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Post by guigsysEstring on May 18, 2016 21:00:56 GMT -5
I can just seen an American hosting the documentary: "Liam Gallagher, the songwriter of Oasis and singer of Don't Look Back in Anger...." With subtitles for non-UK audiences, including English speaking ones I might be imagining it but I'm sure MTV America did a broadcast with Oasis that was subtitled.
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Post by Headmaster on May 18, 2016 22:19:17 GMT -5
I watched their Senna, amazing doc, they capture well the charismatic perfectionist and yet very human F1 racer, he is like a god in Brazil.
I'm yet to watch Amy, it must be great too.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on May 19, 2016 10:08:03 GMT -5
I really hope the film at least touches on Be Here Now. That album was a big deal. It didn't all go to plan, of course, and it brought to a close the golden era of the band, but it's still a great record in it's own right, and it deserves better than Noel airbrushing it out of history...
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Post by Aman on May 19, 2016 14:15:17 GMT -5
Bet they don't even mention it.
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Post by jaq515 on May 19, 2016 14:25:16 GMT -5
I really hope the film at least touches on Be Here Now. That album was a big deal. It didn't all go to plan, of course, and it brought to a close the golden era of the band, but it's still a great record in it's own right, and it deserves better than Noel airbrushing it out of history... i'd guess as all the blurb says it'll be the road from start to knebworth it wont.. of course BHN was huge. Like i said in different thread while noel hates BHN theres another gallagher who loves it .. who's ready to get back in the ring so lets hope the remaster will gain some good promotion and press .
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Post by lalaland on May 19, 2016 14:25:24 GMT -5
Bet they don't even mention it. Agree. Sir Noel probably wouldn't let them...
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Post by Flatulence Panic on May 19, 2016 15:32:08 GMT -5
I really hope the film at least touches on Be Here Now. That album was a big deal. It didn't all go to plan, of course, and it brought to a close the golden era of the band, but it's still a great record in it's own right, and it deserves better than Noel airbrushing it out of history... If I see Be Here Now on a cinema size screen i'm going to lose my shit.
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Post by spud on May 19, 2016 17:31:42 GMT -5
I watched their Senna, amazing doc, they capture well the charismatic perfectionist and yet very human F1 racer, he is like a god in Brazil. I'm yet to watch Amy, it must be great too. Different director.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 17:37:31 GMT -5
I'm already happy if it is in colour.
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Post by guigsysEstring on May 19, 2016 20:50:30 GMT -5
I really hope the film at least touches on Be Here Now. That album was a big deal. It didn't all go to plan, of course, and it brought to a close the golden era of the band, but it's still a great record in it's own right, and it deserves better than Noel airbrushing it out of history... Reiterate what I've said before I think this documentary is about the rise of Oasis as they genuinely captured the zeitgeist between February 1994 for the definitive recording sessions of Definitely Maybe and the Earls Court shows November 1995, plus the formative years that led up to these events. I remember seeing Oasis at Rock City, Nottingham in August 1994, and the place was packed with people who already knew the songs but were wearing Wonder Stuff or Ned's Atomic Dustbin shirts, had long hair and wore loon pants. Fast forward to Earl's Court and the place was rammed again but this time it was short mod looks almost universally for the boys, and smart looking girls who nearly all were using Mancunian/Oasis vernacular regardless of their own accents. That is just one example of how they not only broke into the national conscience with massive selling records filled with anthems, but also how they influenced and changed the actual culture around them, including not only youth but also people I knew at the time in their thirties suddenly had their records and in some cases the look which is quite something for any youth based phenomenon! The next phase of Oasis for me began with the victory lap which was the massive UK shows at Maine Road, Loch Lamond and Knebworth, as well as Pairc Ui Chaoimh with support sets ranging from The Bootleg Beatles through to the next wave of million plus sellers including Cast, OCS and The Prodigy. They had completed their rise to the top and this was the payoff, with everything they (and Noel in particular) had said about reaching heights unheard of to eighties independent artists finally coming to fruition in front of 125,000 per night in Hertfordshire on the back of multi million selling albums. Knebworth for me is the point where you could end one documentary and begin another, although given the loathing Noel in particular has for that album and era in general it is unlikely. The decisions made by the band with input from management, record label and other industry professionals were quite bizarre looking back in the immediate aftermath of Knebworth, and the way a follow up of the UK success in trying to break the USA was handled in my opinion was equally misguided. It would be a fascinating period for August 1996 to March 1998 to cover, including the ill fated Be Here Now Tour, but as I said before aside from having only hardcore fanbase interest unless it became a surprise rock n' roll excess tale hit, I can't see Noel wanting anything to do with such a project or indeed sanctioning it at all.
