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Post by beentherenow on Jul 20, 2015 13:04:53 GMT -5
Noel has said numerous times that in the lead up to SOTSOG he was feeling 'uninspired' as a songwriter and that album should never have been made. Maybe the second part is partially true or at least how it finished up but the first part has always seemed out of place for me.
When you look at the facts it was actually a very prolific time for Noel especially when you compare it to later years and arguably his best streak he ever had since before Morning Glory. People often forget the little time they had from the end of the BHN tour to the beginning of the SOTSOG sessions; about 13 months. In that time he wrote the below (I'm not an expert and happy to be proved wrong if these dates are out)
Fuckin in the bushes
Go Let It Out
Who Feels Love?
PYMWYMi
Gas Panic!
WDIAGW
Sunday Morning Call
I Can See A Liar
Roll It Over
Let's All Make Believe
As Long As They've Got Cigarettes in Hell
One Way Road
Carry Us All
Full On
Little By Little
It's A Crime
Revolution Song
Force of Nature
Just Getting Older
And probably a few more. Ok not every song is A classic but that's still an impressive list for a relatively short space of time. Compare that to HC which I know was a democracy album but still 2 of Noel's 6 tracks which made it on the album originated from that 'uninspired' period (maybe more)
Therefore the point in making is uninspired is definitely the wrong word for me. Unhappy maybe but his songs and lyrics around 1999 were actually the most inspired
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Post by allingoodtime on Jul 20, 2015 13:26:05 GMT -5
I would say 2002-2005
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Post by Norbert Gallhager on Jul 20, 2015 13:46:14 GMT -5
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Post by World71R on Jul 20, 2015 13:46:43 GMT -5
During the Heathen Chemistry period. It seemed like that era was filled with attempts at rehashing elements of old Oasis songs (Little by Little), leftovers from the SOTSOG period (Just Getting Older), and poor dad-rock infused attempts at neo-psychedelia (Probably All in the Mind).
I still don't get how he could say that he was uninspired during the SOTSOG period. That is the most experimental period of the band, the point where the sound shifted big time, and when the last really good Oasis album until Don't Believe the Truth was released 5 years later.
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Post by allingoodtime on Jul 20, 2015 13:54:40 GMT -5
I wouldnt say he was uninspired during the SOTSOG period.
He experimented and it almost paid off..
Songs like Who feels love and Gas Panic are very different to the usual Oasis songs and they're 2 of my favourites.
Go let it out is great as is Roll it over while FITB is a great opener.
Unfortunately the rest of the album doesn't hold up as well. The album just needed more time imo
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jul 20, 2015 14:14:39 GMT -5
His songwriting was quite awful in the early 2000s. For someone of his calibre, that is.
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Post by javitorres86 on Jul 20, 2015 14:15:15 GMT -5
SOTSOG is the most inspirated period of the band, if we don't speak about the first period! Amaizing tunes mates! And THIS was the last complete album only with noel songwritting songs (except little james). IMO any non-gallagher should put his song in an oasis album...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 14:17:19 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry era.
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Post by World71R on Jul 20, 2015 16:34:21 GMT -5
I wouldnt say he was uninspired during the SOTSOG period. He experimented and it almost paid off.. Songs like Who feels love and Gas Panic are very different to the usual Oasis songs and they're 2 of my favourites. Go let it out is great as is Roll it over while FITB is a great opener. Unfortunately the rest of the album doesn't hold up as well. The album just needed more time imo With time, I think Revolution Song, a Liam-sung Full On, and It's a Crime would've both been completed and ready to be put on the album. I think when you pair that with Let's All Make Believe being put on the album alongside those three to replace the weakest songs on the album, you have something that really shows everyone that the band was ready for the 21st century. A tracklisting like this would've worked well: 1. Fuckin' in the Bushes 2. Go Let it Out 3. Who Feels Love? 4. Full On (Liam-sung) 5. Let's All Make Believe 6. Where Did it All Go Wrong? (Demo Version) 7. Gas Panic! 8. It's a Crime (Liam-sung) 9. Revolution Song 10. Roll it Over |
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Post by World71R on Jul 20, 2015 16:38:52 GMT -5
She is Love and Probably All in the Mind alone give this era the clear edge over all of the others. Uninspired drivel.. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 20, 2015 18:04:37 GMT -5
HC, because of the infamous 2, and the fact that some of the songs were leftovers from the SOTSOG period.
