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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 23:15:31 GMT -5
Hey fuck you. You can not like them, that's your right. But calling them kiddy pop is verbal diarrhea Fuck me  And you say I have a temper ARUN ........m m m Tsk tsk. Guess you can't handle a debate SWEETIE  Why are you being a dick? You're the one who told me to fuck off. You can't hold a debate to save your life mate, you just start going to insults when you know you're losing. I don't think I said anything out of order there. |
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Post by Cast on Aug 5, 2015 23:55:39 GMT -5
Seems like a lot of people here and just the public in general have different definitions of rock n' roll (hell look whose in the "rock n' roll" hall of lame) and that's what's splitting the room.
The Beatles for me has always been more of a pop band than a rock band, because their sense of melody always triumphed over raw power and attitude that characterizes most of rock n roll, but more importantly the beatles transcended genres. An album like Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band isn't really a "rock n' roll" album if you really think about it in a traditional sense, however it revolutionized what pop/rock band could do in the studio. It opened new doors for the genre. But songs like Lovely Rita, Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite!, etc are pop tunes at heart and there's a certain group of people who might take offense if you called them rock songs, and I see where they are coming from.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 2:08:45 GMT -5
For me, the Beatles are the greatest band of all time. Not my personal favourites (although they are probably number 2 after Oasis), but certainly the greatest.
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Post by mimmihopps on Aug 6, 2015 2:59:46 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with pop songs. Of course there's tons of rubbish fake pop songs in past and these days, but there's also lots of great timeless pop songs. Think about all those great job done by Phil Spector.
The Smiths - my life time band, have never been a "rock" band, not to me anyway.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Aug 6, 2015 4:01:52 GMT -5
Hmmm, though one... Abbey Road more timeless, yes, without a doubt. But, if you compare the level both albums, well it is not evident. I consider that Abbey Road has 4 great songs : Something, Here Comes The Sun, Come Together and Because (+the medley)pretty good songs (Oh Darling!, I Want You!) and shitty ones (Maxwel, hmm...) Pepper has strong highlights (A Day In The Life, Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds) some not too good songs (Good Morning, Good Morning; Lovely Rita)and some underrated gems (She's Leaving Home, Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite) Both are their qualities and are brilliant. Lille preference for the Pepper Anyway, White Album Forever  IF it didn't have Revolution 9 on it... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 4:19:32 GMT -5
Hmmm, though one... Abbey Road more timeless, yes, without a doubt. But, if you compare the level both albums, well it is not evident. I consider that Abbey Road has 4 great songs : Something, Here Comes The Sun, Come Together and Because (+the medley)pretty good songs (Oh Darling!, I Want You!) and shitty ones (Maxwel, hmm...) Pepper has strong highlights (A Day In The Life, Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds) some not too good songs (Good Morning, Good Morning; Lovely Rita)and some underrated gems (She's Leaving Home, Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite) Both are their qualities and are brilliant. Lille preference for the Pepper Anyway, White Album Forever IF it didn't have Revolution 9 on it... Yeah of course (I always skip that shit)  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 4:54:57 GMT -5
The genius of the Beatles in their "kiddy pop" years was that their songs were just so incredibly layered and beautifully crafted. The way they handled harmonies and melodies was just brilliant and in the 60's it was something else to have such complex and brilliantly composed and arranged songs. That is the reason their pop albums still stand strong among their later more progressive work. As for Sgt. Pepper, I'm sorry but it is simply one of, if not the greatest album of all time(the only other album that'd come close is Abbey Road or Dark Side). It was brilliant in the 60's and it is brilliant now for the simple reason that it pushed the envelope. To me, Sgt. Pepper was the first great "Rock" album. The