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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2017 10:12:15 GMT -5
Premiums have indeed skyrocketed. As have deductibles. Obamacare will explode on itself. Its good that you want to see millions deprived of health cover. to be fair, that's not at all what he said. his first two sentences are fact. the third... well, time will tell on that one. i don't agree with spaneli too often however i do think he's on to something when he says that trump isn't willing to roll up his sleeves and get dirt under his fingernails to get something done. his healthcare reform failed, so instead of working at it to make it better and/or more palatable to democrats (and republicans!) he is simply leaving it and moving on to the next thing. i always try to stay in the middle but as time wears on i'm finding it's becoming increasingly difficult.
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 26, 2017 11:11:50 GMT -5
Talking about a country that doesn't even want healthcare.
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Post by spaneli on Mar 26, 2017 11:57:44 GMT -5
Premiums have indeed skyrocketed. As have deductibles. Obamacare will explode on itself. Its good that you want to see millions deprived of health cover. The problem for Trump and Republicans is, let's say Obamacare does explode. Well, who gets left holding the bag? Probably Trump and Republicans. The spin that Trump tried to put on, that if Obamacare explodes then it's the Democrats' fault, is idiotic and nonsensical. A party that campaigned on everything that was wrong with Obamacare for 7 years, did nothing to actually fix it when they had control of every branch of government, then, gave up even though they were aware that the bill might explode, leave it and create millions of uninsured. Like, who's blaming Obama for a bill failing when he's been out of office for after how many years, once and if, Obamacare does explode? Probably, not many people. At least, no one except the far right. Politically, it would actually be in Republicans' best interest to prop-up Obamacare, until Democrats take over, and pass the buck to them. And I think that's the course they'll take. They'll pass small-ish under the radar bills, the type that don't get press coverage, to keep Obamacare afloat and leave it for Democrats to figure it out. But now, healthcare, has become a new third-rail issue for Republicans. Which pretty much assures that it will remain for a bit. Besides, in the end, saying that Obamacare will explode anyways, is some Republicans' way of saying, "We failed, and we don't want to admit it." And personally, I believe that it's a politically toxic line, that most Republican lawmakers cringed at when they heard it (Will most likely end-up in a few political ads around the midterm).
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Post by spaneli on Mar 26, 2017 12:15:54 GMT -5
Its good that you want to see millions deprived of health cover. to be fair, that's not at all what he said. his first two sentences are fact. the third... well, time will tell on that one. i don't agree with spaneli too often however i do think he's on to something when he says that trump isn't willing to roll up his sleeves and get dirt under his fingernails to get something done. his healthcare reform failed, so instead of working at it to make it better and/or more palatable to democrats (and republicans!) he is simply leaving it and moving on to the next thing. i always try to stay in the middle but as time wears on i'm finding it's becoming increasingly difficult. I'm not really about complaining how often a President golfs. I think that most of the time it's a dumb attack. It's like complaining about how much we spend on the President using Air Force One for vacations (It's actually a drop in the bucket of the actual budget). It's a difficult job that demands some time away. Obama was very much criticized whenever he golfed. Nevertheless, there has not been a single week in office that Trump has not taken a golf vacation yet. That speaks very much to his resolve to be president. In the span of two months, he's made mistakes (many of them self-inflicted wounds), that a more in the know president would not have made. Arguing with allies, threatening Mexico, watching his travel-ban explode, and now the implosion of his Obamacare reform. Most of all, there appears to be an inability for him to police his own office. There are leaks happening everyday. Every day there's a new scandal. And no one appears to trust one another. The executive branch isn't working together, and that's a sign of weak of leadership. The fact that Congressional Republicans rolled over on him and told media outlets that he didn't know what was in the healthcare bill, is damning because it's a repetition of what happened with the travel ban. That is, Trump being unaware of what he's actually selling. As if, he came back from one of his golfing weekends, his staff drafted a bill, and he didn't ask what was inside of it. He just blindly went a long. A president can be many things, but he/she cannot be unaware. For his sake, and honestly, for all our sake, Trump has to take the job more seriously. That, or as I suggested a few pages prior, he has to clean house in his cabinet. Trump is the kind of president that needs a strong cabinet. And this one is incredibly weak. It can't function without a strong diligent central leader, a role that Trump does not appear willing to assume. He needs to make a cabinet that can function without him, so he can act as a CEO.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 27, 2017 8:03:50 GMT -5
Its good that you want to see millions deprived of health cover. to be fair, that's not at all what he said. his first two sentences are fact. the third... well, time will tell on that one. i don't agree with spaneli too often however i do think he's on to something when he says that trump isn't willing to roll up his sleeves and get dirt under his fingernails to get something done. his healthcare reform failed, so instead of working at it to make it better and/or more palatable to democrats (and republicans!) he is simply leaving it and moving on to the next thing. i always try to stay in the middle but as time wears on i'm finding it's becoming increasingly difficult. He didn't have to. He has supported Trump regardless of policy or actions based simply on the fact he is from the Republican side. The poorest of reasons to support any political leader. Like Trump I don't see Nigel providing a viable alternative. Just bluster.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 8:12:34 GMT -5
