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Post by madferitusa2025 on Jul 23, 2018 12:20:23 GMT -5
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Post by NicOasis on Jul 23, 2018 20:30:04 GMT -5
This is a terrible performance that needs to be seen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 10:19:50 GMT -5
I dread Noel playing his own Oasis songs now. It's like he's forgotten what was ever great about them. On the Netflix special now he's done, in succession, Half the World Away, Supersonic and Listen Up. In every case he's overcomplicated them and turned them into something they're not. I think he's got wrapped up in this idea that everything he wrote back then is a truly great song. I don't think that's always true with Oasis. Some of the greatness of the songs is Liam, some of it's in the way the melodies are so straightforward, same with the drums etc... So much about their greatness is lost when you start playing around with the melody or introducing weird faux emotion.
It feels weird to be saying that the man who wrote the songs doesn't seem to understand them, but I think that's essentially what I'm saying.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 11:47:25 GMT -5
Without the originals echoing in my mind and heart, I wouldn’t be able to get through the full Netflix set (especially with no Gem there).
Nonetheless, I still would rather Noel does what he wants than what anyone else thinks he should do.
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Post by bestwick8 on Aug 7, 2018 0:21:06 GMT -5
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Post by bt95 on Aug 7, 2018 3:11:51 GMT -5
I dread Noel playing his own Oasis songs now. It's like he's forgotten what was ever great about them. On the Netflix special now he's done, in succession, Half the World Away, Supersonic and Listen Up. In every case he's overcomplicated them and turned them into something they're not. I think he's got wrapped up in this idea that everything he wrote back then is a truly great song. I don't think that's always true with Oasis. Some of the greatness of the songs is Liam, some of it's in the way the melodies are so straightforward, same with the drums etc... So much about their greatness is lost when you start playing around with the melody or introducing weird faux emotion. It feels weird to be saying that the man who wrote the songs doesn't seem to understand them, but I think that's essentially what I'm saying. Can't agree with you here, but that's all part of a forum ey! They're just moved to suit his voice, and a lot of times they're simplified. He's had to put his own spin on them, or if not they are just a poor imitation of Liam. Listen Up, Supersonic, HTWA - they're truly great songs. The version of Listen Up he does is haunting and brilliant. I want to see songs transform and change over the course of 20 years. I want to see different tweaks. If I want to listen to the record version, I'll put the album on and soak in it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 7:46:34 GMT -5
God Help Us All is a fab track!
Fight me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 7:53:25 GMT -5
I dread Noel playing his own Oasis songs now. It's like he's forgotten what was ever great about them. On the Netflix special now he's done, in succession, Half the World Away, Supersonic and Listen Up. In every case he's overcomplicated them and turned them into something they're not. I think he's got wrapped up in this idea that everything he wrote back then is a truly great song. I don't think that's always true with Oasis. Some of the greatness of the songs is Liam, some of it's in the way the melodies are so straightforward, same with the drums etc... So much about their greatness is lost when you start playing around with the melody or introducing weird faux emotion. It feels weird to be saying that the man who wrote the songs doesn't seem to understand them, but I think that's essentially what I'm saying. I'd argue that you don't understand the tunes actually. The writer understands them in a way that you will never understand them. Sure, you can prefer the original recordings thru your lens of nostalgia... that doesn't make those versions a better representation of what the writer had intended though. Personally, I find the various versions of songs add flavor to the songs overall. Do I have preferred versions? Sure do. But that doesn't mean that the writer has somehow bumbled his own tune. To each their own though. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 7, 2018 8:00:26 GMT -5
I dread Noel playing his own Oasis songs now. It's like he's forgotten what was ever great about them. On the Netflix special now he's done, in succession, Half the World Away, Supersonic and Listen Up. In every case he's overcomplicated them and turned them into something they're not. I think he's got wrapped up in this idea that everything he wrote back then is a truly great song. I don't think that's always true with Oasis. Some of the greatness of the songs is Liam, some of it's in the way the melodies are so straightforward, same with the drums etc... So much about their greatness is lost when you start playing around with the melody or introducing weird faux emotion. It feels weird to be saying that the man who wrote the songs doesn't seem to understand them, but I think that's essentially what I'm saying. Nonsense. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2018 10:09:17 GMT -5