sheer genius of the songs and the juxtaposition between Lennon and McCartney's songwriting is another reason for its greatness in my opinion. Not only that, it contains probably the greatest song of all time, A Day In The Life. The album is such a great mix of psychadellia and rock, the likes of which had never been seen before. It ventured into a musical landscape which was unheard of at the time. The distorted guitars, the orchestral arrangements, the stereo imaging and Indian instruments are just some of the innovations on the album. If you're a guitar player and you've attemp to play the songs from this album or any of their work, you'll see a whole new layer to the music which makes you appreciate the work of the Beatles and this record even more. Which is one of the reasons this record is cited as an influence by so many countless musicians. Apart from that I'm pretty sure this one album has influenced more pop culture, music, fashion, etc. than all the Stones' work combined. The thing with the Stones was that they never pushed the envelope. The Beatles were always innovating and trying out new things whereas I've not heard the Stones do anything like that. Now that isn't a slight on them but this innovation is what makes the Beatles a far superior band. They started off as a pop/rock n roll band and over the years evolved into the pioneers of rock. And the number of genres they've ventured into is quite astounding and in my opinion they've never experimented just for the sake of it, they've always nailed whatever genre they attempted and pioneered some of the genres on the way, be it pop, folk-rock, experimental music, rock or psychedelia. I find it ammusing that the Stones had the image of rebels whereas the Beatles were the so called good guys. Musically speaking it was quite the opposite, The Beatles were most definitely the rebels. So the Beatles did more for music in the 10 years they were together than the Rolling Stones have done for the 50+ years they've been together in my opinion. I understand not everyone has to "get" the Beatles but dismissing them outright is just being daft. first off. Welcome back ...second off. I disagree , but what else so new ...lol |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 4:57:14 GMT -5
Fuck me And you say I have a temper ARUN ........m m m Tsk tsk. Guess you can't handle a debate SWEETIE Why are you being a dick? You're the one who told me to fuck off. You can't hold a debate to save your life mate, you just start going to insults when you know you're losing. I don't think I said anything out of order there. I can't hold a debate ! mimmihopps John Henry Holliday , you both have the gall to like ? Come on all three of you , I'll debate you and win every time .......you just wrote a check you can't cash .....bring it , name the topic , let's debate ......and John Henry Holliday you liking posts is getting very old |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 5:00:12 GMT -5
And the term " fuck off " was meant in jest like in a bar drinking with friends .......something mimmihopps and John Henry Holliday should know by now ....but there trying to be clever , i have said for years i type like im in a bar with the lads ....fuck off just means ,,, shut up , lol. Your taking it way to personal ....mate |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 6:23:48 GMT -5
Hmmm, though one... Abbey Road more timeless, yes, without a doubt. But, if you compare the level both albums, well it is not evident. I consider that Abbey Road has 4 great songs : Something, Here Comes The Sun, Come Together and Because (+the medley)pretty good songs (Oh Darling!, I Want You!) and shitty ones (Maxwel, hmm...) Pepper has strong highlights (A Day In The Life, Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds) some not too good songs (Good Morning, Good Morning; Lovely Rita)and some underrated gems (She's Leaving Home, Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite) Both are their qualities and are brilliant. Lille preference for the Pepper Anyway, White Album Forever IF it didn't have Revolution 9 on it... and, 'wild honey pie'  |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 6, 2015 6:23:55 GMT -5
Woah.
I don't even know where to begin here. I don't give a fuck if people like the Beatles or not, that's their loss, but to say they weren't innovative, just made pop, weren't a good band etc. is just plain ignorant. It shows you don't know anything about them. Even their popsongs were very different from what was coming out at the time, touching different subjects, layering the songs in a different way, attracting a wider audience by using more words as he/she/you..