to be fair, that's not at all what he said. his first two sentences are fact. the third... well, time will tell on that one. i don't agree with spaneli too often however i do think he's on to something when he says that trump isn't willing to roll up his sleeves and get dirt under his fingernails to get something done. his healthcare reform failed, so instead of working at it to make it better and/or more palatable to democrats (and republicans!) he is simply leaving it and moving on to the next thing. i always try to stay in the middle but as time wears on i'm finding it's becoming increasingly difficult. He didn't have to. He has supported Trump regardless of policy or actions based simply on the fact he is from the Republican side. The poorest of reasons to support any political leader. Like Trump I don't see Nigel providing a viable alternative. Just bluster. i will admit i haven't followed this thread that closely post-election, but can you point me to a post of his where he flat out supports trump? i haven't seen one. i have seen several where he denounces trump. hell, a lot of republicans still denounce trump and his policies (might i add can't say i blame them for doing so). not a good look. clearly not a unified party by any means.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 27, 2017 8:31:38 GMT -5
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Post by spaneli on Mar 27, 2017 12:32:08 GMT -5
He didn't have to. He has supported Trump regardless of policy or actions based simply on the fact he is from the Republican side. The poorest of reasons to support any political leader. Like Trump I don't see Nigel providing a viable alternative. Just bluster. i will admit i haven't followed this thread that closely post-election, but can you point me to a post of his where he flat out supports trump? i haven't seen one. i have seen several where he denounces trump. hell, a lot of republicans still denounce trump and his policies (might i add can't say i blame them for doing so). not a good look. clearly not a unified party by any means. This Need a Republican in the White House, and for that I'm voting Trump. “It’s not even about supporting Trump. It’s about taking the most principled moral position you can for your family and your country, under very difficult circumstances. And that’s what you do in life most of the time.” ~Mark Levin HAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA I guess they really weren't 'with her' in the end.... #alwaystrumpHe has times been less vocal in his support (more like scared to voice it). He's just been wishy-washy lately, as if he never supported him, but he always goes scurrying back.
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Post by matt on Mar 27, 2017 12:38:10 GMT -5
The American Health Care Act may have been rejected, but that's no guarantee that another Obamacare repeal won't be proposed in the future, or even become law. Remember that many in the Republican party don't want the government to have anything to do with healthcare. They're not going to relent. Honestly don't think Trump and Republicans will be revisiting health care for a bit. I think it will mostly stay in place, and if anything is added or taken away, then it will be by a progressive Democratic president. Both Trump and Republicans got burned and exposed. Republicans, because as much as they complained about healthcare, they didn't have a better plan other than repealing, which would have gotten a decent majority of them voted out of office. There was a reason Obama kept saying that if the Republicans had a better deal then he would sign it. They never had anything better through 7 years. Without anything better, it'll be difficult for them revisit, especially since they spent a ton of political capital, and were all made to look like fools. Trump will never revisit healthcare. He's finished with it. He lost the most capital and face in this fight. He confirmed what many thought, that he isn't actually interested in the nitty gritty portions of being president. He's aloof. The idea that he was trying to sell Republicans on a bill that he knew nothing about is laughable. It also killed his luster as a deal maker. He couldn't push through his first major initiative with a congress that his party controls. Utterly embarrassing and amateurish. It took Obama 13 months to pass healthcare, and Trump tried to do it in less than two. It also confirmed what many thought, that Trump is not capable of being president,and certainly not capable of getting out of his own way. A business man doesn't equate a good president, and so far, Trump has lacked the temperament and savvy. It also continues Trump's slide. He's getting really close to being so low in the polls that he becomes another Carter, too unliked to pass any legislation or command any power, especially considering that he got played by the freedom caucus. The only good thing that happened to Trump and Republicans is that the bill wasn't passed. It died, and they can try to recover. Nevertheless, it's difficult to see how they recover when it's clear that Democrats have no intention to help them out of their mess (Democrats returning the favor), that, and Republicans aren't united. In fact, there are too many divisions to count. Will the freedom Caucus relent? Will they vote for moderate bills? So far, the answer is no. And as long as the answer is no, there's very little chance that Republicans will get much done. Obama's greatest achievement was passing healthcare. This episode only deepened that achievement. The fact that Obama united, negotiated, and pushed so many Democrats and a couple a Republicans to get healthcare passed, while costing himself 15 points in his approval rating, 13 months, a lot of political capital, the house, and almost his second term showed the kind of resolve that Trump lacks. Healthcare cost Obama a lot, and it'll cost Republicans a lot more to take it away. I read an article whereby it stated that Obama was vigorous in his knowledge, knowing every single law inside out and every single bit of minute detail in those 13 months. I think due to Trump simply being a pig ignorant thicko, we might see him lumber from one policy failure to another. Has there ever been a weaker President?