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Post by mossy on May 20, 2016 3:22:18 GMT -5
I really hope the film at least touches on Be Here Now. That album was a big deal. It didn't all go to plan, of course, and it brought to a close the golden era of the band, but it's still a great record in it's own right, and it deserves better than Noel airbrushing it out of history... Reiterate what I've said before I think this documentary is about the rise of Oasis as they genuinely captured the zeitgeist between February 1994 for the definitive recording sessions of Definitely Maybe and the Earls Court shows November 1995, plus the formative years that led up to these events. I remember seeing Oasis at Rock City, Nottingham in August 1994, and the place was packed with people who already knew the songs but were wearing Wonder Stuff or Ned's Atomic Dustbin shirts, had long hair and wore loon pants. Fast forward to Earl's Court and the place was rammed again but this time it was short mod looks almost universally for the boys, and smart looking girls who nearly all were using Mancunian/Oasis vernacular regardless of their own accents. That is just one example of how they not only broke into the national conscience with massive selling records filled with anthems, but also how they influenced and changed the actual culture around them, including not only youth but also people I knew at the time in their thirties suddenly had their records and in some cases the look which is quite something for any youth based phenomenon! The next phase of Oasis for me began with the victory lap which was the massive UK shows at Maine Road, Loch Lamond and Knebworth, as well as Pairc Ui Chaoimh with support sets ranging from The Bootleg Beatles through to the next wave of million plus sellers including Cast, OCS and The Prodigy. They had completed their rise to the top and this was the payoff, with everything they (and Noel in particular) had said about reaching heights unheard of to eighties independent artists finally coming to fruition in front of 125,000 per night in Hertfordshire on the back of multi million selling albums. Knebworth for me is the point where you could end one documentary and begin another, although given the loathing Noel in particular has for that album and era in general it is unlikely. The decisions made by the band with input from management, record label and other industry professionals were quite bizarre looking back in the immediate aftermath of Knebworth, and the way a follow up of the UK success in trying to break the USA was handled in my opinion was equally misguided. It would be a fascinating period for August 1996 to March 1998 to cover, including the ill fated Be Here Now Tour, but as I said before aside from having only hardcore fanbase interest unless it became a surprise rock n' roll excess tale hit, I can't see Noel wanting anything to do with such a project or indeed sanctioning it at all. The doc will end with the band stepping onto the Knebworth stage and Noel saying "this is history!" (new voiceover so he sounds cool and less like a complete and utter scally). Liam's joke will be airbrushed out :-)
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2016 4:33:38 GMT -5
Reiterate what I've said before I think this documentary is about the rise of Oasis as they genuinely captured the zeitgeist between February 1994 for the definitive recording sessions of Definitely Maybe and the Earls Court shows November 1995, plus the formative years that led up to these events. I remember seeing Oasis at Rock City, Nottingham in August 1994, and the place was packed with people who already knew the songs but were wearing Wonder Stuff or Ned's Atomic Dustbin shirts, had long hair and wore loon pants. Fast forward to Earl's Court and the place was rammed again but this time it was short mod looks almost universally for the boys, and smart looking girls who nearly all were using Mancunian/Oasis vernacular regardless of their own accents. That is just one example of how they not only broke into the national conscience with massive selling records filled with anthems, but also how they influenced and changed the actual culture around them, including not only youth but also people I knew at the time in their thirties suddenly had their records and in some cases the look which is quite something for any youth based phenomenon! The next phase of Oasis for me began with the victory lap which was the massive UK shows at Maine Road, Loch Lamond and Knebworth, as well as Pairc Ui Chaoimh with support sets ranging from The Bootleg Beatles through to the next wave of million plus sellers including Cast, OCS and The Prodigy. They had completed their rise to the top and this was the payoff, with everything they (and Noel in particular) had said about reaching heights unheard of to eighties independent artists finally coming to fruition in front of 125,000 per night in Hertfordshire on the back of