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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 9:11:05 GMT -5
I've no idea how it works but just imagine in 1995 the 5 bandmembers got 10 pound for every sold copy. Did Noel get everything? Every member 2 pound? Does somebody know this? (I hope everybody understands what I mean)
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Post by Gas Panic on Aug 1, 2015 9:15:44 GMT -5
I've no idea how it works but just imagine in 1995 the 5 bandmembers got 10 pound for every sold copy. Did Noel get everything? Every member 2 pound? Does somebody know this? (I hope everybody understands what I mean) I have no real idea exactly what they would have got but I can almost guarantee you they wouldnt have got £10 from every purchase. Once the record company took their cut Noel would have receieved the lion share though as the songwriter. It would be ver interesting to know how much Guigsy got per album for example. Maybe 10p?! |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 1, 2015 11:12:15 GMT -5
I've no idea how it works but just imagine in 1995 the 5 bandmembers got 10 pound for every sold copy. Did Noel get everything? Every member 2 pound? Does somebody know this? (I hope everybody understands what I mean) Having worked in the business it's a little more complicated than that. Back then royalty rates varied in the UK at least from £0.40 to £1.25 per album sold, and certainly on their initial deal Oasis wouldn't have been at the highest end (although as part of Creation Records renogatiating their licensing in 1996 Marcus Russell got a percentage increase). The band would have then paid say 20% to Management as an industry standard figure, as well as being deducted recording and promotional costs. Noel's share of the monies would be gleaned primarily from music publishing, which is the rights to the actual song rather than a recording. This is paid separately for both record sales and other methods such as advertising licensing, radio/tv airplay, film placement, etc. and would have been split with his publisher, which was Sony/ATV. The bulk of monies these days are touring, and even at Oasis peak this and merchansdising could generate millions if successful, which is probably where the non songwriters derived a good income from. As a point Alan White was paid off with a six figure sum, as was Tony McCarroll, which sounds alot but compared to what people assume these guys earned shows that perception can be way off.  |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 1, 2015 11:14:33 GMT -5
Noel got everything, that's why they are all homeless crack addicts who live under a bridge now.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 1, 2015 11:15:43 GMT -5
Noel got everything, that's why they are all homeless crack addicts who live under a bridge now. Are you still charging ground rent for their boxes under that bridge?  |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 1, 2015 11:18:42 GMT -5
Noel got everything, that's why they are all homeless crack addicts who live under a bridge now. Are you still charging ground rent for their boxes under that bridge? Of course. Anyway, I don't have time for this. There's a pool of money that's waiting to be swum in. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 1, 2015 12:00:51 GMT -5
Are you still charging ground rent for their boxes under that bridge? Of course. Anyway, I don't have time for this. There's a pool of money that's waiting to be swum in. And your are Gareth Evans of the International and Stone Roses fame, so I claim my tenner prize |
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Post by nataliemckinney on Aug 1, 2015 12:16:47 GMT -5
I've no idea how it works but just imagine in 1995 the 5 bandmembers got 10 pound for every sold copy. Did Noel get everything? Every member 2 pound? Does somebody know this? (I hope everybody understands what I mean) Having worked in the business it's a little more complicated than that. Back then royalty rates varied in the UK at least from £0.40 to £1.25 per album sold, and certainly on their initial deal Oasis wouldn't have been at the highest end (although as part of Creation Records renogatiating their licensing in 1996 Marcus Russell got a percentage increase). The band would have then paid say 20% to Management as an industry standard figure, as well as being deducted recording and promotional costs. Noel's share of the monies would be gleaned primarily from music publishing, which is the rights to the actual song rather than a recording. This is paid separately for both record sales and other methods such as advertising licensing, radio/tv airplay, film placement, etc. and would have been split with his publisher, which was Sony/ATV. The bulk of monies these days are touring, and even at Oasis peak this and merchansdising could generate millions if successful, which is probably where the non songwriters derived a good income from. As a point Alan White was paid off with a six figure sum, as was Tony McCarroll, which sounds alot but compared to what people assume these guys earned shows that perception can be way off. :) Thanks for this GuigsysEstring - great information! Are you familiar at all with record labels and contracts with artists? For example, if an artist wanted to change record labels in the middle of a contract, could the record label keep them from moving to another label before fulfilling their contract? (I'm writing a book, and my main character is in a band. I'm trying to try come up with a plausible reason why the band would need to stay with a certain label when they want to go with another.) |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 1, 2015 12:25:42 GMT -5
