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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 2, 2015 15:57:55 GMT -5
Think this could be an interesting discussion. Obviously not many on here will go for Maggie, and I'd presume Blair will win this but more as a "lesser evil" candidate. But get yer votes out. Margaret Thatcher gets my vote, though. I do have a huge soft spot for Blair, too. Please Also See: The parallel US President thread. EDIT: eva can you please move to UT Section. Thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 16:14:27 GMT -5
Gordon Brown.
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Post by Johnny Rhythm on Dec 2, 2015 16:27:12 GMT -5
fun fact, i once saw gordon brown in my local mcdonalds with his kids having his dinner, was odd
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 2, 2015 16:44:30 GMT -5
None of them.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 2, 2015 18:42:52 GMT -5
Gordon Brown reminds me of Chelsea's Avram Grant.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 2, 2015 18:43:33 GMT -5
I'd actually be tempted to say John Major, I'm no Tory as many of you know but he came over as a nice bloke utterly unsuited to the leadership of a fractious party.
I didn't vote though because its basically none of them. The first options politics are utterly repellent to me, the second I've covered, the third was a con man, the fourth average and the last one is a disgusting rubber faced vagina.
Oh and well done tonight Labour you fucking pricks. Going to have to think about who I vote from now on. Probably the greens.
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Post by carryusall on Dec 2, 2015 19:09:25 GMT -5
My God, they're all terrible. But John major was born in the same hospital as me, went to the same school as a lot of my mates and lived in Brixton.
And never fucked a dead pig.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 2, 2015 20:20:29 GMT -5
I'd actually be tempted to say John Major, I'm no Tory as many of you know but he came over as a nice bloke utterly unsuited to the leadership of a fractious party. I didn't vote though because its basically none of them. The first options politics are utterly repellent to me, the second I've covered, the third was a con man, the fourth average and the last one is a disgusting rubber faced vagina. Oh and well done tonight Labour you fucking pricks. Going to have to think about who I vote from now on. Probably the greens. No point voting Greens, with the archaic voting system we've got, they'll never get in. I'm still sticking with Corbyn and Labour; I just hope we can wheedle out the Blaireite shits between now and 2020. |
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Post by Greedy's Mighty Sigh on Dec 2, 2015 20:26:33 GMT -5
Its like being asked to choose with pile of dog poo is best
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Post by matt on Dec 2, 2015 20:30:15 GMT -5
As bad as things are, we really don't need the utter incompetence that is the Green Party leading this country. Natalie Bennett is a complete moron who can't grasp basic economics and really takes the biscuit for talking pie-in-the-sky bullshit.
As the German counterpart party said about them in the UK election, "they need to grow up".
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 2, 2015 20:43:09 GMT -5
As bad as things are, we really don't need the utter incompetence that is the Green Party leading this country. Natalie Bennett is a complete moron who can't grasp basic economics and really takes the biscuit for talking pie-in-the-sky bullshit. As the German counterpart party said about them in the UK election, "they need to grow up". Did you see her get interviewed by Andrew Neil, in the run-up to the election? Hasn't a ruddy clue. Dunno why they didn't keep Caroline Lucas on as leader instead, she's one of the only MPs I've got any shred of respect for. I do like that they're bringing up the issue of the Monarchy though. They're the only party that are, and whilst it may not be the biggest issue at present, it still needs to be talked about imo. |
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Post by matt on Dec 2, 2015 20:50:39 GMT -5
By the way, it's not a great choice at all, but I voted John Major.
Yes, he's a Tory but he made it to PM being a working class lad from Brixton who was a bus conductor becoming a politician, so he wasn't privileged into that position unlike the other distant toff wankers in that party. Which obviously made him disliked in his own party, but his own views were much more sympathetic to the working class and that showed with successful welfare reforms providing greater efficiency to public services. And he also began the N. Ireland peace process showing his diplomatic skills between two warring factions which were non-existent with the reactionary cow Thatcher (who refused to talk to any Irish republican) and those on the far left such as current shadow chancellor John McDonnell (an IRA apologist basically). To be fair on Major, he was fighting against a tide where there was ministerial corruption and sleaze that wasn't his fault, and the fact the public were swooning for Blair (which everyone regrets now).
To be honest, I would have voted Blair in 1997 if I was old enough - I largely agree with his centre left politics ideas (and the rest of Scotland does too because the SNP are in no way a socialist party), but what he practiced was totally different from what he preached and he's sadly shat on centre left way of thinking now.
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Post by mkoasis on Dec 2, 2015 21:04:37 GMT -5
I'm not fully knowledgeable about this subject but I found Ed Milliband interesting for some reason. He seemed so awkward, which I generally find appealing.