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Post by spaneli on Mar 27, 2017 13:27:28 GMT -5
Honestly don't think Trump and Republicans will be revisiting health care for a bit. I think it will mostly stay in place, and if anything is added or taken away, then it will be by a progressive Democratic president. Both Trump and Republicans got burned and exposed. Republicans, because as much as they complained about healthcare, they didn't have a better plan other than repealing, which would have gotten a decent majority of them voted out of office. There was a reason Obama kept saying that if the Republicans had a better deal then he would sign it. They never had anything better through 7 years. Without anything better, it'll be difficult for them revisit, especially since they spent a ton of political capital, and were all made to look like fools. Trump will never revisit healthcare. He's finished with it. He lost the most capital and face in this fight. He confirmed what many thought, that he isn't actually interested in the nitty gritty portions of being president. He's aloof. The idea that he was trying to sell Republicans on a bill that he knew nothing about is laughable. It also killed his luster as a deal maker. He couldn't push through his first major initiative with a congress that his party controls. Utterly embarrassing and amateurish. It took Obama 13 months to pass healthcare, and Trump tried to do it in less than two. It also confirmed what many thought, that Trump is not capable of being president,and certainly not capable of getting out of his own way. A business man doesn't equate a good president, and so far, Trump has lacked the temperament and savvy. It also continues Trump's slide. He's getting really close to being so low in the polls that he becomes another Carter, too unliked to pass any legislation or command any power, especially considering that he got played by the freedom caucus. The only good thing that happened to Trump and Republicans is that the bill wasn't passed. It died, and they can try to recover. Nevertheless, it's difficult to see how they recover when it's clear that Democrats have no intention to help them out of their mess (Democrats returning the favor), that, and Republicans aren't united. In fact, there are too many divisions to count. Will the freedom Caucus relent? Will they vote for moderate bills? So far, the answer is no. And as long as the answer is no, there's very little chance that Republicans will get much done. Obama's greatest achievement was passing healthcare. This episode only deepened that achievement. The fact that Obama united, negotiated, and pushed so many Democrats and a couple a Republicans to get healthcare passed, while costing himself 15 points in his approval rating, 13 months, a lot of political capital, the house, and almost his second term showed the kind of resolve that Trump lacks. Healthcare cost Obama a lot, and it'll cost Republicans a lot more to take it away. I read an article whereby it stated that Obama was vigorous in his knowledge, knowing every single law inside out and every single bit of minute detail in those 13 months. I think due to Trump simply being a pig ignorant thicko, we might see him lumber from one policy failure to another. Has there ever been a weaker President? You'd have to go into the early days of the Presidency. Presidential power didn't start rapidly expanding until Theordore Roosevelt. In terms of power, at one point, the Executive branch might have been the weakest of the three. There are some "recent" examples, but they carry existential circumstances, Gerald Ford and Herbert Hoover come to mind. Jimmy Carter could definitely be counted among them. After that, there could be a couple ones who died early in office?