I'm not even going to defend them and write a whole essay about why and how and when, because a lot of people have already done that in this thread, and way better than I would ever be able to, but The Beatles are the most influential group EVER and there's a reason for that. The Stones were great, don't get me wrong. I saw them live and enjoyed it, but they should've stopped decades ago. And for The Stones to call Sgt Pepper shit or the Beatles derivative is simply laughable. Bitter c*nts. Keith is awesome but damn, is he full of shit or what
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 6:28:25 GMT -5
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Aug 6, 2015 6:29:19 GMT -5
IF it didn't have Revolution 9 on it... and, 'wild honey pie' Nah, I can live with that. At least after a minute it's over. It doesn't keep droning on for another seven and a half like Revolution 9! |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Aug 6, 2015 6:29:48 GMT -5
The genius of the Beatles in their "kiddy pop" years was that their songs were just so incredibly layered and beautifully crafted. The way they handled harmonies and melodies was just brilliant and in the 60's it was something else to have such complex and brilliantly composed and arranged songs. That is the reason their pop albums still stand strong among their later more progressive work. As for Sgt. Pepper, I'm sorry but it is simply one of, if not the greatest album of all time(the only other album that'd come close is Abbey Road or Dark Side). It was brilliant in the 60's and it is brilliant now for the simple reason that it pushed the envelope. To me, Sgt. Pepper was the first great "Rock" album. The sheer genius of the songs and the juxtaposition between Lennon and McCartney's songwriting is another reason for its greatness in my opinion. Not only that, it contains probably the greatest song of all time, A Day In The Life. The album is such a great mix of psychadellia and rock, the likes of which had never been seen before. It ventured into a musical landscape which was unheard of at the time. The distorted guitars, the orchestral arrangements, the stereo imaging and Indian instruments are just some of the innovations on the album. If you're a guitar player and you've attemp to play the songs from this album or any of their work, you'll see a whole new layer to the music which makes you appreciate the work of the Beatles and this record even more. Which is one of the reasons this record is cited as an influence by so many countless musicians. Apart from that I'm pretty sure this one album has influenced more pop culture, music, fashion, etc. than all the Stones' work combined. The thing with the Stones was that they never pushed the envelope. The Beatles were always innovating and trying out new things whereas I've not heard the Stones do anything like that. Now that isn't a slight on them but this innovation is what makes the Beatles a far superior band. They started off as a pop/rock n roll band and over the years evolved into the pioneers of rock. And the number of genres they've ventured into is quite astounding and in my opinion they've never experimented just for the sake of it, they've always nailed whatever genre they attempted and pioneered some of the genres on the way, be it pop, folk-rock, experimental music, rock or psychedelia. I find it ammusing that the Stones had the image of rebels whereas the Beatles were the so called good guys. Musically speaking it was quite the opposite, The Beatles were most definitely the rebels. So the Beatles did more for music in the 10 years they were together than the Rolling Stones have done for the 50+ years they've been together in my opinion. I understand not everyone has to "get" the Beatles but dismissing them outright is just being daft. He returns................ |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 6:31:47 GMT -5
and, 'wild honey pie' Nah, I can live with that. At least after a minute it's over. It doesn't keep droning on for another seven and a half like Revolution 9! |
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Aug 6, 2015 7:31:47 GMT -5
More importantly
Some 60's Shoegaze
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 9:12:18 GMT -5
And the term " fuck off " was meant in jest like in a bar drinking with friends .......something mimmihopps and John Henry Holliday should know by now ....but there trying to be clever , i have said for years i type like im in a bar with the lads ....fuck off just means ,,, shut up , lol. Your taking it way to personal ....mate well,,,,,,,,,,you SEE kalas. I TYPE like im on my LAPTOP. im not in a,,,,,,,,,BAR. by now you should KNOW i just naturally SWEAR like a TROOPER and that its not any,,,,,,INDICATION of my temper. you SEE your thev one who make it PERSONAL by trying TO rile me by USING my real name which pissed ME of once UPON a time but now do NOT really mind or calling me SWEETIE which is what you used To,,,,,,end your bizzarely homophobic rants in my inbox WITH when you were strung out on SOME sort of SUBSTANCE... . anyway,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you just PROVED you cant debate by JUST throwin out baseless arguements,,,such as BEATLES are a kiddy pop band and then telling PEOPLE to fuck OFF who disagreed. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 9:41:07 GMT -5
And the term " fuck off " was meant in jest like in a bar drinking with friends .......something mimmihopps and John Henry Holliday should know by now ....but there trying to be clever , i have said for years i type like im in a bar with the lads ....fuck off just means ,,, shut up , lol. Your taking it way to personal ....mate well,,,,,,,,,,you SEE kalas. I TYPE like im on my LAPTOP. im not in a,,,,,,,,,BAR. by now you should KNOW i just naturally SWEAR like a TROOPER and that its not any,,,,,,INDICATION of my temper. you SEE your thev one who make it PERSONAL by trying TO rile me by USING my real name which pissed ME of once UPON a time but now do NOT really mind or calling me SWEETIE which is what you used To,,,,,,end your bizzarely homophobic rants in my inbox WITH when you were strung out on SOME sort of SUBSTANCE... . anyway,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you just PROVED you cant debate by JUST throwin out baseless arguements,,,such as BEATLES are a kiddy pop band and then telling PEOPLE to fuck OFF who disagreed. Arum please take a chill pill. Read what you just type .....go down a lemon 714 or 3. ( qualudes ). Sheesh Whatever bro |
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Post by sgtpeppr on Aug 6, 2015 9:41:45 GMT -5
nope. im no keith richards, but for me, its their best album and one of the best albums of all time.
