. Something a little better than BE. But can he? Will he? Who knows? Stay tuned. In the meantime blow off Noel and dig into something that's literally insane like Captain Beefheart's Trout Mask Replica album and marvel that such a thing ever got distributed by a major label.
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Post by Doc Lobster on Feb 4, 2016 11:38:14 GMT -5
But I've gone off track here. What Biblical wants is a great album. No dice. That ain't on the cards. Not happening. He's capable of something decent enough though. Something a little better than BE. But can he? Will he? Who knows? Stay tuned. In the meantime blow off Noel and dig into something that's literally insane like Captain Beefheart's Trout Mask Replica album and marvel that such a thing ever got distributed by a major label. Now that you've mentioned TMT, note that it was released on Zappa's Straight label at a time when even major labels were taking huge risks. And let's not forget that Zappa got his record contract "by accident" in the first place (through Tom Wilson who based his judgement on a blues tune and only later got to know the real nature of Zappa's music, much to his dismay). There is no way that something so "colourful" as TMT would rise above the underground nowadays. It would be recorded by some crazy guy in his house (much like what the original plan for the album was) with absolutely no budget and be appreciated by 5 people. By the way, TMT might be my favourite rock record of all time. Sadly, I doubt the artists we discuss on this forum would even acknowledge it as music. Noel did joke about Zappa's music, which can be a bit more accessible than Don's stuff, in the DM DVD (but that was the "dark ages" period for Noel).
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Post by boneheadsbolero on Feb 4, 2016 12:34:21 GMT -5
By the way, TMT might be my favourite rock record of all time. Sadly, I doubt the artists we discuss on this forum would even acknowledge it as music. Noel did joke about Zappa's music, which can be a bit more accessible than Don's stuff, in the DM DVD (but that was the "dark ages" period for Noel). Nice to see another with really broad tastes around here. Not a huge fan of that record myself (Clear Spot and Big Eyed Beans From Venus were more my speed). I admire its sheer nerve though. One of my first girlfriends read a rave review of TMR and asked me about it. I told her I had a copy of it and brought it with me next time I came over. This girl was pretty conservative (a big Crowded House fan) and I knew she'd hate it. I could've gone to the least weird songs on it (Ella Guru or Veteran's Day Poppy) but decided to give her the full effect and just dropped the needle on side 1, song 1 and sat back to enjoy her reaction. Within seconds she looks at me with a WTF expression on her face and says, "This is the worst thing I've ever heard." I laughed uproariously and said, "That's nothing. Wait till you hear The Shaggs." She asked how something like TMR could get such a glowing review and told me to turn it off. Didn't even last a minute. Next time I brought over The Shaggs album. She looks at the cover and starts laughing. I go right to My Pal Foot Foot. She shakes her head, begins laughing again and says, "You're right, this is even worse than that other one. Much worse." I reply, "I know. Ain't it great?" "You're a nut," was her answer. Yup, I sez, and proud of it!
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Post by Doc Lobster on Feb 4, 2016 13:47:10 GMT -5
By the way, TMT might be my favourite rock record of all time. Sadly, I doubt the artists we discuss on this forum would even acknowledge it as music. Noel did joke about Zappa's music, which can be a bit more accessible than Don's stuff, in the DM DVD (but that was the "dark ages" period for Noel). Nice to see another with really broad tastes around here. Not a huge fan of that record myself (Clear Spot and Big Eyed Beans From Venus were more my speed). I admire its sheer nerve though. One of my first girlfriends read a rave review of TMR and asked me about it. I told her I had a copy of it and brought it with me next time I came over. This girl was pretty conservative (a big Crowded House fan) and I knew she'd hate it. I could've gone to the least weird songs on it (Ella Guru or Veteran's Day Poppy) but decided to give her the full effect and just dropped the needle on side 1, song 1 and sat back to enjoy her reaction. Within seconds she looks at me with a WTF expression on her face and says, "This is the worst thing I've ever heard." I laughed uproariously and said, "That's nothing. Wait till you hear The Shaggs." She asked how something like TMR could get such a glowing review and told me to turn it off. Didn't even last a minute. Next time I brought over The Shaggs album. She looks at the cover and starts laughing. I go right to My Pal Foot Foot. She shakes her head, begins laughing again and says, "You're right, this is even worse than that other one. Much worse." I reply, "I know. Ain't it great?" "You're a nut," was her answer. Yup, I sez, and proud of it! Have you heard Shiny Beast and Lick My Decals Off, Baby? I think those two would ease your way into Trout Mask Replica. Doc At the Radar Station is the other "difficult" record, but it's much more punk and new wave and may be a little easier in some respects too. (For anyone reading this, Safe as Milk is the perfect place to start with Beefheart, especially if you're into 60s stuff.) To be fair to that girl, The Shaggs were a shit group, although the polyrythmic pop idea could have been good in the hands of a competent band. I can guess what Zappa saw in them, but he was clearly taking the piss, as with Wild Man Fischer.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Feb 4, 2016 14:06:01 GMT -5
unless oasis get back i reckon this is the last we see of liam making any form of music
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Post by Adam on Feb 4, 2016 16:22:11 GMT -5
unless oasis get back i reckon this is the last we see of liam making any form of music I'm sorry to say I agree. I'd love to hear a solo album and would only want it to be a commercial hit for Liam's self-confidence, but I doubt it's coming and I doubt he'll be interested in performing in any band not named Oasis.
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