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Post by matt on Dec 2, 2015 21:14:05 GMT -5
As bad as things are, we really don't need the utter incompetence that is the Green Party leading this country. Natalie Bennett is a complete moron who can't grasp basic economics and really takes the biscuit for talking pie-in-the-sky bullshit. As the German counterpart party said about them in the UK election, "they need to grow up". Did you see her get interviewed by Andrew Neil, in the run-up to the election? Hasn't a ruddy clue. Dunno why they didn't keep Caroline Lucas on as leader instead, she's one of the only MPs I've got any shred of respect for. I do like that they're bringing up the issue of the Monarchy though. They're the only party that are, and whilst it may not be the biggest issue at present, it still needs to be talked about imo. Yes, I think there are good MPs across most parties but the most talented ones do not make the front benches of power because they are too independently minded so they will not follow the party whip from the top. Yeah okay, he made it onto the front bench as leader but I admire Corbyn because of his principled stances - even if I don't agree with him on many things - and also David Davis from the Tories who lost to Cameron in the leadership election 10 years ago, primarily because he rebels against the civil liberty oppression of the government. There's a lot of talent in Westminster but the institutional arrangement doesn't allow for a diversity of views sadly - so we are stuck with Cameron and his nepotism where useless c*nts are given top jobs merely because he went to school with them. It really is a 'jobs for the boys' like culture in government. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 3, 2015 1:38:15 GMT -5
I'd actually be tempted to say John Major, I'm no Tory as many of you know but he came over as a nice bloke utterly unsuited to the leadership of a fractious party. I didn't vote though because its basically none of them. The first options politics are utterly repellent to me, the second I've covered, the third was a con man, the fourth average and the last one is a disgusting rubber faced vagina. Oh and well done tonight Labour you fucking pricks. Going to have to think about who I vote from now on. Probably the greens. No point voting Greens, with the archaic voting system we've got, they'll never get in. I'm still sticking with Corbyn and Labour; I just hope we can wheedle out the Blaireite shits between now and 2020. I would like to do that as well. Hopefully the Chilcot report will finish off the last Blairites but I don't know if Corbyn will make it that far  A lot of Labour never accepted the the result and they are working hard to get rid of him even now. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 3, 2015 1:39:54 GMT -5
As bad as things are, we really don't need the utter incompetence that is the Green Party leading this country. Natalie Bennett is a complete moron who can't grasp basic economics and really takes the biscuit for talking pie-in-the-sky bullshit. As the German counterpart party said about them in the UK election, "they need to grow up". What about the Natural Law Party? Yogic flying looks ace. |
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Post by matt on Dec 3, 2015 10:41:17 GMT -5
No point voting Greens, with the archaic voting system we've got, they'll never get in. I'm still sticking with Corbyn and Labour; I just hope we can wheedle out the Blaireite shits between now and 2020. I would like to do that as well. Hopefully the Chilcot report will finish off the last Blairites but I don't know if Corbyn will make it that far A lot of Labour never accepted the the result and they are working hard to get rid of him even now. What do you mean by 'Blairites'? In terms of Blair henchmen, then yes, none of them will ever see government. They'll be tainted and if Labour enter government again it will be with fresh faces. But if you mean centre left leaning to social democratic politics (of which Blair and Brown were part of), then that will forever prevail over the socialism of Corbyn. 9 million voted for Labour in the election, the majority of them being left of centre, while only a few hundred thousand members voted Corbyn in. So it's only fair that MPs are reflecting the views of their constituents rather than toeing the party line, but the leadership election has to be respected too. What every great leader has to do is compromise rather than rule with an iron fist. One thing is for certain though is that the next Labour Prime Minister will definitely not be Jeremy Corbyn. He's got no chance. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 3, 2015 15:20:56 GMT -5
I would like to do that as well. Hopefully the Chilcot report will finish off the last Blairites but I don't know if Corbyn will make it that far A lot of Labour never accepted the the result and they are working hard to get rid of him even now. What do you mean by 'Blairites'? In terms of Blair henchmen, then yes, none of them will ever see government. They'll be tainted and if Labour enter government again it will be with fresh faces. But if you mean centre left leaning to social democratic politics (of which Blair and Brown were part of), then that will forever prevail over the socialism of Corbyn. 