multi million selling albums. Knebworth for me is the point where you could end one documentary and begin another, although given the loathing Noel in particular has for that album and era in general it is unlikely. The decisions made by the band with input from management, record label and other industry professionals were quite bizarre looking back in the immediate aftermath of Knebworth, and the way a follow up of the UK success in trying to break the USA was handled in my opinion was equally misguided. It would be a fascinating period for August 1996 to March 1998 to cover, including the ill fated Be Here Now Tour, but as I said before aside from having only hardcore fanbase interest unless it became a surprise rock n' roll excess tale hit, I can't see Noel wanting anything to do with such a project or indeed sanctioning it at all. The doc will end with the band stepping onto the Knebworth stage and Noel saying "this is history!" (new voiceover so he sounds cool and less like a complete and utter scally). Liam's joke will be airbrushed out :-) That would be a really cool end.
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Post by mossy on May 20, 2016 6:13:18 GMT -5
The doc will end with the band stepping onto the Knebworth stage and Noel saying "this is history!" (new voiceover so he sounds cool and less like a complete and utter scally). Liam's joke will be airbrushed out :-) That would be a really cool end. Considering their cool reputation it's a shame that at the gig which is considered to be their career apex and crowning glory, due to be the climax of their doc and likely to get lavish bluray treatment, they decided to wear the shitttest dad jumpers known to man :-P
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on May 20, 2016 8:56:29 GMT -5
Last minute call for any additional footage... I thought first cuts of movies were always much longer than the final things, so that filmmakers can identify what's superfluous and cut bits out? Bit odd that they're actually asking for MORE stuff to put in there... But I mustn't worry...
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Post by supernovadragon on May 21, 2016 1:31:04 GMT -5
Reiterate what I've said before I think this documentary is about the rise of Oasis as they genuinely captured the zeitgeist between February 1994 for the definitive recording sessions of Definitely Maybe and the Earls Court shows November 1995, plus the formative years that led up to these events. I remember seeing Oasis at Rock City, Nottingham in August 1994, and the place was packed with people who already knew the songs but were wearing Wonder Stuff or Ned's Atomic Dustbin shirts, had long hair and wore loon pants. Fast forward to Earl's Court and the place was rammed again but this time it was short mod looks almost universally for the boys, and smart looking girls who nearly all were using Mancunian/Oasis vernacular regardless of their own accents. That is just one example of how they not only broke into the national conscience with massive selling records filled with anthems, but also how they influenced and changed the actual culture around them, including not only youth but also people I knew at the time in their thirties suddenly had their records and in some cases the look which is quite something for any youth based phenomenon! The next phase of Oasis for me began with the victory lap which was the massive UK shows at Maine Road, Loch Lamond and Knebworth, as well as Pairc Ui Chaoimh with support sets ranging from The Bootleg Beatles through to the next wave of million plus sellers including Cast, OCS and The Prodigy. They had completed their rise to the top and this was the payoff, with everything they (and Noel in particular) had said about reaching heights unheard of to eighties independent artists finally coming to fruition in front of 125,000 per night in Hertfordshire on the back of multi million selling albums. Knebworth for me is the point where you could end one documentary and begin another, although given the loathing Noel in particular has for that album and era in general it is unlikely. The decisions made by the band with input from management, record label and other industry professionals were quite bizarre looking back in the immediate aftermath of Knebworth, and the way a follow up of the UK success in trying to break the USA was handled in my opinion was equally misguided. It would be a fascinating period for August 1996 to March 1998 to cover, including the ill fated Be Here Now Tour, but as I said before aside from having only hardcore fanbase interest unless it became a surprise rock n' roll excess tale hit, I can't see Noel wanting anything to do with such a project or indeed sanctioning it at all. The doc will end with the band stepping onto the Knebworth stage and Noel saying "this is history!" (new voiceover so he sounds cool and less like a complete and utter scally). Liam's joke will be airbrushed out :-) If that ISN'T how it ends now, I think I maybe a little disappointed...that would work so well! It ends with them coming out at Knebworth and, then the same weekend, the Knebworth DVD/BR/CD pack is released...ahh I can dream
