|
|
Post by ChampagneHypernova on Feb 28, 2024 12:59:48 GMT -5
getting in the mood with HC Force of Nature is amazing ! To me it's amazing at being utterly shit. Too slow tempo, too polished production and Liam should have sung it. |
|
|
|
Post by The Escapist on Feb 28, 2024 13:47:43 GMT -5
Listening to Heathen Chemistry for my post-2000 track lists this week honestly saddened me a little.
For Noel to go from the Beatles-level genius of the mid-nineties, where he would throw pre-choruses and bridges and hypnotic verses into every song at a truly dizzying rate of melodic flow, all swirling in layers of distorted guitars, to the point where songs like "Headshrinker" and "Fade Away" were not just b-sides, but deservedly so, to arriving in a place just six years later where he was offering up "Force of Nature", "She is Love", or "All in my Mind" for the album tracks while shipping half the credits out to the likes of Andy Bell to fill up with "Hung in a Bad Place", just fucking kills me. From a hurricane to a puddle in the time Radiohead take to tune a guitar.
I know, I know: the singles, it sold well, Songbird is a good tune, stop being such a fucking wet-wipe, etc.
But Oasis are one of those bands that really mean something to you when you love them, and the plane-crash of quality that took place from "the most powerful force in music" in 1996 to "Maybe buy this album for your Dad for Christmas" in 2002 is such a fucking shame. If they'd just been a bit cleverer about Be Here Now and the new sound they wanted after that, there really could have been no stopping them. Noel with confidence is always a great song-writer, and Liam Gallagher is Liam Gallagher. There was always magic in there which never came out.
Still, "Songbird" is still lovely. "Stop Crying Your Heart Out" still has that magnetic chorus.
But fuck me, there is some absolute shite from that period.
|
|
|
|
Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 28, 2024 13:57:06 GMT -5
Listening to Heathen Chemistry for my post-2000 track lists this week honestly saddened me a little. For Noel to go from the Beatles-level genius of the mid-nineties, where he would throw pre-choruses and bridges and hypnotic verses into every song at a truly dizzying rate of melodic flow, all swirling in layers of distorted guitars, to the point where songs like "Headshrinker" and "Fade Away" were not just b-sides, but deservedly so, to arriving in a place just six years later where he was offering up "Force of Nature", "She is Love", or "All in my Mind" for the album tracks while shipping half the credits out to the likes of Andy Bell to fill up with "Hung in a Bad Place", just fucking kills me. From a hurricane to a puddle in the same amount of time as Radiohead take to tune a guitar. I know, I know: the singles, it sold well, Songbird is a good tune, stop being such a fucking wet-wipe, etc. But Oasis are one of those bands that really mean something to you when you love them, and the plane-crash of quality that took place from "the most powerful force in music" in 1996 to "Maybe buy this album for your Dad for Christmas" in 2002 is such a fucking shame. If they'd just been a bit cleverer about Be Here Now and the new sound they wanted after that, there really could have been no stopping them. Noel with confidence is always a great song-writer, and Liam Gallagher is Liam Gallagher. There was always magic in there which never came out. Still, "Songbird" is still lovely. "Stop Crying Your Heart Out" still has that magnetic chorus. But fuck me, there is some absolute shite from that period. I remember trying to come up with an alternative tracklist I'd be happy with. I think it was an EP. |
|
|
|
Post by The Escapist on Feb 28, 2024 14:02:36 GMT -5
Listening to Heathen Chemistry for my post-2000 track lists this week honestly saddened me a little. For Noel to go from the Beatles-level genius of the mid-nineties, where he would throw pre-choruses and bridges and hypnotic verses into every song at a truly dizzying rate of melodic flow, all swirling in layers of distorted guitars, to the point where songs like "Headshrinker" and "Fade Away" were not just b-sides, but deservedly so, to arriving in a place just six years later where he was offering up "Force of Nature", "She is Love", or "All in my Mind" for the album tracks while shipping half the credits out to the likes of Andy Bell to fill up with "Hung in a Bad Place", just fucking kills me. From a hurricane to a puddle in the same amount of time as Radiohead take to tune a guitar. I know, I know: the singles, it sold well, Songbird is a good tune, stop being such a fucking wet-wipe, etc. But Oasis are one of those bands that really mean something to you when you love them, and the plane-crash of quality that took place from "the most powerful force in music" in 1996 to "Maybe buy this album for your Dad for Christmas" in 2002 is such a fucking shame. If they'd just been a bit cleverer about Be Here Now and the new sound they wanted after that, there really could have been no stopping them. Noel with confidence is always a great song-writer, and Liam Gallagher is Liam Gallagher. There was always magic in there which never came out. Still, "Songbird" is still lovely. "Stop Crying Your Heart Out" still has that magnetic chorus. But fuck me, there is some absolute shite from that period. I remember trying to come up with an alternative tracklist I'd be happy with. I think it was an EP. If the Chinese ever need to devise a new method of torture, then weighing up the benefits of "Better Man" against "Thank You for the - fucking - Good Times" should do the trick. |