if anyone else said it, id think they didnt know music...as it is, he must just be back on the gas.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 9:48:40 GMT -5
I don't think there's any worthwhile argument that the The Beatles weren't the greatest band of all time (if you are to invest in such a concept), you can hate every single song they ever put out but their incredible legacy is simply untouchable. As for Keith, it is odd to call an album like Sgt. Pepper's a "mishmash of rubbish", but that's his opinion. What would be truly ridiculous would be if he doubted its importance or significance.
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Post by John Henry Holliday on Aug 6, 2015 10:17:37 GMT -5
This thread reminds me of the time Jane Fonda and myself were doing coke off Truman Capoté's tits at the Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band Launch Party.
It was the 60's.....
God bless.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Aug 6, 2015 12:35:31 GMT -5
I don't like Sgt Pepper that much. I don't really like the theatre feel to it and certainly don't think its near there best work.
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Post by Headmaster on Aug 6, 2015 13:08:30 GMT -5
I think The Beatles are the greatest, they are the kings of melody and innovation, but it's not a crime to prefer other bands over The Beatles, and I can see why many prefer other bands than them.
I used to defend the Beatles at every opportunity, on internet or with friends, saying the they are much better than Led Zep, Stones and others...
I still think that Beatles are the greatest, but now I much prefer listenning to Led Zep or Stones over them, it may be because I heard the Beatles too much or that the Stones songs are rawer, dunno exactly.
Also I can't stand anymore the Beatles early albums, buy me love, hold hands, need love... too saccharine for my tastes, but I love them after Help.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 15:12:08 GMT -5
well,,,,,,,,,,you SEE kalas. I TYPE like im on my LAPTOP. im not in a,,,,,,,,,BAR. by now you should KNOW i just naturally SWEAR like a TROOPER and that its not any,,,,,,INDICATION of my temper. you SEE your thev one who make it PERSONAL by trying TO rile me by USING my real name which pissed ME of once UPON a time but now do NOT really mind or calling me SWEETIE which is what you used To,,,,,,end your bizzarely homophobic rants in my inbox WITH when you were strung out on SOME sort of SUBSTANCE... . anyway,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you just PROVED you cant debate by JUST throwin out baseless arguements,,,such as BEATLES are a kiddy pop band and then telling PEOPLE to fuck OFF who disagreed. Arum please take a chill pill. Read what you just type .....go down a lemon 714 or 3. ( qualudes ). Sheesh Whatever bro 1v1 me on rust,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, m9 #loser |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 15:13:49 GMT -5
This thread reminds me of the time Jane Fonda and myself were doing coke off Truman Capoté's tits at the Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band Launch Party. It was the 60's..... God bless. Sgt Pepper is my favourite Nirvana album, I loved when Mike Ness growled Master of Puppets on the bside. |
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