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Post by mossy on May 21, 2016 8:00:45 GMT -5
The doc will end with the band stepping onto the Knebworth stage and Noel saying "this is history!" (new voiceover so he sounds cool and less like a complete and utter scally). Liam's joke will be airbrushed out :-) If that ISN'T how it ends now, I think I maybe a little disappointed...that would work so well! It ends with them coming out at Knebworth and, then the same weekend, the Knebworth DVD/BR/CD pack is released...ahh I can dream I want royalties if they steal my idea.
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Post by davidjay on May 22, 2016 16:15:30 GMT -5
Last minute call for any additional footage... I thought first cuts of movies were always much longer than the final things, so that filmmakers can identify what's superfluous and cut bits out? Bit odd that they're actually asking for MORE stuff to put in there... But I mustn't worry... Must admit I'd assumed they wouldn't have time to look at any additional archive footage now, but I guess from Mat's tweet that there's still some scope to look at even more material. Really looking forward to see the end results... Perhaps the eventual DVD / Blu-Ray release will have some extra archive footage. I've got the Blu-Ray of Amy here and that has some great extra material - mainly full versions of certain clips seen in the documentary itself. In a recent interview Noel mentioned that he'd done about twenty hours of interviews for the new docu, so perhaps some of that extra source material will get released on the DVD.
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Post by mossy on May 27, 2016 7:37:28 GMT -5
I thought first cuts of movies were always much longer than the final things, so that filmmakers can identify what's superfluous and cut bits out? Bit odd that they're actually asking for MORE stuff to put in there... But I mustn't worry... Must admit I'd assumed they wouldn't have time to look at any additional archive footage now, but I guess from Mat's tweet that there's still some scope to look at even more material. Really looking forward to see the end results... Perhaps the eventual DVD / Blu-Ray release will have some extra archive footage. I've got the Blu-Ray of Amy here and that has some great extra material - mainly full versions of certain clips seen in the documentary itself. In a recent interview Noel mentioned that he'd done about twenty hours of interviews for the new docu, so perhaps some of that extra source material will get released on the DVD. Translating Noel-speak to English that means he was probably interviewed for 2 hours and had a 30 minute fag break, but yes there's the potential for lots of goodies here with DVD extras and the soundtrack. Fingers crossed!
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Post by davidjay on May 27, 2016 11:55:16 GMT -5
Must admit I'd assumed they wouldn't have time to look at any additional archive footage now, but I guess from Mat's tweet that there's still some scope to look at even more material. Really looking forward to see the end results... Perhaps the eventual DVD / Blu-Ray release will have some extra archive footage. I've got the Blu-Ray of Amy here and that has some great extra material - mainly full versions of certain clips seen in the documentary itself. In a recent interview Noel mentioned that he'd done about twenty hours of interviews for the new docu, so perhaps some of that extra source material will get released on the DVD. Translating Noel-speak to English that means he was probably interviewed for 2 hours and had a 30 minute fag break, but yes there's the potential for lots of goodies here with DVD extras and the soundtrack. Fingers crossed! Heh, fair point! Yes, hopefully there are some nice extras on the eventual DVD release. If they were to do a full soundtrack release, one thing I'd like to see would be a more complete release of the Real People sessions, including Oasis's cover of Heaven Knows. I've also wondered recently whether the Realies kept all the multi-track masters for those sessions. If they did, and were willing to allow access, there's scope for new mixes in full quality, rather than using multi-generational cassette dubs. The White Label demo mix of Columbia and that alternate mix of Married With Children on the DM reissue sound a lot better than their counterparts on Live Demonstration to me- stereo, mixed down to a professional format (presumably DAT or maybe half-inch analogue tape). Maybe for the 30th or 40th anniversary box set of DM. On my wish list anyway. I'm also curious as to whether any of the early demos (Take Me, See The Sun, Colour My Life etc) exist in the band's archives on a pro format.