9 million voted for Labour in the election, the majority of them being left of centre, while only a few hundred thousand members voted Corbyn in. So it's only fair that MPs are reflecting the views of their constituents rather than toeing the party line, but the leadership election has to be respected too. What every great leader has to do is compromise rather than rule with an iron fist. One thing is for certain though is that the next Labour Prime Minister will definitely not be Jeremy Corbyn. He's got no chance. No I didn't necessarily mean his henchmen, I mean people that still believe in his style of which there are quite a few disciples remaining in the Labour party. Does it make you more electable? Yes I think it does but I want something different I'm bored of these vaginas I've watched come and go. Blair slating Corbyn after what he did was a fucking disgrace and yet parts of the Labour party stood to attention, it was embarrassing. Yeah only a few hundred thousand voted for Corbyn but that was a majority of the party membership, all that shows is that most Labour voters aren't members like me. Many, many successful leaders have ruled with an iron fist. Deviation from the party line was not tolerated in Blair and Brown's government. The most compromising of recent leaders is Corbyn, his is a different way, an untried way and I only hope he is given the time to give it a go. Really by the end Blair was about as left of centre as Corbyn is a socialist, that's to say they are both not those things. Blair was more leaning to the right and Corbyn may be quite left, he is quite probably a socialist a heart but with his style of inclusion he must know that he could never get away with implementing a fully socialist program. Corbyn might not win the next election but Labour need him. They needed to reset the party and drag it away from spooning the Tories. |
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Post by matt on Dec 3, 2015 16:27:57 GMT -5
What do you mean by 'Blairites'? In terms of Blair henchmen, then yes, none of them will ever see government. They'll be tainted and if Labour enter government again it will be with fresh faces. But if you mean centre left leaning to social democratic politics (of which Blair and Brown were part of), then that will forever prevail over the socialism of Corbyn. 9 million voted for Labour in the election, the majority of them being left of centre, while only a few hundred thousand members voted Corbyn in. So it's only fair that MPs are reflecting the views of their constituents rather than toeing the party line, but the leadership election has to be respected too. What every great leader has to do is compromise rather than rule with an iron fist. One thing is for certain though is that the next Labour Prime Minister will definitely not be Jeremy Corbyn. He's got no chance. No I didn't necessarily mean his henchmen, I mean people that still believe in his style of which there are quite a few disciples remaining in the Labour party. Does it make you more electable? Yes I think it does but I want something different I'm bored of these vaginas I've watched come and go. Blair slating Corbyn after what he did was a fucking disgrace and yet parts of the Labour party stood to attention, it was embarrassing. Yeah only a few hundred thousand voted for Corbyn but that was a majority of the party membership, all that shows is that most Labour voters aren't members like me. Many, many successful leaders have ruled with an iron fist. Deviation from the party line was not tolerated in Blair and Brown's government. The most compromising of recent leaders is Corbyn, his is a different way, an untried way and I only hope he is given the time to give it a go. Really by the end Blair was about as left of centre as Corbyn is a socialist, that's to say they are both not those things. Blair was more leaning to the right and Corbyn may be quite left, he is quite probably a socialist a heart but with his style of inclusion he must know that he could never get away with implementing a fully socialist program. Corbyn might not win the next election but Labour need him. They needed to reset the party and drag it away from spooning the Tories. The problem I have is that every centre left Labour politician is branded a Blairite or a Tory - basically any Labour politician who doesn't call himself a socialist and then the idiots on Twitter take over. That's just ignorant thinking. And Corbyn's ideals of complete central planning are very obviously socialist ways of thinking. Besides, Blair's advocacy for the public sector is in no way right leaning, it doesn't make sense for a start that anyone of any right thinking would undertake those policies - let's remember the Tories have led a poor narrative that such an economic crisis is Labour's fault for spending too much. Labour is a party that is formed to lead a government, not merely exist to be a protest group. Corbyn - himself a decent man - is doing himself no favours by emphasising a morally superior party yet hiring a shadow chancellor in John McDonnell who is a raging left wing nut job to the extent that he was an apologist for IRA terrorism and pallied up with the Workers Revolutionary Party in the 70s which was run by a serial rapist called Gerry Healy and accepted donations from Saddam Hussein and Colonel Gaddafi. The perfect example of 'my enemy's enemy is my friend'. This is the problem of the hard left right here - there are many great morally upright socialists like Dennis Skinner yet it is a movement tainted by many who ally themselves with fundamentalist scumbag dictators, merely because they themselves are anti-western. So then you get apologetic shite from that tool Ken Livingstone stating that the 7/7 bombers were 'protesters' against Blair (despite being radicalised well before the Iraq War - oh yes, and eulogised at Healy's funeral calling his accusers 'scumbags'). And all this from men who put themselves on a pedestal and cry over Blair and Bush! Over the course of history, the hard left actually has a morally repugnant reputation that doesn't in any way make them superior than the neocons they detest. While I don't agree with his economic policies, Corbyn could do a lot better in choosing his allies a bit more closely. Labour exists to be competent and offer a real threat to the Tories - you can't do that with a chancellor who chucks Mao's Red Book across the Commons table, has an awkward history with fundamentalists and offers no credible economic plan. Merely shaking fists at the Tories isn't going to get them any far - in the eyes of the public, they are only protestors rebelling against something without necessarily being for anything. What Labour needs is a modern Attlee - social democratic, not socialist (Britain and Labour has never had a socialist PM, Macdonald's came closest) and someone who can offer a credible alternative within the confines of reality. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Dec 3, 2015 16:48:06 GMT -5
FUCK TONY BLAIR!!!