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Post by matt on Mar 27, 2017 13:31:39 GMT -5
I read an article whereby it stated that Obama was vigorous in his knowledge, knowing every single law inside out and every single bit of minute detail in those 13 months. I think due to Trump simply being a pig ignorant thicko, we might see him lumber from one policy failure to another. Has there ever been a weaker President? You'd have to go into the early days of the Presidency. Presidential power didn't start rapidly expanding until Theordore Roosevelt. In terms of power, at one point, the Executive branch might have been the weakest of the three. There are some "recent" examples, but they carry existential circumstances, Gerald Ford and Herbert Hoover come to mind. Jimmy Carter could definitely be counted among them. After that, there could be a couple ones who died early in office? Yeah, I figured it would probably be ones that are barely worthy of a mention in school history books! In terms of cataclysmic screw ups, surely nobody has ever been as incompetent as Trump? This is the thing I don't understand from some: 'give him a chance'. But why would anyone want to? And everyone who was against him is just being proven right in spectacular fashion. It doesn't take a rocket science to know he would always be an epic failure.
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Post by spaneli on Mar 27, 2017 13:54:17 GMT -5
You'd have to go into the early days of the Presidency. Presidential power didn't start rapidly expanding until Theordore Roosevelt. In terms of power, at one point, the Executive branch might have been the weakest of the three. There are some "recent" examples, but they carry existential circumstances, Gerald Ford and Herbert Hoover come to mind. Jimmy Carter could definitely be counted among them. After that, there could be a couple ones who died early in office? Yeah, I figured it would probably be ones that are barely worthy of a mention in school history books! In terms of cataclysmic screw ups, surely nobody has ever been as incompetent as Trump? This is the thing I don't understand from some: 'give him a chance'. But why would anyone want to? And everyone who was against him is just being proven right in spectacular fashion. It doesn't take a rocket science to know he would always be an epic failure. Well, he still has time. He's only a little over two months into his term. Presidencies can turn on a dime because four years is a long time. Two years into Reagan's first term he was dead in the water and a laughing stock, and then the economy grew, which saved him. Now, really, most of the time a President only has the first 9 months to do something major. After that, everyone is worrying about reelection in the midterms. It is possible to get major legislative achievements done after that, but it's significantly harder. Obama ran into that roadblock with healthcare. Nevertheless, Trump isn't as popular as Obama was, or Reagan for that matter, and has a much shorter leash. Trump is moving on to tax reform, but if he bungles it as bad as he did healthcare then he'll be in big trouble. Because tax reform will take another two or three months, and another failure will cause his party to leave him. Another worry I'd have if I were Trump, right now he's around a 40% approval rating. That's with a decent economy. If the economy slips at all, he'll be going off a cliff that will be difficult to recover from. All in all, there's still time. What makes the time remaining seem inconsequential is the type of person Trump seems to be, someone who isn't fitted for the rigors of the presidency.
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Post by matt on Mar 27, 2017 14:20:13 GMT -5
Yeah, I figured it would probably be ones that are barely worthy of a mention in school history books! In terms of cataclysmic screw ups, surely nobody has ever been as incompetent as Trump? This is the thing I don't understand from some: 'give him a chance'. But why would anyone want to? And everyone who was against him is just being proven right in spectacular fashion. It doesn't take a rocket science to know he would always be an epic failure. Well, he still has time. He's only a little over two months into his term. Presidencies can turn on a dime because four years is a long time. Two years into Reagan's first term he was dead in the water and a laughing stock, and then the economy grew, which saved him. Now, really, most of the time a President only has the first 9 months to do something major. After that, everyone is worrying about reelection in the midterms. It is possible to get major legislative achievements done after that, but it's significantly harder. Obama ran into that roadblock with healthcare. Nevertheless, Trump isn't as popular as Obama was, or Reagan for that matter, and has a much shorter leash. Trump is moving on to tax reform, but if he bungles it as bad as he did healthcare then he'll be in big trouble. Because tax reform will take another two or three months, and another failure will cause his party to leave him. Another worry I'd have if I were Trump, right now he's around a 40% approval rating. That's with a decent economy. If the economy slips at all, he'll be going off a cliff that will be difficult to recover from. All in all, there's still time. What makes the time remaining seem inconsequential is the type of person Trump seems to be, someone who isn't fitted for the rigors of the presidency. Even with the economy improving, do you think prospects for a large swathe of his supporters will improve (working class folk in de-industrialised areas). If they don't see improvement and regardless of economic improvement then do you think Trump could be out elected out of office in four years time?