Having worked in the business it's a little more complicated than that. Back then royalty rates varied in the UK at least from £0.40 to £1.25 per album sold, and certainly on their initial deal Oasis wouldn't have been at the highest end (although as part of Creation Records renogatiating their licensing in 1996 Marcus Russell got a percentage increase). The band would have then paid say 20% to Management as an industry standard figure, as well as being deducted recording and promotional costs. Noel's share of the monies would be gleaned primarily from music publishing, which is the rights to the actual song rather than a recording. This is paid separately for both record sales and other methods such as advertising licensing, radio/tv airplay, film placement, etc. and would have been split with his publisher, which was Sony/ATV. The bulk of monies these days are touring, and even at Oasis peak this and merchansdising could generate millions if successful, which is probably where the non songwriters derived a good income from. As a point Alan White was paid off with a six figure sum, as was Tony McCarroll, which sounds alot but compared to what people assume these guys earned shows that perception can be way off. Thanks for this GuigsysEstring - great information! Are you familiar at all with record labels and contracts with artists? For example, if an artist wanted to change record labels in the middle of a contract, could the record label keep them from moving to another label before fulfilling their contract? (I'm writing a book, and my main character is in a band. I'm trying to try come up with a plausible reason why the band would need to stay with a certain label when they want to go with another.) As a rule if the contract is well written no- See George Michael vs Sony and Stone Roses vs Silvertone Records for further details. These cases both ended in court with George Michael losing millions but being released, and The Roses had to wait out the number of years on their contract before being allowed to release a record, even though they signed to Geffen on deciding to leave Silvertone. Record companies learnt from experience and legal issues early on, which is why artists are locked in for a number of album cycles and/or a set number of years- it also depends on what country you sign in. I saw your American (I think?!) so I would recommend Donald S. Passman, a music industry lawyer who has written extensive books and papers on the US music industry. Good luck Also feel free to ask anything else, I'll answer if I can!! |
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Post by thomuk2006 on Aug 1, 2015 12:47:08 GMT -5
So does anyone think Bonehead and Guigsy are millionaires? Surely? how about Alan White?
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 1, 2015 12:51:56 GMT -5
So does anyone think Bonehead and Guigsy are millionaires? Surely? how about Alan White? they will have made over seven figures, just not from the sources most people would think Also if they were getting good advice at the time they would have invested into financial or property schemes, apparently Alan White is now a property developer in and around London, and Alan McGee did the same with his Creation Records fortune to make it even bigger |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 14:52:54 GMT -5
I've heard Guigsy's back working in the BT call centre.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 1, 2015 15:11:23 GMT -5
I've heard Guigsy's back working in the BT call centre. Did he relocate overseas in the 00's, then come back again like everyone else there? After all that effort of leaving so as not to tour, poor beggar....  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 18:25:44 GMT -5
So does anyone think Bonehead and Guigsy are millionaires? Surely? how about Alan White? I think they are/were, Alan White too |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2015 18:25:55 GMT -5
I've no idea how it works but just imagine in 1995 the 5 bandmembers got 10 pound for every sold copy. Did Noel get everything? Every member 2 pound? Does somebody know this? (I hope everybody understands what I mean) Having worked in the business it's a little more complicated than that. Back then royalty rates varied in the UK at least from £0.40 to £1.25 per album sold, and certainly on their initial deal Oasis wouldn't have been at the highest end (although as part of Creation Records renogatiating their licensing in 1996 Marcus Russell got a percentage increase). The band would have then paid say 20% to Management as an industry standard figure, as well as being deducted recording and promotional costs. Noel's share of the monies would be gleaned primarily from music publishing, which is the rights to the actual song rather than a recording. This is paid separately for both record sales and other methods such as advertising licensing, radio/tv airplay, film placement, etc. and would have been split with his publisher, which was Sony/ATV. The bulk of monies these days are touring, and even at Oasis peak this and merchansdising could generate millions if successful, which is probably where the non songwriters derived a good income from. As a point Alan White was paid off with a six figure sum, as was Tony McCarroll, which sounds alot but compared to what people assume these guys earned shows that perception can be way off. Thanks a lot mate! |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 1, 2015 20:00:34 GMT -5
