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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 21, 2017 12:00:14 GMT -5
.....Because after all Trump will build The Wonder Wall. You beat me to it mimmihopps
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Jan 21, 2017 13:05:08 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Jan 21, 2017 13:26:21 GMT -5
You should realise that Trump and his hardcore nutjobs are total dicks by the music they hired at the inauguration. Full of sister shagging redneck 'gonna hang myself a nigger' Bible bashing c*ntry music stars and Three Doors Down. Music by reprobates for reprobates. Yet SOME folk here think he's the right President. If you're an Oasis fan and you support Trump, then you should be ashamed of yourself, and should stop listening to Oasis. Eloquently put matt and very little room for any disagreement- I would point out though regarding Oasis that Noel Gallagher is one of the few people to still claim a lying, sociopathic war monger as a great Prime Minister so the record politically isn't that great. ** That said I'd take His Toniness over Trump, although if two bullets was also an option I may have to go against Gandhi's pacifist teachings instead But then again this is the Noel that is now so far removed from his roots, spills out of nightclubs with his a-list pals and generally acts like a snobbish diva considering what I've heard from personal accounts on here. Not surprised in the slightest and its telling in his music. I read Bruce Springsteen's autobiography over Christmas, and he actually has a go at these a-list musicians who cut themselves off from the real world, citing those artists who revel in the celebrity lifestyle bubble as becoming 'rootless', leading to uninspired writing and ending up creatively docile. Noel Gallagher to a tee.
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Post by RocketMan on Jan 21, 2017 14:07:27 GMT -5
well, whos our batman in that case?
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 21, 2017 16:55:32 GMT -5
.....Because after all Trump will build The Wonder Wall. This is a genuine question in a similar vein to the more fanatical UKIP supporters Nigel- Suppose for a moment that Trump gets to build a wall that indeed seals the Mexican border, and immigration is reduced to a trickle. Who then takes up the low paid, thankless tasks that so many Americans appear to see as beneath them or for other reasons they will cannot or will not work at? A successful economy is built up on foundations that include having a capable, fit and willing workforce which Donald Trump does not appear to be addressing, unless the master plan is to return most of the black and working class white folk of the USA to an indentured servant/virtual slave status by removing all forms of social support in favour of low paid work with wages then further reduced as the option will be take it or starve? The same could easily be applied using the words 'British' and 'Eastern Europeans' for example when discussing such polices with the aforementioned UKIP, and that is before I get into small populations areas that continue to breed using the continual same gene pool, and other knock on effects of such a disastrous policy. I never thought I would agree with anything the man says and I realise he is a massive part of global problems but when George Soros describes Donald Trump as "con artist and would-be dictator." whose Presidency would make it hard for the USA to "protect and promote democracy" then I struggle to disagree. That being said this is Soros so I still wonder how much of that, whilst correct on the surface, is actually tied to concerns of waning influence in Europe and with the Military Industrial Complex- he appears to have become more vocal in the last year or so as globalist institutions have come under attack, and in particular the more sinister aspects of the Globalisation ambitions. Americans doesn't want Trump to build the wall because they still need mexicans to do the dirty work, right?
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 21, 2017 17:06:48 GMT -5
This is a genuine question in a similar vein to the more fanatical UKIP supporters Nigel- Suppose for a moment that Trump gets to build a wall that indeed seals the Mexican border, and immigration is reduced to a trickle. Who then takes up the low paid, thankless tasks that so many Americans appear to see as beneath them or for other reasons they will cannot or will not work at? A successful economy is built up on foundations that include having a capable, fit and willing workforce which Donald Trump does not appear to be addressing, unless the master plan is to return most of the black and working class white folk of the USA to an indentured servant/virtual slave status by removing all forms of social support in favour of low paid work with wages then further reduced as the option will be take it or starve? The same could easily be applied using the words 'British' and 'Eastern Europeans' for example when discussing such polices with the aforementioned UKIP, and that is before I get into small populations areas that continue to breed using the continual same gene pool, and other knock on effects of such a disastrous policy. I never thought I would agree with anything the man says and I realise he is a massive part of global problems but when George Soros describes Donald Trump as "con artist and would-be dictator." whose Presidency would make it hard for the USA to "protect and promote democracy" then I struggle to disagree. That being said this is Soros so I still wonder how much of that, whilst correct on the surface, is actually tied to concerns of waning influence in Europe and with the Military Industrial Complex- he appears to have become more vocal in the last year or so as globalist institutions have come under attack, and in particular the more sinister aspects of the Globalisation ambitions. Elite and wealthy Americans doesn't want Trump to build the wall because they still need Mexicans to do the dirty work for (near) unlivable wages that the poorer classes already in the USA can't or will not do, right? Tided for accuracy
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 17:08:41 GMT -5
well, whos our batman in that case?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 17:17:01 GMT -5
tony blair?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 17:41:22 GMT -5
So I have to choose between Trump and Oasis?