|
|
|
Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 28, 2024 14:03:50 GMT -5
I remember trying to come up with an alternative tracklist I'd be happy with. I think it was an EP. If the Chinese ever need to devise a new method of torture, then weighing up the benefits of "Better Man" against "Thank You for the - fucking - Good Times" should do the trick. Agreed. Although I reserve the right to love Better Man live at MTV Superdry |
|
|
|
Post by niftium on Feb 28, 2024 14:35:03 GMT -5
Good as SOTSOG is, the quality:mediocrity ratio on HC > SOTSOG. But I do think (and I've said this before) that beginning with HC, Oasis became an Oasis cover band. Success meant losing their authenticity and it's hard to get that back.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Escapist on Feb 28, 2024 14:35:04 GMT -5
On a more positive note:
Going back to the 2000's albums has made me understand the general love for Don't Believe the Truth.
Even packed with mediocre songs, the album has a care-free and light-hearted feel which Oasis otherwise failed to recapture after the nineties; it's the kind of album that makes you want to sit in the sunshine with a pint of beer and just enjoy Oasis being Oasis, with some catchy chorus and rocking atmospheres and entirely British pop sensibilities. It sounds, most of the time, like a band who are having fun being in that band, not pushing themselves but not dragging themselves either. That should be the bare minimum, but with the gloom of Standing on the Shoulders of Giants on one side and the apocalyptic grooves of their final album on the other, this one does stand out as being simply more fun. I think I'll be going back to it more often now than I used to.
|
|
|
|
Post by Firefly on Feb 28, 2024 15:52:50 GMT -5
Were we too hard on Oasis ? HC is fucking great. Just read the more recent posts, some still are! Lot of Oasis fans have always been one step away from hating the band they claim to love. Never got the heavy criticism. Have loved pretty much everything they've done and no real complaints. Sure there are some dire songs on some of the albums but I just don't care about those. I listen to the songs I love and don't listen to the songs I don't love. Works for me. And yeah, HC is great. |
|
|
|
Post by Sadie on Feb 28, 2024 16:42:05 GMT -5
On a more positive note: Going back to the 2000's albums has made me understand the general love for Don't Believe the Truth.Even packed with mediocre songs, the album has a care-free and light-hearted feel which Oasis otherwise failed to recapture after the nineties; it's the kind of album that makes you want to sit in the sunshine with a pint of beer and just enjoy Oasis being Oasis, with some catchy chorus and rocking atmospheres and entirely British pop sensibilities. It sounds, most of the time, like a band who are having fun being in that band, not pushing themselves but not dragging themselves either. That should be the bare minimum, but with the gloom of Standing on the Shoulders of Giants on one side and the apocalyptic grooves of their final album on the other, this one does stand out as being simply more fun. I think I'll be going back to it more often now than I used to. This is exactly how I feel about that record and why I've always loved it! No it's not as good as the first two albums but it's a fun record |
|
|
|
Post by The Escapist on Feb 28, 2024 17:16:31 GMT -5
On a more positive note: ow Going back to the 2000's albums has made me understand the general love for Don't Believe the Truth.Even packed with mediocre songs, the album has a care-free and light-hearted feel which Oasis otherwise failed to recapture after the nineties; it's the kind of album that makes you want to sit in the sunshine with a pint of beer and just enjoy Oasis being Oasis, with some catchy chorus and rocking atmospheres and entirely British pop sensibilities. It sounds, most of the time, like a band who are having fun being in that band, not pushing themselves but not dragging themselves either. That should be the bare minimum, but with the gloom of Standing on the Shoulders of Giants on one side and the apocalyptic grooves of their final album on the other, this one does stand out as being simply more fun. I think I'll be going back to it more often now than I used to. This is exactly how I feel about that record and why I've always loved it! No it's not as good as the first two albums but it's a fun record Can I See it Now??? I Can See it Now!!!! |
|
|
|
Post by jezza2 on Feb 28, 2024 19:34:32 GMT -5
Count down till the 25th anniversary deluxe edition starts now  |
|
|
|
Post by The Chief on Feb 29, 2024 7:12:23 GMT -5
Sorry, posted this in the wrong thread...