Having worked in the business it's a little more complicated than that. Back then royalty rates varied in the UK at least from £0.40 to £1.25 per album sold, and certainly on their initial deal Oasis wouldn't have been at the highest end (although as part of Creation Records renogatiating their licensing in 1996 Marcus Russell got a percentage increase). The band would have then paid say 20% to Management as an industry standard figure, as well as being deducted recording and promotional costs. Noel's share of the monies would be gleaned primarily from music publishing, which is the rights to the actual song rather than a recording. This is paid separately for both record sales and other methods such as advertising licensing, radio/tv airplay, film placement, etc. and would have been split with his publisher, which was Sony/ATV. The bulk of monies these days are touring, and even at Oasis peak this and merchansdising could generate millions if successful, which is probably where the non songwriters derived a good income from. As a point Alan White was paid off with a six figure sum, as was Tony McCarroll, which sounds alot but compared to what people assume these guys earned shows that perception can be way off. Thanks a lot mate! you're welcome |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2015 2:15:36 GMT -5
Liam and Noel have both a net worth of 60 million
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Post by oasisnz on Aug 2, 2015 2:53:50 GMT -5
Liam and Noel have both a net worth of 60 million I think those figures are outdated and wrong. I imagine Noel would have a higher networth but I dunno for certain.  |
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Post by ManofMisery on Aug 2, 2015 3:47:28 GMT -5
I've heard Guigsy's back working in the BT call centre. He cut £15 a month off my bill...legend that he is. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Aug 2, 2015 4:04:15 GMT -5
Liam and Noel have both a net worth of 60 million I think those figures are outdated and wrong. I think Noel would have a higher networth but I dunno for certain. I'm pretty sure Noel has a higher networth, I mean, he earned and still earns a lot from Oasis songs, and his solo career isn't going terrible either. Anyway, I think Liam is doing really well too, thanks to Pretty Green. |
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Post by Gin & Tonic on Aug 2, 2015 4:55:57 GMT -5
Liam gets about £120K from Pretty Green every year just for "consultancy services" alone.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 2, 2015 4:59:37 GMT -5
I think those figures are outdated and wrong. I think Noel would have a higher networth but I dunno for certain. I'm pretty sure Noel has a higher networth, I mean, he earned and still earns a lot from Oasis songs, and his solo career isn't going terrible either. Anyway, I think Liam is doing really well too, thanks to Pretty Green. I think that came from the Sunday Times Rich List quite a few years ago, and they can be quite inaccurate for example treating Oasis as if the Gallaghers would have derived an equal income when the lion's share of the publishing and high earning songs are held by and written by Noel. The other thing to take into acount is Liam has had a divorce that could have taken up to half his bank based cash, minus any assets he gave his ex-wife, for example their marital home. Couple that with two underperforming Beady Eye albums and I suspect he hasn't had a substantial income from music for a while, which is why the Oasis reunion card gets bandied around so much. This isn't to say he is skint in any way, he has the clothing line which depends if he's on a profit share or royalty per item sold, and also probably has other investments that make a tidy sum. I would assume though that Noel from his songwriting and continued success, along with any other investments he has, will probably have a higher net worth than Liam. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Aug 2, 2015 5:04:03 GMT -5
I've heard Guigsy's back working in the BT call centre. He cut £15 a month off my bill...legend that he is. What a star- you can spend that on the BT Sports package for La Liga and watch that Oasis supporting football legend that is Lionel Messi tear up the pitch |
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Post by vespa on Aug 4, 2015 5:44:58 GMT -5
oasis had a very good record deal at there peak and made a lot of money . Theres a story somewhere from bonehead that when he went to a cash point once to get a few quid out for a round of beers there was about 650 000 pounds in it. Mcghee only ever wanted to make a few million so gave them a really good deal but when it went into another world I believe they rewrote a few deals within the band , but everyone bar tony mccarrol would be millionaires
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 5:54:29 GMT -5
oasis had a very good record deal at there peak and made a lot of money . Theres a story somewhere from bonehead that when he went to a cash point once to get a few quid out for a round of beers there was about 650 000 pounds in it. Mcghee only ever wanted to make a few million so gave them a really good deal but when it went into another world I believe they rewrote a few deals within the band , but everyone bar tony mccarrol would be millionaires I think Tony has enough money too though |
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