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Post by idleroses on May 27, 2016 13:02:23 GMT -5
I really hope the film at least touches on Be Here Now. That album was a big deal. It didn't all go to plan, of course, and it brought to a close the golden era of the band, but it's still a great record in it's own right, and it deserves better than Noel airbrushing it out of history... Reiterate what I've said before I think this documentary is about the rise of Oasis as they genuinely captured the zeitgeist between February 1994 for the definitive recording sessions of Definitely Maybe and the Earls Court shows November 1995, plus the formative years that led up to these events. I remember seeing Oasis at Rock City, Nottingham in August 1994, and the place was packed with people who already knew the songs but were wearing Wonder Stuff or Ned's Atomic Dustbin shirts, had long hair and wore loon pants. Fast forward to Earl's Court and the place was rammed again but this time it was short mod looks almost universally for the boys, and smart looking girls who nearly all were using Mancunian/Oasis vernacular regardless of their own accents. That is just one example of how they not only broke into the national conscience with massive selling records filled with anthems, but also how they influenced and changed the actual culture around them, including not only youth but also people I knew at the time in their thirties suddenly had their records and in some cases the look which is quite something for any youth based phenomenon! The next phase of Oasis for me began with the victory lap which was the massive UK & Irish shows at Maine Road, Loch Lamond and Knebworth, as well as Pairc Ui Chaoimh with support sets ranging from The Bootleg Beatles through to the next wave of million plus sellers including Cast, OCS and The Prodigy. They had completed their rise to the top and this was the payoff, with everything they (and Noel in particular) had said about reaching heights unheard of to eighties independent artists finally coming to fruition in front of 125,000 per night in Hertfordshire on the back of multi million selling albums. Knebworth for me is the point where you could end one documentary and begin another, although given the loathing Noel in particular has for that album and era in general it is unlikely. The decisions made by the band with input from management, record label and other industry professionals were quite bizarre looking back in the immediate aftermath of Knebworth, and the way a follow up of the UK success in trying to break the USA was handled in my opinion was equally misguided. It would be a fascinating period for August 1996 to March 1998 to cover, including the ill fated Be Here Now Tour, but as I said before aside from having only hardcore fanbase interest unless it became a surprise rock n' roll excess tale hit, I can't see Noel wanting anything to do with such a project or indeed sanctioning it at all. fyp!