|
|
|
|
Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 29, 2024 7:16:27 GMT -5
Count down till the 25th anniversary deluxe edition starts now Get ready for your picture vinyl! |
|
|
|
Post by matt on Feb 29, 2024 10:01:54 GMT -5
On a more positive note: Going back to the 2000's albums has made me understand the general love for Don't Believe the Truth.Even packed with mediocre songs, the album has a care-free and light-hearted feel which Oasis otherwise failed to recapture after the nineties; it's the kind of album that makes you want to sit in the sunshine with a pint of beer and just enjoy Oasis being Oasis, with some catchy chorus and rocking atmospheres and entirely British pop sensibilities. It sounds, most of the time, like a band who are having fun being in that band, not pushing themselves but not dragging themselves either. That should be the bare minimum, but with the gloom of Standing on the Shoulders of Giants on one side and the apocalyptic grooves of their final album on the other, this one does stand out as being simply more fun. I think I'll be going back to it more often now than I used to. I think it's their fourth best album (fifth if you include Masterplan compilation), after the obvious two and Be Here Now. I was listening to it on the train yesterday. It's light, it doesn't lumber around and flows decently. Liam's songwriting is really important on this album as it lifts it for me, even the much derided Meaning of Soul is fine as a wee interlude. I actually like its simple acoustic punky charm. The only ones I couldn't really manage were A Bell Will Ring and Keep The Dream Alive, but I was surprised that I didn't hate them like I used to and that they were okay at worst. It's a good album. Nothing more, nothing less. Yes, the album could and should have been better what with the material that was floating around at the time, and maybe its ultimate peaks are not as high as their other albums from that era but, unlike the others, it doesn't descend to the depths of depravity. It's consistently good, and entirely listenable for me. |
|
|
|
Post by carlober on Feb 29, 2024 11:04:38 GMT -5
Count down till the 25th anniversary deluxe edition starts now Get ready for your picture vinyl! Can't wait for the beer mats and the official-store-exclusive keychain. |
|
|
|
Post by The Escapist on Feb 29, 2024 13:18:02 GMT -5
On a more positive note: Going back to the 2000's albums has made me understand the general love for Don't Believe the Truth.Even packed with mediocre songs, the album has a care-free and light-hearted feel which Oasis otherwise failed to recapture after the nineties; it's the kind of album that makes you want to sit in the sunshine with a pint of beer and just enjoy Oasis being Oasis, with some catchy chorus and rocking atmospheres and entirely British pop sensibilities. It sounds, most of the time, like a band who are having fun being in that band, not pushing themselves but not dragging themselves either. That should be the bare minimum, but with the gloom of Standing on the Shoulders of Giants on one side and the apocalyptic grooves of their final album on the other, this one does stand out as being simply more fun. I think I'll be going back to it more often now than I used to. I think it's their fourth best album (fifth if you include Masterplan compilation), after the obvious two and Be Here Now. I was listening to it on the train yesterday. It's light, it doesn't lumber around and flows decently. Liam's songwriting is really important on this album as it lifts it for me, even the much derided Meaning of Soul is fine as a wee interlude. I actually like its simple acoustic punky charm. The only ones I couldn't really manage were A Bell Will Ring and Keep The Dream Alive, but I was surprised that I didn't hate them like I used to and that they were okay at worst. It's a good album. Nothing more, nothing less. Yes, the album could and should have been better what with the material that was floating around at the time, and maybe its ultimate peaks are not as high as their other albums from that era but, unlike the others, it doesn't descend to the depths of depravity. It's consistently good, and entirely listenable for me. I'm with you. One thing I'll add is that "Pass Me Down the Wine" is one of the most underrated Oasis b-sides going. It's a genuinely well-written, sun-splashed, guitar-pop tune. It's even got a taste of more colourful influences in there, and has an instant place on my version of the album. |
|
|
|
Post by mahsteve on Feb 29, 2024 13:51:35 GMT -5
I don’t normally watch reaction videos, I’m not sure what the point is?