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Post by globe on Dec 4, 2015 3:42:35 GMT -5
Blair is a war criminal, he should be arrested.
Major, the guy who's government was preaching to us about "family values" and "back to basics" when half of them were taking part of all sort of sleazy stuff, including himself shagging Edwina Currie (pass the sick bucket), a total c.unt.
Brown - a good guy at heart but built an economy on a house of cards when he was chancellor.
Cameron - a multi-millionaire who has led a life of privilege but who thinks we are all "in it together". No money for the NHS, brands vulnerable people as scroungers, but he finds billions to drop bombs on Syria, an even bigger c.unt than Major
Last but not least, my favourite of them all, Thatcher - not much else to say other then I hope the evil witch is burning in hell.
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Post by oasisserbia on Dec 4, 2015 4:29:59 GMT -5
Wars involving the United Kingdom (1707 – 2015 and slightly before)
The Great Northern War (1700–1721)
The War of the Spanish Succession Including Queen Anne’s War (1701–1714)
Civil War: Jacobite rising of 1715 including the uprising in Cornwall (1715–1716)
The War of the Quadruple Alliance including The Nineteen Uprising in Britain
(1717–1720)
Dummer’s War (1721–1725)
The War of the Austrian Succession (1740–1748)
Including King George’s War/The War of Jenkins’ Ear (Start 1739)
The First Carnatic War
Civil War: Jacobite rising of 1745 (1741–1745)
The Second Carnatic War (1749–1754)
Seven Years’ War (1756–1763)
The Third Carnatic War (1757–1763)
Anglo-Cherokee War (1758–1761)
Tacky’s War (1760)
Pontiac’s Rebellion (1763–1766)
First Anglo-Mysore War (1766–1769)
First Anglo-Maratha War (1774–1783)
American Revolutionary War/War of Independence (1775–1783)
including:Anglo-French War/Anglo-Spanish War/Fourth Anglo-Dutch War
2nd Anglo-Mysore War (1780–1784)
Northwest Indian War (1785–1795)
3rd Anglo-Mysore War (1789–1792)
Haitian Revolution (1791–1804)
French Revolutionary Wars (1793–1802)
War in the Vendée (1793–1796)
Second Maroon War (1795–1796)
Hawkesbury and Nepean Wars (1795–1816)
Kandyan Wars (1796–1818)
Irish Rebellion of 1798 (1798)
4th Anglo-Mysore War (1798–1799)
1839–1851 Uruguayan Civil War
1868 Expedition to Abyssinia (1868)
4th Xhosa War (1811–1812)
5th Xhosa War (1818–1819)
Allied intervention in the Russian Civil War (1918–1920)
Anglo-Aro War (1901–1902)
Anglo-Persian War (1856–1857)
Anglo-Russian War (1807–1812)
Anglo-Turkish War (1807–1809)
Anglo-Zanzibar War (1896)
Anglo-Zulu War (1879)
Ashanti-Fante War (1806–1807)
Baptist War (1831–1832)
Bhutan War (1864–1865)
Bombardment of Greytown (1854)
Bombardment of Kagoshima (1863)
Boxer Rebellion (1899–1901)
British Expedition to Abyssinia (1867–1868)
British Expedition to Ceylon (1803)
British expedition to Tibet (1903–1904)
British invasions of the Río de la Plata (1806–1807)
Emmet’s Insurrection (1803)
Conquest of French Guiana (1809)
Crimean War (1853–1856)
English Wars (Scandinavia) (1807–1814)
Estonian War of Independence (1918–1920)
First Anglo-Afghan War (1839–1842)
First Anglo-Burmese War (1824–1826)
First Anglo-Sikh War (1845–1846)
First Ashanti War (1823–1831)
First Boer War (1880–1881)
First Carlist War (1833–1840)
First Kandyan War (1803–1805)
First Opium War (1839–1842)
First Taranaki War (1860–1861)
Second Māori War
Flagstaff War (1845–1846)
Freedom Expedition of Peru (1820)
Ga-Fante War (1811)
Great Iraqi Revolution of 1920 (1920)
Greek War of Independence (1820–1830)
Gunboat War (1807–1814)
Hundred Days (1815)
War of the Seventh Coalition
