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Post by Doc Lobster on Jul 23, 2015 11:20:06 GMT -5
If Oasis last few albums were all like SOTSOG they wouldn't be acclaimed for their different approach. SOTSOG was panned because we went from a band of anthemic masterpieces to downbeat uninspiring songs. Sunday Morning Call isn't Noel experimenting. Its Noel trying to produce a ballad with no inspiration. Fuckin In The Bushes is archetypical Oasis, Go Let It Out is heavily Beatles inspired (hardly new direction), songs like Who Feels Love are produced great but I'd hardly say its a bold new approach. I just think its a tired album. The only Oasis album that lacks a truly great song. I don't agree that Oasis were flogging a corpse post 2000 either. I look at that DBTT period as a time where Oasis reclaimed their reputation and influence. At a time when so many bands like Arctic Monkeys, Kasabian and The Libertines were citing them as a major influence, you had the band looking as cool as ever, on a huge worldwide tour, with great camaraderie and most importantly fantastic oasis anthems again. You're missing the point I tried to make above. SOTSOG is not a masterpiece by any means and it's lacking inspiration in a lot of places, but it's definitely a different approach to production and arrangements for Oasis. A different sound for them. Consider how monotone in terms of arrangements Definitely Maybe and Be Here Now are (with WTSMG being a bit more varied), and compare them to SOTSOG. The issue is that, when dealing with critical and fan rejection, Noel assumed the new sound was the problem, and not the fact that he had included shit like ICSAL on the album. He thought that his audience (the proverbial guy on the dole with a pack on Bensons, as he always likes to tell) got scared about the production tricks, loops and fancy arrangements. So, the next time around we got an album with bad songs and an insipid sound. Hardly an improvement, I would say. What Noel should have done is realise that he had a good producer and clever ideas for the sounds, accept that they would never be the same band as in the 1993-1998 period, and focus on writing good stuff. As for SOTSOG not having a great song, I think Gas Panic and Go Let It Out are amongst the best Oasis tunes. There's a great track in Roll It Over, but the ripped-off solo and Liam's cut-and-paste vocals on the chorus let it a bit down. I like the demo better. Fuckin' in the Bushes is a great opener and makes an impact. The rest of the album ranges from uninteresting to awful, I prefer some of the B-sides. |
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Post by beentherenow on Jul 23, 2015 11:31:29 GMT -5
Gas Panic, Go Let It Out, Who Feels Love? Where Did It All Go Wrong? and Roll It Over are all better than any song off Heathen Chemistry in my opinion. Songbird is the only track near I fucking hate Heathen Chemistry with an absolute passion. I can't wish DOYS or DBTT never existed because of TIOBI, TUTS, Lyla and tracks 1-7 of DOYS but there is not one redeemable factor of Heathen Chemistry which I would save it from the depths of hell for. Its got shit songs, shit songs which sound awful and even if No Way Sis would have put it out as an original album I'd have been disappointed because it sounded too much like an Oasis tribute act. When Force of Nature is only the 5th worst track on an album you know youre in trouble Fuckin in the Bushes archetypal Oasis? Name which of the three albums which proceeded or followed it which it could have gone on? Same for Gas Panic? PS. I don't like HC  |
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Post by glider on Jul 23, 2015 12:38:49 GMT -5
SOTSOG will always be the last classic Oasis album to me. Sure it doesn't have the same youthful and anthem-driven songs that made the 1993-1997 era so great, but aside from some obvious farces, it's the last time Liam's voice has been in the top-tier category, and the album wasn't afraid to go into dark places that in turn made tunes become classics, such as Gas Panic, and Go Let It Out which feels more dark but still lingers in that anthem-like songwriting and spark that encapsulated the 90s.
Nevertheless, in an ideal timeline, they should've went away into the shadows right after Morning Glory, being the biggest band in the world, and then boom - gone. Only to reemerge in '99 or 2000 with high caliber, amazing tunes with a new album that goes from anthems and youthful ballads, rockers, and then dark and experimental themes, taking the best of DM and WTSMG, and adding something new and exciting. That would've cemented their legacy.
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Post by World71R on Jul 23, 2015 13:13:26 GMT -5
SOTSOG will always be the last classic Oasis album to me. Sure it doesn't have the same youthful and anthem-driven songs that made the 1993-1997 era so great, but aside from some obvious farces, it's the last time Liam's voice has been in the top-tier category, and the album wasn't afraid to go into dark places that in turn made tunes become classics, such as Gas Panic, and Go Let It Out which feels more dark but still lingers in that anthem-like songwriting and spark that encapsulated the 90s. Nevertheless, in an ideal timeline, they should've went away into the shadows right after Morning Glory, being the biggest band in the world, and then boom - gone. Only to reemerge in '99 or 2000 with high caliber, amazing tunes with a new album that goes from anthems and youthful ballads, rockers, and then dark and experimental themes, taking the best of DM and WTSMG, and adding something new and exciting. That would've cemented their legacy. I think that's what makes the omission of Let's All Make Believe so glaring because it had an anthem quality to it, but had a darker spin on it. If that would've made the album, along with Full On, instead of LJ and SMC, which seem to plod on, I think the outlook on the band would've been better and shown that they were still the same old rockin' band, but were taking a turn to experiment more. With that said, and what you said in the second paragraph, SOTSOG would've been that ultimate album you mentioned. Sure, you would've had Be Here Now still lingering over the band, but I think that the sound would've gone down a different route than what we got with HC. |
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Post by scott1 on Jul 23, 2015 13:27:13 GMT -5
When was Noel least inspired?
When he chose the title of his first solo record, of course.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jul 24, 2015 4:33:39 GMT -5
It seems like every topic on albums or periods of Oasis we say what if that b side was there or if we put those songs from that period together with that period and waited for while after Knebworth we would have got this album.
This is Oasis. A massive part of me coming to love this band was finding gems hidden away on a b side and being blown away. I think its part of the reason why people who love Oasis are obsessed by Oasis and other people don't get it and say they're overrated. We get it and its because of the scattered genius.
Yes, they'd have cemented a worldwide legacy, conquered america and be up there with the Beatles if they'd have done this and that but if they were professionals who crafted each decision the right way the you'd have never had Oasis anyway.
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