This guy watches the video for TSOTL then plays the drums to it. Scroll through to 7:00 to see him drumming. He smashes it and manages to almost get the solo too! Talented guy
Now this lad absolutely smashes it beat for beat
|
|
|
|
Post by Casino Boogie on Feb 29, 2024 14:35:44 GMT -5
I'm with you. One thing I'll add is that "Pass Me Down the Wine" is one of the most underrated Oasis b-sides going. It's a genuinely well-written, sun-splashed, guitar-pop tune. It's even got a taste of more colourful influences in there, and has an instant place on my version of the album. I love Pass Me Down The Wine - one of my favourite Liam tunes. I wonder if it was on the album before they added Lyla and Let There Be Love? I'm a big fan of DBTT - like others have said its got a consistency and lightness. The only thing that's always in the back of my mind is all the songs that could / should have been on there. I've got a playlist of: Can Y'See It Now Eyeball Tickler Pass Me Down The Wine Lord Don't Slow Me Down Ain't Got Nothing (leaked version) Stop The Clocks (leaked version) Record Machine (leaked version) She Must Be One Of Us Just Let It Come Down Over Me The Good Rebel (Faster Than The Speed Of Magic Demo) Boy With The Blues (DOYS Bonus Disc) Man Of Misery (Beady Eye B-side) The Roller (DGSS) The Morning Son (DGSS) The Meaning Of Soul (Live) Rock 'n' Roll Star (Live) |
|
|
|
Post by Casino Boogie on Feb 29, 2024 14:39:00 GMT -5
I have one of those discs now. An instrumental soundcheck / live session from 2005 direct from the soundboard 1. Turn Up The Sun 2. Mucky Fingers 3. Lord Don't Slow Me Down 4. Ain't Got Nothin' 5. Love Like A Bomb 6. A Bell Will Ring 7. The Meaning Of Soul 8. Eyeball Tickler 9. Keep The Dream Alive Could this by any chance be a run through of potential tracks recorded early on in the Death in Vegas sessions? Just to test out the waters. Because the tracks performed PERFECTLY match what we know was available or written at this point in time, circa early 2004. No Lyla, Idle, Queue etc., which were all written or finished afterwards. Why would they soundcheck or rehearse those run of songs otherwise? This very running order seems peculiar to me. Can you tell if it's Whitey or Zak (or even Terry Kirkbride) on drums? Edit: 1,000th post. Time just flies fucking by. Is the disc dated 2005 or is that date just a guess? Would love to hear a band run through of Lord Don't Slow Me Down and Keep The Dream Alive (even without the vocals). |
|
|
|
Post by The Escapist on Feb 29, 2024 14:54:39 GMT -5
I love Pass Me Down The Wine - one of my favourite Liam tunes. I wonder if it was on the album before they added Lyla and Let There Be Love? I'm a big fan of DBTT - like others have said its got a consistency and lightness. The only thing that's always in the back of my mind is all the songs that could / should have been on there. I've got a playlist of: Can Y'See It Now  Eyeball Tickler Pass Me Down The Wine Lord Don't Slow Me Down Ain't Got Nothing (leaked version) Stop The Clocks (leaked version) Record Machine (leaked version) She Must Be One Of Us Just Let It Come Down Over Me The Good Rebel (Faster Than The Speed Of Magic Demo) Boy With The Blues (DOYS Bonus Disc) Man Of Misery (Beady Eye B-side) The Roller (DGSS) The Morning Son (DGSS) The Meaning Of Soul (Live) Rock 'n' Roll Star (Live) My version, as of this week:  And I have to say, I really like it. The second half, after the first interlude of "Can Y'See It, Now??", flows perfectly. I have to