No, because I need to be myself, and I can't be no-one else.
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Post by matt on Jan 21, 2017 18:16:57 GMT -5
So I have to choose between Trump and Oasis? No, because I need to be myself, and I can't be no-one else. Well, if advocating racism and sexual assault is your kind of thing, be my guest. I just thought this forum had higher standards.
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Post by batfink30 on Jan 21, 2017 18:26:12 GMT -5
Anyone see the White House press conference?! What the actual fuck?!
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jan 21, 2017 18:37:50 GMT -5
So I have to choose between Trump and Oasis? No, because I need to be myself, and I can't be no-one else. Out of interest as I know you aren't American and not directly affected (at least yet) by his election what is it that appeals to you about Donald Trump? I made my feelings on both candidates clear in the 'U.S. Election' thread with my distrust of Hillary stemming back to the nineties, perhaps in some respects with an Eastern European bias regarding her views on Serbia, but I certainly could not see anything from Trump that indicated he would be anything other than a disaster, and that is before any consideration of his personal behaviour over the decades in business and social situations is taken into account.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 20:11:32 GMT -5
So I have to choose between Trump and Oasis? No, because I need to be myself, and I can't be no-one else. Out of interest as I know you aren't American and not directly affected (at least yet) by his election what is it that appeals to you about Donald Trump? I made my feelings on both candidates clear in the 'U.S. Election' thread with my distrust of Hillary stemming back to the nineties, perhaps in some respects with an Eastern European bias regarding her views on Serbia, but I certainly could not see anything from Trump that indicated he would be anything other than a disaster, and that is before any consideration of his personal behaviour over the decades in business and social situations is taken into account. (I'm not that good in English, so I can't really express my thoughts) I'm not really pro-Trump. I always have some kind of sympathy for the underdog and I think that political correctness is one our biggest enemies. Do you live in freedom when you can't say what you think? It's your own choice to feel offended. I think it's an ethical thing, but that's an other discussion. What the media is doing at the moment, is horrible and disgusting. This is something that I read somewhere in Dutch so I tried to translate it: ''I have a dark suspicion that Trump's administration sometimes could be a blessing in disguise. Due to the upcoming US isolationism Europe is obliged to keep his trousers in all areas; economic, militarily and diplomatically. That can only lead to rigorous (much-needed) reforms in Europe, a better self-awareness and growing a spine, a transition which we sometimes good could come out all together.'' I like 'America first'. Country's should first look after their own people, and I think that what the USA (or what we) did to the Middle East is horrible. I don't really know how people are living in the US, so I can't really say things about that. Of course I don't know if it will be good in 2021. But nobody knows. Let's just wait and judge in 2020.
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Post by Jessica on Jan 21, 2017 21:18:45 GMT -5
Like him or not, we're here now, and we gotta give him the chance, and also believe in our system to do the necessary thing if it comes to it. Republicans aren't going to argue with him for four years and the same people aren't going to vote for him again if things don't change for the better in two.