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Post by guigsysEstring on May 27, 2016 13:25:39 GMT -5
Reiterate what I've said before I think this documentary is about the rise of Oasis as they genuinely captured the zeitgeist between February 1994 for the definitive recording sessions of Definitely Maybe and the Earls Court shows November 1995, plus the formative years that led up to these events. I remember seeing Oasis at Rock City, Nottingham in August 1994, and the place was packed with people who already knew the songs but were wearing Wonder Stuff or Ned's Atomic Dustbin shirts, had long hair and wore loon pants. Fast forward to Earl's Court and the place was rammed again but this time it was short mod looks almost universally for the boys, and smart looking girls who nearly all were using Mancunian/Oasis vernacular regardless of their own accents. That is just one example of how they not only broke into the national conscience with massive selling records filled with anthems, but also how they influenced and changed the actual culture around them, including not only youth but also people I knew at the time in their thirties suddenly had their records and in some cases the look which is quite something for any youth based phenomenon! The next phase of Oasis for me began with the victory lap which was the massive UK & Irish shows at Maine Road, Loch Lamond and Knebworth, as well as Pairc Ui Chaoimh with support sets ranging from The Bootleg Beatles through to the next wave of million plus sellers including Cast, OCS and The Prodigy. They had completed their rise to the top and this was the payoff, with everything they (and Noel in particular) had said about reaching heights unheard of to eighties independent artists finally coming to fruition in front of 125,000 per night in Hertfordshire on the back of multi million selling albums. Knebworth for me is the point where you could end one documentary and begin another, although given the loathing Noel in particular has for that album and era in general it is unlikely. The decisions made by the band with input from management, record label and other industry professionals were quite bizarre looking back in the immediate aftermath of Knebworth, and the way a follow up of the UK success in trying to break the USA was handled in my opinion was equally misguided. It would be a fascinating period for August 1996 to March 1998 to cover, including the ill fated Be Here Now Tour, but as I said before aside from having only hardcore fanbase interest unless it became a surprise rock n' roll excess tale hit, I can't see Noel wanting anything to do with such a project or indeed sanctioning it at all. fyp! Cheers, although I thought saying "as well as Pairc Ui Chaoimh" excluded it from being counted as the UK
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Post by scottc on May 28, 2016 5:11:25 GMT -5
I'm also curious as to whether any of the early demos (Take Me, See The Sun, Colour My Life etc) exist in the band's archives on a pro format. Wasn't there a story in one of Paolo Hewitt's books about someone getting hold of a bootleg of The Lost Tapes, and playing it on the tour bus? I seem to remember Noel saying he hadn't heard them in years. Though Noel talks a lot of bullshit of course. And there's every possibility they acquired the original tapes at a later date. I imagine they'll end up on some kind of "Anthology" type release in the next 5-10 years - though I wouldn't be surprised if they were sourced from the bootleg!
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Post by guigsysEstring on May 28, 2016 5:18:35 GMT -5
I'm also curious as to whether any of the early demos (Take Me, See The Sun, Colour My Life etc) exist in the band's archives on a pro format. Wasn't there a story in one of Paolo Hewitt's books about someone getting hold of a bootleg of The Lost Tapes, and playing it on the tour bus? I seem to remember Noel saying he hadn't heard them in years. Though Noel talks a lot of bullshit of course. And there's every possibility they acquired the original tapes at a later date. I imagine they'll end up on some kind of "Anthology" type release in the next 5-10 years - though I wouldn't be surprised if they were sourced from the bootleg! That was in 'Forever The People' IIRC with Noel playing the tape to the band and when asked by them where it had come from he alluded to knowing who had released it as a bootleg without actually naming them. Paolo said that Noel and the band were genuinely surprised to hear those songs, although that again could be a public face reaction. Unless they brought the old demo tapes at auctions and/or privately (both Noel solo and the full band recordings) then it would come down to who owned the copyright as to whether they could officially use them. The Noel acoustic recordings would have originally been his as they were bedroom demos, but the original tape would be deemed the master copy and this has subsequently been sold on to third party buyers, so that is a contentious issue, whilst the Real People demos have seen songs like 'Alive' released officially so I would presume Big Brother/SMG own the rights unless the Griffiths brothers simply licensed or sold that particular song as opposed to the whole tape- this one would probably come down to who was paying the studio bill at the time and if those songs were officially documented as being recorded at the said location.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2016 6:17:02 GMT -5
I'm also curious as to whether any of the early demos (Take Me, See The Sun, Colour My Life etc) exist in the band's archives on a pro format. Wasn't there a story in one of Paolo Hewitt's books about someone getting hold of a bootleg of The Lost Tapes, and playing it on the tour bus? I seem to remember Noel saying he hadn't heard them in years. Though Noel talks a lot of bullshit of course. And there's every possibility they acquired the original tapes at a later date. I imagine they'll end up on some kind of "Anthology" type release in the next 5-10 years - though I wouldn't be surprised if they were sourced from the bootleg! I thought they listened to the bootleg 'The Untold Story' there.
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