Anyway, if I'm going to use that last bit as a reason I might as well mention any album cycle, since every Oasis/HFB album has songs on it that had been a few years old already.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 1:24:42 GMT -5
Around Be Here Now
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Jul 21, 2015 2:27:30 GMT -5
Around 1989.
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Post by morning_rain on Jul 21, 2015 2:35:14 GMT -5
2001 - 2004
And I think he reached a 2nd peak in 2005 and a 3rd one in 2011
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 22, 2015 19:58:21 GMT -5
2001 - 2004 And I think he reached a 2nd peak in 2005 and a 3rd one in 2011 Personally, I'd say 2005 to Present. [With no gap]. His output on DBTT, DOYS, NGHFB, and CY are all excellent. It makes me angry that LAG fucked up the albums when Noel regained his confidence following his darkened days of SOTSG and HC. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jul 22, 2015 20:40:01 GMT -5
SOTSOG is by far the worst Oasis album IMO. I know there seems to be a bit of love for it with a lot of people on the forum but it never should have been made.
People are saying what if Liam sang Full On and what if this b-side was there instead of that album song but in reality we could say that for any period of Oasis and get a better album out of it.
Heathen Chemistry gave us 4 of the best Oasis singles. It gets a lot of shit on here rightly or wrongly, but I think it was a step in the right direction in terms of what Oasis needed to recapture. DBTT was a perfect commercial comeback with great pop tunes. DOYS needed to carry on with the anthems but looking back on it I think Noel knew not to waste his better material before a solo effort. Its no massive coincidence that there are shit loads of songs on HFB and CY that are a return to the 90s anthemic classic Noel Gallagher songwriting.
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Post by World71R on Jul 22, 2015 21:58:22 GMT -5
2001 - 2004 And I think he reached a 2nd peak in 2005 and a 3rd one in 2011 Personally, I'd say 2005 to Present. [With no gap]. His output on DBTT, DOYS, NGHFB, and CY are all excellent. It makes me angry that LAG fucked up the albums when Noel regained his confidence following his darkened days of SOTSG and HC. For DOYS, I agree, but with DBTT, I disagree. DBTT is a solid album, whereas DOYS gets ruined by Ain't Got Nothin' and The Nature of Reality. |
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Post by Doc Lobster on Jul 23, 2015 3:41:23 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry is an utter disgrace, and the worst part is not that the songs are bad, but the fact that, after having shown a will to experiment in the previous album, they turned into reactionaries and delivered one of the most generic albums ever. Especially Noel, I cringe every time I see an interview from the 2002-2004 period. Previously, he had always seemed an interesting guy with an open mind and willing to try new things (like his different collaborations), and all of a sudden he turned into this clown who insisted on repeating that he had five records in his collection and didn't want to discover anything new. And why? That's the saddest part. He associated the critical backlash of SOTSOG with the slightly experimental nature of the sound, not with the fact that some of the songs are pretty poor. Ergo, he decided that he must write songs that sounded like Oasis, and what we got was an Oasis parody act. He also decided that the best way to attract the madferits that had run for the hills with SOTSOG (as if the fanbase needed more of those) was to behave like them. The rest of the band seemed to reaffirm him in his musical closed-mindedness.
The day HC leaked onto the Internet was the day Oasis died, and they never really recovered, except for some scattered moments of brilliance. Thank fuck for Noel's solo career.