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Post by spaneli on Mar 27, 2017 14:42:18 GMT -5
Well, he still has time. He's only a little over two months into his term. Presidencies can turn on a dime because four years is a long time. Two years into Reagan's first term he was dead in the water and a laughing stock, and then the economy grew, which saved him. Now, really, most of the time a President only has the first 9 months to do something major. After that, everyone is worrying about reelection in the midterms. It is possible to get major legislative achievements done after that, but it's significantly harder. Obama ran into that roadblock with healthcare. Nevertheless, Trump isn't as popular as Obama was, or Reagan for that matter, and has a much shorter leash. Trump is moving on to tax reform, but if he bungles it as bad as he did healthcare then he'll be in big trouble. Because tax reform will take another two or three months, and another failure will cause his party to leave him. Another worry I'd have if I were Trump, right now he's around a 40% approval rating. That's with a decent economy. If the economy slips at all, he'll be going off a cliff that will be difficult to recover from. All in all, there's still time. What makes the time remaining seem inconsequential is the type of person Trump seems to be, someone who isn't fitted for the rigors of the presidency. Even with the economy improving, do you think prospects for a large swathe of his supporters will improve (working class folk in de-industrialised areas). If they don't see improvement and regardless of economic improvement then do you think Trump could be out elected out of office in four years time? I think if the economy is stable then there will be a possibility that he gets re-elected. The economy is the big baramoeter. A good economy makes voters forgive and forget a lot. Trump's problem is that even if the economy is still stable, he won't be an outsider candidate anymore, he'll likely not be the darling of rural America, and he'll be going up against a better democratic candidate. His win wasn't convincing, and was more of a combination of perfect storm than him being a good candiate. He lost the popular vote, and squeaked by in the states that won him the election. If you count deciding states in the electoral college, he might have won them collectively by 200k votes. Now tbh, George W. had the same issues. But he was extremely likable, and still had the veneer of 9/11. He was also a far more formidable campaigner than Trump. Bush also had a few legislative achievements to his name too. He did have No Child left Behind, the Medicare act, and tax reform. But I think Bush can serve as a reminder to liberals that a decent economy can make a President who is seen as incompetent (by his re-election the "shine" had worn off the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan), re-electable. Because the left had written the obituary and declared Kerry winner before the first vote was cast, yet Bush survivid. So, it's not a forgone conclusion.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Mar 27, 2017 18:49:29 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 9:03:42 GMT -5
Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Mitt Romney Good day. Nobody asked who you beat off to, dude.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 28, 2017 13:36:37 GMT -5
Want to outline a defence for the latest executive order Nigel?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 18:15:12 GMT -5
well trump has said climate change is a hoax and is unwinding climate policies... there might be a debate into the scale of the impact we have had on the planet but to cast the whole thing away totally as a "hoax" is ridiculous. donald trump there reinvigorating 18th century technology.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 2, 2017 19:42:11 GMT -5
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Post by Binary Sunset on Apr 2, 2017 20:20:05 GMT -5
Hmm, I wonder where most of the population is? You sure do like your misleading data don't you...
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 3, 2017 7:55:40 GMT -5
Hmm, I wonder where most of the population is? You sure do like your misleading data don't you... Which is exactly why the electoral college is still relevant.
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Post by Binary Sunset on Apr 3, 2017 12:55:01 GMT -5
Hmm, I wonder where most of the population is? You sure do like your misleading data don't you... Which is exactly why the electoral college is still relevant. So that the people have a president the majority didn't vote for? So that a vote doesn't equal a vote everywhere?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 3, 2017 17:28:13 GMT -5
Which is exactly why the electoral college is still relevant. So that the people have a president the majority didn't vote for? So that a vote doesn't equal a vote everywhere? No. So that everyone gets represented. Otherwise, you'd be getting a president voted in from just CA, PA (most elections), and NY Hardly fair.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 3, 2017 17:33:39 GMT -5
Which is exactly why the electoral college is still relevant. So that the people have a president the majority didn't vote for? So that a vote doesn't equal a vote everywhere? Also, she didn't necessarily win the popular vote. The game is played with the knowledge of getting electoral votes. She lost. Simple as. It's like soccer/football: Arsenal could have 75% of the possession but lose 3-0.....The game is played by goals scored, and not by any other statistic. If it was played based on popular votes, all the parameters of campaigning and debating would shift to where we can't even speculate who would win on popular vote. Cry all you want, but Bush II, and Trump won with how the game is played. Sorry.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 3, 2017 19:52:38 GMT -5
Thank you Obama, for tripling my Out Of Network cost. Affordable Care my arse. $8,000 Out of Network Out of Pocket. What the fuck is this shit?
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