I dread Noel playing his own Oasis songs now. It's like he's forgotten what was ever great about them. On the Netflix special now he's done, in succession, Half the World Away, Supersonic and Listen Up. In every case he's overcomplicated them and turned them into something they're not. I think he's got wrapped up in this idea that everything he wrote back then is a truly great song. I don't think that's always true with Oasis. Some of the greatness of the songs is Liam, some of it's in the way the melodies are so straightforward, same with the drums etc... So much about their greatness is lost when you start playing around with the melody or introducing weird faux emotion. It feels weird to be saying that the man who wrote the songs doesn't seem to understand them, but I think that's essentially what I'm saying. I'd argue that you don't understand the tunes actually. I did think back about it and it's poor phrasing. I think what I'm saying is that he no longer seems to understand what's great about the songs, as opposed to not understanding the songs themselves. Supersonic played acoustically is basically just a nonsensical stream of words, so it doesn't stand up to Noel singing it like it's a heartfelt ballad for me. It's only when you put the drums, Liam, the power chords etc on it that it becomes something great. There's a video somewhere where Gem talks about the song and I can't remember how exactly he puts it, but it's something about the song being slightly too slow that makes it great. Stuff like that. I think Noel has some truly great songs that remain great however you play them, but a lot of his songs are as much about the recording as the songs themselves. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 7, 2018 10:41:20 GMT -5
I'd argue that you don't understand the tunes actually. I did think back about it and it's poor phrasing. I think what I'm saying is that he no longer seems to understand what's great about the songs, as opposed to not understanding the songs themselves. Supersonic played acoustically is basically just a nonsensical stream of words, so it doesn't stand up to Noel singing it like it's a heartfelt ballad for me. It's only when you put the drums, Liam, the power chords etc on it that it becomes something great. There's a video somewhere where Gem talks about the song and I can't remember how exactly he puts it, but it's something about the song being slightly too slow that makes it great. Stuff like that. I think Noel has some truly great songs that remain great however you play them, but a lot of his songs are as much about the recording as the songs themselves. Now this I can get behind. |
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Post by drummert5 on Aug 7, 2018 11:42:35 GMT -5
There's a video somewhere where Gem talks about the song and I can't remember how exactly he puts it, but it's something about the song being slightly too slow that makes it great. Stuff like that. I can't remember the precise interview either but Gem talked about the studio version of Supersonic feeling like "running in a swimming pool." It's a great description. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Aug 7, 2018 14:17:24 GMT -5
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Post by crisppacket on Aug 7, 2018 15:16:37 GMT -5
It's like Liam's walk. He is actually walking fast and slow at the same time hahahaha. He is actually walking really fast but when you look at his arms, body and head it looks like he is walking really slow. It's really hard to explain :-) The only way to really experience songs like Supersonic and Shakermaker is to walk like Liam through the streets on sunny day and listen to those songs on your headphones.   So basically like slowly walking down the hall, but faster than a cannonball |
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Post by mkoasis on Aug 7, 2018 21:50:49 GMT -5
I'm so glad we finally got to hear the live acoustic version of WTSRTS. I really hope it gets more of a chance to shine in future set lists.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Aug 8, 2018 7:38:08 GMT -5
I think Noel's band is very good, but they are about as far removed from the old Oasis days as you can possibly be. Everyone of them is a professional musician. They sound tight and they put on a tight show, but the entertainment factor isn't there. I can only imagine the touring side of it is a lot more relaxed
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Post by matt on Aug 8, 2018 7:55:34 GMT -5
I dread Noel playing his own Oasis songs now. It's like he's forgotten what was ever great about them. On the Netflix special now he's done, in succession, Half the World Away, Supersonic and Listen Up. In every case he's overcomplicated them and turned them into something they're not. I think he's got wrapped up in this idea that everything he wrote back then is a truly great song. I don't think that's always true with Oasis. Some of the greatness of the songs is Liam, some of it's in the way the melodies are so straightforward, same with the drums etc... So much about their greatness is lost when you start playing around with the melody or introducing weird faux emotion. It feels weird to be saying that the man who wrote the songs doesn't seem to understand them, but I think that's essentially what I'm saying. Can't agree with you here, but that's all part of a forum ey! They're just moved to suit his voice, and a lot of times they're simplified. He's had to put his own spin on them, or if not they are just a poor imitation of Liam. Listen Up, Supersonic, HTWA - they're truly great songs. The version of Listen Up he does is haunting and brilliant. I want to see songs transform and change over the course of 20 years. I want to see different tweaks. If I want to listen to the record version, I'll put the album on and soak in it. If someone doesn’t think these are truly great songs, with or without Liam, then they can’t be a serious Oasis fan. |
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Post by Parka Flames on Aug 8, 2018 8:20:21 GMT -5