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Post by carlober on Jul 23, 2015 3:47:29 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry is an utter disgrace, and the worst part is not that the songs are bad, but the fact that, after having shown a will to experiment in the previous album, they turned into reactionaries and delivered one of the most generic albums ever. Especially Noel, I cringe every time I see an interview from the 2002-2004 period. Previously, he had always seemed an interesting guy with an open mind and willing to try new things (like his different collaborations), and all of a sudden he turned into this clown who insisted on repeating that he had five records in his collection and didn't want to discover anything new. And why? That's the saddest part. He associated the critical backlash of SOTSOG with the slightly experimental nature of the sound, not with the fact that some of the songs are pretty poor. Ergo, he decided that he must write songs that sounded like Oasis, and what we got was an Oasis parody act. He also decided that the best way to attract the madferits that had run for the hills with SOTSOG (as if the fanbase needed more of those) was to behave like them. The rest of the band seemed to reaffirm him in his musical closed-mindedness. The day HC leaked onto the Internet was the day Oasis died, and they never really recovered, except for some scattered moments of brilliance. Thank fuck for Noel's solo career. 100% spot on. Great post. |
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Post by beentherenow on Jul 23, 2015 4:54:09 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry is an utter disgrace, and the worst part is not that the songs are bad, but the fact that, after having shown a will to experiment in the previous album, they turned into reactionaries and delivered one of the most generic albums ever. Especially Noel, I cringe every time I see an interview from the 2002-2004 period. Previously, he had always seemed an interesting guy with an open mind and willing to try new things (like his different collaborations), and all of a sudden he turned into this clown who insisted on repeating that he had five records in his collection and didn't want to discover anything new. And why? That's the saddest part. He associated the critical backlash of SOTSOG with the slightly experimental nature of the sound, not with the fact that some of the songs are pretty poor. Ergo, he decided that he must write songs that sounded like Oasis, and what we got was an Oasis parody act. He also decided that the best way to attract the madferits that had run for the hills with SOTSOG (as if the fanbase needed more of those) was to behave like them. The rest of the band seemed to reaffirm him in his musical closed-mindedness. The day HC leaked onto the Internet was the day Oasis died, and they never really recovered, except for some scattered moments of brilliance. Thank fuck for Noel's solo career. Excellent,
I couldn't have put it better myself
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 23, 2015 7:07:50 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry is an utter disgrace, and the worst part is not that the songs are bad, but the fact that, after having shown a will to experiment in the previous album, they turned into reactionaries and delivered one of the most generic albums ever. Especially Noel, I cringe every time I see an interview from the 2002-2004 period. Previously, he had always seemed an interesting guy with an open mind and willing to try new things (like his different collaborations), and all of a sudden he turned into this clown who insisted on repeating that he had five records in his collection and didn't want to discover anything new. And why? That's the saddest part. He associated the critical backlash of SOTSOG with the slightly experimental nature of the sound, not with the fact that some of the songs are pretty poor. Ergo, he decided that he must write songs that sounded like Oasis, and what we got was an Oasis parody act. He also decided that the best way to attract the madferits that had run for the hills with SOTSOG (as if the fanbase needed more of those) was to behave like them. The rest of the band seemed to reaffirm him in his musical closed-mindedness. The day HC leaked onto the Internet was the day Oasis died, and they never really recovered, except for some scattered moments of brilliance. Thank fuck for Noel's solo career. Not making excuses for Noel, but BHN tanked on the national level, and SOTSOG further disappointed. Factor in the loss of two band mates and coming off of drugs, and you get a band in absolute crisis. Should we look upon these darkened times as Noel keeping the boat afloat, or should we lambast him for not upgrading to a proper ship instead? I don't know. But with that said, HC was indeed an utter disgrace. Agreed. |
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Post by Doc Lobster on Jul 23, 2015 8:45:29 GMT -5
