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Post by matt on Nov 29, 2015 14:57:38 GMT -5
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34766693It's easy to be suspicious with a lot of Beatles re-releases these days, thinking they are just mere cash ins on music that will inevitably sell by the bucketloads. The 2009 remasters I thought were solely good for the release of the albums in Mono. However, the stereo releases were disappointing in today's surround sound age, in which I thought they merely tidied up the messy stereo mixes that were, after all, only ever an afterthought in the 1960s. However, I picked up the re-release of The Beatles '1' yesterday, enthused by the idea that the master tapes had been remixed into surround sound by George Martin's son Giles. I thought his mixing efforts on Love were very impressive so I had high hopes for this. And wow, did he deliver with this! The Beatles have never sounded greater than this, and I very much doubt they will ever improve on this - this is by far the most impressive re-release I have ever heard from any band. Martin's initial idea was to have the impression that the band were playing right in front of your very eyes. Gone is the compression and now you can hear each and every instrument in full clarity - for instance, there are tiny little acoustic riffs I missed on previous versions and the bass is clearer and less muddy. Yet for all the clarity of the instruments, the vocals and harmonies are crystal clear and dominate the mixes as opposed to merely mingling in with the music - for example, I recognised harmony vocals in Yellow Submarine I never even knew existed. If you really want to hear the full impact, listening via headphones is where the differences become most apparent. I have no idea why they didn't bother remixing the old stereo records in much the same way. And I think the 2009 stereo remasters really screwed up big time as they should have realised they were just polishing turds in all honesty. For example, Paperback Writer still sounds pathetic on the stereo remasters where the energy is sapped from the recording by channelling the great heavy guitar riff down the left side - earphone users will know what I'm talking about. It's the case with many stereo tracks where the vocals lie on the right hand side while the instruments lie on the left and it sounds horribly unbalanced. These surround sound mixes on 1 eradicate that and retain - and actually heighten - the energy of the original mono recordings. I highly recommend it - even a casual fan would be silly to miss buying this record in my opinion. The fact that The Beatles aren't available in this format for their other albums is a worry though - iTunes users (the demographic of which are particularly young) will read up on the hype and buy and then wonder why such bad recordings are praised (no chance of buying the superior mono versions digitally). In this day and age where a majority of music listeners listen via headphones, these problems are only exacerbated when listening in such a way. It isn't good enough that the greatest musical act of all time has yet to see ideal versions of their music in such glorious modern surround sound. I disagree that it is rewriting history as I said previously that the stereo versions were never any good and it only makes sense to update the sound for the modern age. With the only widely available versions being the poor stereo masters, it risks The Beatles being lost to the next generation of music listeners. Thinking about this, I can't believe the scant disregard for modern ways of listening that the engineers who worked on the remasters were guilty of. Almost criminal neglect I feel!
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Post by mkoasis on Nov 29, 2015 16:10:12 GMT -5
I haven't got the 2009 stereo masters and I'm not an audiophile so I've been more or less content with my original releases, on vinyl and CD. My HMV has got the 2009 remasters on sale and I've been tempted to buy one or two and see how they compare. But it sounds like the '1' album is worth listening to the reissue. That was the album that got me into the Beatles when it first came out, what 15 years ago?
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Post by madferitusa2025 on Nov 29, 2015 17:00:39 GMT -5
For my ears everything through Sgt Pepper is far superior in mono. I really only played the 2009 stereo versions a few times. I agree these versions suffer far too much channel separation.
I was not aware the Mono versions are unavailable to download legally, that is a shame.
And lastly, I said to myself there is no way in hell I'm buying 1, as I bought the deluxe DVD version (of songs I seemly have multitudes of versions of) the first time. After reading your review, I'm gonna give it try.
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Post by matt on Nov 29, 2015 17:06:15 GMT -5
For my ears everything through Sgt Pepper is far superior in mono. I really only played the 2009 stereo versions a few times. I agree these versions suffer far too much channel separation. I was not aware the Mono versions are unavailable to download legally, that is a shame. And lastly, I said to myself there is no way in hell I'm buying 1, as I bought the deluxe DVD version (of songs I seemly have multitudes of versions of) the first time. After reading your review, I'm gonna give it try. Yeah, Mono is only available via boxset, none are available individually either. I thought the 1 re-release was merely tacking on a DVD of videos we all have on YouTube but I didn't bother with the DVD version and just bought the album solely. Well worth it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 17:26:02 GMT -5
Mostly I listen to a combination of the 2009 mono remasters, the new analogue mono remasters and the original mono vinyl rips. I'm not a fan of the 2009 stereo remasters simply because the stereo panning sounds really unnatural. It's almost as if they were done in the sixties simply for the sake of being in stereo. The Yellow Submarine Soundtrack from 1999 has some excellent stereo remixes of a select few songs and I can't wait to hear the latest 1+ remixes.
At some point I'm sure the entire catalogue will be remixes in stereo, with modern style panning etc.
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Post by mossy on Nov 30, 2015 18:14:29 GMT -5
When I saw this thread title I thought matt was hankering for a pumping jungle version of Ob-La-Di...
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Post by Jailbird on Dec 1, 2015 6:32:33 GMT -5
Yeah, Mono is only available via boxset, none are available individually either. I thought the 1 re-release was merely tacking on a DVD of videos we all have on YouTube but I didn't bother with the DVD version and just bought the album solely. Well worth it. The videos on the DVD are in excellent quality, though. The YouTube videos are pretty bad (other than the official ones promoting 1)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2015 20:15:10 GMT -5
I have no idea why they didn't bother remixing the old stereo records in much the same way. they will, it's only a matter of time. and then everyone can throw away their 2009 boxes and buy the new and improved ones, with what will be yet another blatant money grab.
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Post by matt on Dec 1, 2015 20:32:18 GMT -5
I have no idea why they didn't bother remixing the old stereo records in much the same way. they will, it's only a matter of time. and then everyone can throw away their 2009 boxes and buy the new and improved ones, with what will be yet another blatant money grab. That was primarily why I bought the mono boxset because as I usually listen to music via an ipod and headphones, I couldn't bear listening to the badly panned and unbalanced stereo mixes. First things first, the mono records are undoubtedly brilliant but I still think there is a lot of potential to make the majority of those recordings sound even better than they do (although I wonder how Sgt Pepper would improve from its mono format but it would still be fascinating to hear the results), and that would be via the remixed surround sound of this 1 compilation. I was under the impression that the 2009 stereo remasters would be exactly like this, so I was gutted when I bought one of the remasters to test the waters so to speak (Sgt Pepper) - personally, I couldn't tell the difference between the original CD mix that was released in the 1980s with the remaster. But even though it may come eventually, it won't be for a very very long time, as that would entail that the 2009 stereo remasters were an abject failure.
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Post by NYR on Dec 1, 2015 22:44:06 GMT -5
While there's a lot of channel separation in the stereo mixes, I think they're done really well. The engineers did a phenomenal job, especially seeing as they went against the grain by not brickwalling the audio. There are plenty of dynamics in the mixes, and it makes for a truly pleasurable listen.
Compared to the 1988 CD releases, it's night and day.
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Post by Jailbird on Dec 2, 2015 8:29:34 GMT -5
I think the 2009 remasters are great as well, but of course they could be better. At least it wasn't worse than before like with some reissues.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 2, 2015 10:05:44 GMT -5
Aren't The Beatles anti Stereo unless they were there for the stereo mixes?
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