It's like Liam's walk. He is actually walking fast and slow at the same time hahahaha. He is actually walking really fast but when you look at his arms, body and head it looks like he is walking really slow. It's really hard to explain :-) The only way to really experience songs like Supersonic and Shakermaker is to walk like Liam through the streets on sunny day and listen to those songs on your headphones. This, I think, is why every Oasis video features shots of people walking. It's great walking music. |
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Post by bt95 on Aug 8, 2018 8:57:27 GMT -5
I think Noel's band is very good, but they are about as far removed from the old Oasis days as you can possibly be. Everyone of them is a professional musician. They sound tight and they put on a tight show, but the entertainment factor isn't there. I can only imagine the touring side of it is a lot more relaxed I've been thoroughly entertained the three times I've seen him on this tour - Tramlines a few weeks ago the highlight. Just as I've been thoroughly entertained when I've seen Liam at Leeds fest, in Amsterdam and at Finsbury. |
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Post by bt95 on Aug 8, 2018 9:00:30 GMT -5
Can't agree with you here, but that's all part of a forum ey! They're just moved to suit his voice, and a lot of times they're simplified. He's had to put his own spin on them, or if not they are just a poor imitation of Liam. Listen Up, Supersonic, HTWA - they're truly great songs. The version of Listen Up he does is haunting and brilliant. I want to see songs transform and change over the course of 20 years. I want to see different tweaks. If I want to listen to the record version, I'll put the album on and soak in it. If someone doesn’t think these are truly great songs, with or without Liam, then they can’t be a serious Oasis fan. Think that's harsh tbf, it's all down to opinion at the end of the day. I have always leaned towards Noel. I can relate more to Noel, in terms of character I'm more similar to him than Liam (not that I know either of them, obviously, but I can have a pretty good guess that I'm a lot more Noel's ying than Liam's yang). But I do like to see songs evolve and change. I prefer certain versions, sure. The record version of Supersonic still makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. But I like Noel's acoustic version - especially since I figured out how to play it that way, rather than in the initial key/style - as well. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Aug 8, 2018 22:25:19 GMT -5
I did think back about it and it's poor phrasing. I think what I'm saying is that he no longer seems to understand what's great about the songs, as opposed to not understanding the songs themselves. Supersonic played acoustically is basically just a nonsensical stream of words, so it doesn't stand up to Noel singing it like it's a heartfelt ballad for me. It's only when you put the drums, Liam, the power chords etc on it that it becomes something great. There's a video somewhere where Gem talks about the song and I can't remember how exactly he puts it, but it's something about the song being slightly too slow that makes it great. Stuff like that. I think Noel has some truly great songs that remain great however you play them, but a lot of his songs are as much about the recording as the songs themselves. Now this I can get behind. W This isn't sport; this is to put meat on the table...... Thanks. |
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Post by Let It Bleed on Aug 8, 2018 22:57:15 GMT -5
I'd argue that you don't understand the tunes actually. I did think back about it and it's poor phrasing. I think what I'm saying is that he no longer seems to understand what's great about the songs, as opposed to not understanding the songs themselves. Supersonic played acoustically is basically just a nonsensical stream of words, so it doesn't stand up to Noel singing it like it's a heartfelt ballad for me. It's only when you put the drums, Liam, the power chords etc on it that it becomes something great. There's a video somewhere where Gem talks about the song and I can't remember how exactly he puts it, but it's something about the song being slightly too slow that makes it great. Stuff like that. I think Noel has some truly great songs that remain great however you play them, but a lot of his songs are as much about the recording as the songs themselves. I learnt in recent years.....Noël means 'Christmas' in french; I think 'Noël' means Santa Claus or 'claus' in Portuguese or German; 'Noél' means 'motherfuckér' in English..... Thanks. |
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Post by DCUnited on Aug 8, 2018 23:04:50 GMT -5
Can't agree with you here, but that's all part of a forum ey! They're just moved to suit his voice, and a lot of times they're simplified. He's had to put his own spin on them, or if not they are just a poor imitation of Liam. Listen Up, Supersonic, HTWA - they're truly great songs. The version of Listen Up he does is haunting and brilliant. I want to see songs transform and change over the course of 20 years. I want to see different tweaks. If I want to listen to the record version, I'll put the album on and soak in it. If someone doesn’t think these are truly great songs, with or without Liam, then they can’t be a serious Oasis fan. Pffffft |
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Post by joladella on Aug 15, 2018 13:13:55 GMT -5
Wanted to listen to CY after a long, long time and by mistake put in the bonus CD. Good mistake, I totally forgot how much I love "Freaky teeth". Certainly one of my favorite NGHFB songs.
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Post by crisppacket on Aug 16, 2018 16:13:36 GMT -5
Awesome
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