Heathen Chemistry is an utter disgrace, and the worst part is not that the songs are bad, but the fact that, after having shown a will to experiment in the previous album, they turned into reactionaries and delivered one of the most generic albums ever. Especially Noel, I cringe every time I see an interview from the 2002-2004 period. Previously, he had always seemed an interesting guy with an open mind and willing to try new things (like his different collaborations), and all of a sudden he turned into this clown who insisted on repeating that he had five records in his collection and didn't want to discover anything new. And why? That's the saddest part. He associated the critical backlash of SOTSOG with the slightly experimental nature of the sound, not with the fact that some of the songs are pretty poor. Ergo, he decided that he must write songs that sounded like Oasis, and what we got was an Oasis parody act. He also decided that the best way to attract the madferits that had run for the hills with SOTSOG (as if the fanbase needed more of those) was to behave like them. The rest of the band seemed to reaffirm him in his musical closed-mindedness. The day HC leaked onto the Internet was the day Oasis died, and they never really recovered, except for some scattered moments of brilliance. Thank fuck for Noel's solo career. Not making excuses for Noel, but BHN tanked on the national level, and SOTSOG further disappointed. Factor in the loss of two band mates and coming off of drugs, and you get a band in absolute crisis. Should we look upon these darkened times as Noel keeping the boat afloat, or should we lambast him for not upgrading to a proper ship instead? I don't know. But with that said, HC was indeed an utter disgrace. Agreed. Honestly, given the givens, I think SOTSOG should have been the last Oasis album. As you correctly say, everything was in absolute crisis at the time the album was recorded, and I commend Noel's dedication to trying to save the band, but we know how things turned out. SOTSOG could have been a sort of last hurrah for the band, not a great one, but better than everything that came afterwards (in my opinion). Then Noel could have taken some time off, worked on his vocal skills (as he must have done around 2004-2005), collected a number of great tunes and emerged as a solo artist later. Maybe things would have been better then. Gem and Andy are great guys who injected a lot of good vibes in the band, but musically they were the absolute opposite Noel and Liam needed. They were proficient enough to let Noel become lazy at a time when he wasn't particularly inspired, but they didn't have the songwriting skills nor did anything to move the music forward. As for Liam, who knows if he would have lost his voice had Oasis split in 2000. His lifestyle wouldn't have changed much but touring was definitely a huge factor in the decline of his vocal cords. I guess my point is that from 2000 onwards Noel and Liam were just dragging the Oasis corpse around the world in a desperate attempt to bring it back to life, but mediocre records with half of the songs penned by lesser songwriters and greatest-hits tours fronted by a declining vocalist were not the way. We would have certainly missed some good stuff if they had called it quits after SOTSOG, but maybe we would have got some great records instead. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jul 23, 2015 8:59:16 GMT -5
DOYS>SOTSOG
In my opinion, DOYS is the best post 2000 album. But that's me.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jul 23, 2015 9:46:03 GMT -5
If Oasis last few albums were all like SOTSOG they wouldn't be acclaimed for their different approach. SOTSOG was panned because we went from a band of anthemic masterpieces to downbeat uninspiring songs.
Sunday Morning Call isn't Noel experimenting. Its Noel trying to produce a ballad with no inspiration. Fuckin In The Bushes is archetypical Oasis, Go Let It Out is heavily Beatles inspired (hardly new direction), songs like Who Feels Love are produced great but I'd hardly say its a bold new approach. I just think its a tired album. The only Oasis album that lacks a truly great song.
I don't agree that Oasis were flogging a corpse post 2000 either.
I look at that DBTT period as a time where Oasis reclaimed their reputation and influence. At a time when so many bands like Arctic Monkeys, Kasabian and The Libertines were citing them as a major influence, you had the band looking as cool as ever, on a huge worldwide tour, with great camaraderie and most importantly fantastic oasis anthems again.
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Post by World71R on Jul 23, 2015 10:16:13 GMT -5
The only Oasis album that lacks a truly great song. I look at that DBTT period as a time where Oasis reclaimed their reputation and influence. At a time when so many bands like Arctic Monkeys, Kasabian and The Libertines were citing them as a major influence, you had the band looking as cool as ever, on a huge worldwide tour, with great camaraderie and most importantly fantastic oasis anthems again. First of all, you must be forgetting Gas Panic! because that is a really great song, and the best song that ever came from Noel's dark days. Honestly, I'd rank it in the top 20 for Oasis songs, because it displays a COMPELTELY different sound for the band that shows that they weren't just a band for the anthems and ballads. As far as the DBTT period, I'm glad you acknowledge that. It seems like many people slag off that album for how it has three or four songs that could fall under the "filler" category, but the beauty of the whole album is how those fillers flow together well with the good and great songs without diluting a single bit of it. Not to mention, the good vibes within the band and the presence the band had at the time was there, which was something they had been missing. |
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thanks!