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Post by matt on Jan 21, 2017 23:13:14 GMT -5
Out of interest as I know you aren't American and not directly affected (at least yet) by his election what is it that appeals to you about Donald Trump? I made my feelings on both candidates clear in the 'U.S. Election' thread with my distrust of Hillary stemming back to the nineties, perhaps in some respects with an Eastern European bias regarding her views on Serbia, but I certainly could not see anything from Trump that indicated he would be anything other than a disaster, and that is before any consideration of his personal behaviour over the decades in business and social situations is taken into account. (I'm not that good in English, so I can't really express my thoughts) I'm not really pro-Trump. I always have some kind of sympathy for the underdog and I think that political correctness is one our biggest enemies. Do you live in freedom when you can't say what you think? It's your own choice to feel offended. I think it's an ethical thing, but that's an other discussion. What the media is doing at the moment, is horrible and disgusting. This is something that I read somewhere in Dutch so I tried to translate it: ''I have a dark suspicion that Trump's administration sometimes could be a blessing in disguise. Due to the upcoming US isolationism Europe is obliged to keep his trousers in all areas; economic, militarily and diplomatically. That can only lead to rigorous (much-needed) reforms in Europe, a better self-awareness and growing a spine, a transition which we sometimes good could come out all together.'' I like 'America first'. Country's should first look after their own people, and I think that what the USA (or what we) did to the Middle East is horrible. I don't really know how people are living in the US, so I can't really say things about that. Of course I don't know if it will be good in 2021. But nobody knows. Let's just wait and judge in 2020. "Political correctness is one of our biggest enemies" So you do think it's alright to advocate racism and sexual assault?
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 22, 2017 2:53:31 GMT -5
@tjalke Question: As you probably know there will be elections for our parliament in March. Had you been 18+, would you have voted for PVV?
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Post by globe on Jan 22, 2017 5:39:37 GMT -5
Anyone see the White House press conference?! What the actual fuck?! Frightening mate.
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Post by mimmihopps on Jan 22, 2017 5:51:51 GMT -5
@tjalke Question: As you probably know there will be elections for our parliament in March. Had you been 18+, would you have voted for PVV? That's my thought exactly and he probably would. Back to the topic. It was 8 years ago today when I saw Oasis for the last time. Queuing in pouring rain for hours outside, standing at barrier front row, Liam got angry when somebody throw cup at him and he thought it was my friend and walked to the direction where we were standing, sung DLBIA loud out my heart. It was a great day, but I lost my coat after the gig and had to go back home in my sweater.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 6:03:56 GMT -5
Mean Mrs. Mustard mimmihoppsNo. If I was allowed to vote (I'm 17 and 11 months in March) I wouldn't have vote for PVV. Probably something like this: 1. FvD 2. SGP 3. CDA 4. VVD 5. PVV As you can see, I'm not a leftie, I'm a right wing. That doesn't mean that I'm a racist or homophobic. Wilders isn't the solution. He is stupid, but that lawsuit was wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 6:12:14 GMT -5
(I'm not that good in English, so I can't really express my thoughts) I'm not really pro-Trump. I always have some kind of sympathy for the underdog and I think that political correctness is one our biggest enemies. Do you live in freedom when you can't say what you think? It's your own choice to feel offended. I think it's an ethical thing, but that's an other discussion. What the media is doing at the moment, is horrible and disgusting. This is something that I read somewhere in Dutch so I tried to translate it: ''I have a dark suspicion that Trump's administration sometimes could be a blessing in disguise. Due to the upcoming US isolationism Europe is obliged to keep his trousers in all areas; economic, militarily and diplomatically. That can only lead to rigorous (much-needed) reforms in Europe, a better self-awareness and growing a spine, a transition which we sometimes good could come out all together.'' I like 'America first'. Country's should first look after their own people, and I think that what the USA (or what we) did to the Middle East is horrible. I don't really know how people are living in the US, so I can't really say things about that. Of course I don't know if it will be good in 2021. But nobody knows. Let's just wait and judge in 2020. "Political correctness is one of our biggest enemies" So you do think it's alright to advocate racism and sexual assault? No.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jan 22, 2017 6:33:59 GMT -5
It's always a sorry sight, seeing young people identify themselves as being right-wing.
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Jan 22, 2017 6:47:31 GMT -5
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Jan 22, 2017 6:50:15 GMT -5
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Post by joladella on Jan 22, 2017 7:06:54 GMT -5
Fake news! www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/22/trump-inauguration-crowd-sean-spicers-claims-versus-the-evidenceThat's what's scaring me shitless, among other things, the way they deal with the press, if it reports sth they don't like. As for "America first" being a good thing, brilliant. In that case, could Trump kindly keep his nose out of EU politics and not gleefully praise the - in his opinion - upcoming breakup? Some commentator here put it like that, his speech sounded as if USA had come out of a dictatorship and this had been the first free elections.
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on Jan 22, 2017 7:24:49 GMT -5
well not really, whats that 1.7 million? theres about 319 million in the US, hardly "united". merely small fraction like there is for anything else. just sayin. Protests all over the United States yesterday.....heard the largest number of protests ever. Thanks.
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