say that splitting up that instrumental for interludes works like a dream; the first one just introducing the cool riff and then the second one returning it but with Noel's refrain gives the album a natural sense of both cohesion and progression. And then, you can save other tracks like "Record Machine" and "Boy With the Blues" for the next album (right, Noel?) and still deliver the return-to-form album here. It's a good record! ("Lyla" has been trimmed in the first two choruses, and "Let there Be Love" sped up somewhat). |
|
|
|
Post by welshylad on Feb 29, 2024 16:01:54 GMT -5
Could this by any chance be a run through of potential tracks recorded early on in the Death in Vegas sessions? Just to test out the waters. Because the tracks performed PERFECTLY match what we know was available or written at this point in time, circa early 2004. No Lyla, Idle, Queue etc., which were all written or finished afterwards. Why would they soundcheck or rehearse those run of songs otherwise? This very running order seems peculiar to me. Can you tell if it's Whitey or Zak (or even Terry Kirkbride) on drums? Edit: 1,000th post. Time just flies fucking by. Is the disc dated 2005 or is that date just a guess? Would love to hear a band run through of Lord Don't Slow Me Down and Keep The Dream Alive (even without the vocals). Its just a guess, could be 2004? Theres no dates on the CD KTDA is the best song on there, it has a long outro that would have been immense if they played it on the tour, also goes into I Am The Resurrection |
|
|
|
Post by niftium on Feb 29, 2024 16:44:46 GMT -5
Is the disc dated 2005 or is that date just a guess? Would love to hear a band run through of Lord Don't Slow Me Down and Keep The Dream Alive (even without the vocals). Its just a guess, could be 2004? Theres no dates on the CD
KTDA is the best song on there, it has a long outro that would have been immense if they played it on the tour, also goes into I Am The Resurrection Rarer words have never been uttered. |
|
|
|
Post by Sadie on Feb 29, 2024 17:43:07 GMT -5
Is the disc dated 2005 or is that date just a guess? Would love to hear a band run through of Lord Don't Slow Me Down and Keep The Dream Alive (even without the vocals). Its just a guess, could be 2004? Theres no dates on the CD KTDA is the best song on there, it has a long outro that would have been immense if they played it on the tour, also goes into I Am The Resurrection You have no idea how much I envy you right now for having this cd 😂 |
|
|
|
Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 29, 2024 18:27:06 GMT -5
Its just a guess, could be 2004? Theres no dates on the CD KTDA is the best song on there, it has a long outro that would have been immense if they played it on the tour, also goes into I Am The Resurrection You have no idea how much I envy you right now for having this cd 😂 If I win the lottery Saturday Sadie I’m buying the whole fucking lot! |
|
|
|
Post by welshylad on Mar 1, 2024 5:50:07 GMT -5
Its just a guess, could be 2004? Theres no dates on the CD KTDA is the best song on there, it has a long outro that would have been immense if they played it on the tour, also goes into I Am The Resurrection You have no idea how much I envy you right now for having this cd 😂 It cost my quite a bit of money to have this CD  I know other stuff is out there so I'm trying to use it to trade at the minute. But the intention is definitely to share it with the masses |
|
Nov 4, 2024 5:04:30 GMT -5
Nov 4, 2024 5:04:30 GMT -5