Hutt Valley Campaign (1846)
Indian Mutiny (1857–1858)
Invasion of Waikato (1863–1866)
Third Māori War
Irish War of Independence (1919–1920)
Klang War (1867–1874)
Selangor Civil War
Latvian War of Independence (1918–1920)
Mahdist War (1884–1889)
Merina Conquest of Madagascar (1810–1817)
Peninsular War (1807–1814)
Portuguese Civil War (1828–1834)
Rebellions of 1837 (1837–1838)
Red River Rebellion (1869–1869)
Revolt of the Mercenaries (1828)
Second Anglo-Afghan War (1878–1880)
Second Anglo-Burmese War (1852–1853)
Second Anglo-Maratha War (1802–1805)
Second Anglo-Sikh War (1848–1849)
Second Ashanti War (1863–1864)
Second Boer War (1899–1902)
Second Egyptian-Ottoman War (1839–1841)
Second Kandyan War (1815)
Second Opium War (1856–1860)
Arrow War
Sikkim Expedition (1888)
Somaliland campaign (1920) (1920)
Taiping Rebellion (1850–1864)
Te Kooti’s War
Part of the New Zealand land wars (1868–1872)
Temne War (1801–1807)
The 6th Xhosa War (1834–1836)
The 7th Xhosa War (1846–1847)
The War of the Axe
The 8th Xhosa War (1850–1853)
Mlanjeni’s War
The 9th Xhosa War (1877–1879)
The National War in Nicaragua (1856–1857)
Third Anglo-Afghan War (1919–1919)
Third Anglo-Burmese War (1885)
Third Anglo-Maratha War (1817–1818)
Third Ashanti War (1873–1874)
Titokowaru’s War (1868–1869)
Turkish War of Independence (1919–1923)
Wanganui Campaign (1847)
War of the Fifth Coalition (1809)
War of 1812 (1812–1815)
War of the Fourth Coalition (1806–1807)
War of the Sixth Coalition (1812–1814)
War of the Third Coalition (1803–1805)
World War I (1914–1918)
Urabi Revolt (1879–1882)
Adwan Rebellion (1923)
Ikhwan Revolt (1927–1930)
Great Arab Revolt in Palestine (1936–1939)
British–Zionist conflict (1938–1948)
S-Plan16 January 1939 – March 1940
World War II (1939–1945)
Northern Campaign 2 September 1942 – December 1944
Indonesian National Revolution (1945–1949)
Greek Civil War (1944–1948)
Operation Masterdom (1945–1946)
Corfu Channel incident (1946–1948)
Malayan Emergency (1948–1960)
Korean War (1950–1953)
1951 Anglo-Egyptian War (1951–1952)
Mau Mau Uprising (1952–1960)
Jebel Akhdar War (1954–1959)
Cypriot intercommunal violence (1955–1960)
Suez Crisis (1956–1957)
Border Campaign (1956–1962)
Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation (1962–1966)
Dhofar Rebellion (1962–1975)
Aden Emergency (1963–1967)
Nigerian Civil War (1967–1970)
The Troubles (1968–1998)
Falklands War (1982)
Multinational Force in Lebanon (1982–1984)
Gulf War (1991)
Bosnian War (1992–1996)
Operation Desert Fox (1998)
Kosovo War (1998–1999)
Sierra Leone Civil War (2000–2002)
2001 insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia (2001)
War in Afghanistan
Fourth Anglo-Afghan War (2001–2014)
Iraq War (2003–2009)
Libyan Civil War (2011)
Military intervention against ISIL (2014–present)
I like British people, your culture etc. But all your politicians are scumbags and war criminals.
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Dec 12, 2015 14:14:27 GMT -5
none of them there all c_unts
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Post by glider on Dec 12, 2015 14:15:17 GMT -5
Liam Gallagher
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2015 14:28:26 GMT -5
can you imagine his speech at global warming summit? "hello manchester *other leaders boo*, lets use wind yea? them turbines are good d'you know what I mean?, get on it or fuck off, Im out of here youve been the bollocks, live forever *throws mic*" |
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A lot of Labour never accepted the the result and they are working hard to get rid of him even now.
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