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Post by mahsteve on May 31, 2015 14:24:28 GMT -5
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on May 31, 2015 15:47:07 GMT -5
Interesting! Had not read that before.
The chair bit made me laugh. That is so recognizable, just like the bit of them talking about each other to find out if anyone will talk trash about either of them.
Enjoyable read.
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Post by mahsteve on May 31, 2015 16:25:07 GMT -5
I was aware they had a tough time recording songs for don't believe the truth around that time, obviously loosing Alan white and having to find a new drummer (eventually getting Zak starkey) would have been unsettling.
Frustrating really as they had some good songs around at the time that they never got right like stop the clocks and record machine. I think it's such a shame they didn't use the Liam verson of Lord don't slow me down, although I suppose it's right at the edge of his range.
The b side Those swollen hand blues was also around at this time (it sounds as if it was on the same recording as mucky fingers). I think it's a good b side and should have been used for one of the DBTT singles instead of being held back for a single off DOYS.
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Post by Jailbird on May 31, 2015 16:53:44 GMT -5
I think this was the first Oasis-related interview I read.
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Post by matt on May 31, 2015 17:44:37 GMT -5
Read that article, really interesting but.... Noel's 'special' chair? Jesus christ, what a diva he is at times. |
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Post by carryusall on Jun 1, 2015 4:48:20 GMT -5
Great read, cheers for that  |
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Post by Aman on Jun 1, 2015 5:22:14 GMT -5
The whole chair scenes, lol.
Noel you utter ponce.
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Post by andymorris on Jun 1, 2015 5:44:15 GMT -5
The whole chair scenes, lol. Noel you utter ponce. Tbh, if i had an empire like the Oasis one, i would do the exact same thing. So that they know who's the boss. Outside people can be very dangerous to your business. Gaz Cobain knows. the interview proves there's lots of high quality recording hiding somewhere. the anthology will be interesting from BHN to DOYS, i think |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 1, 2015 5:48:54 GMT -5
The Chief's chair  |
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Post by paperbackwriter on Jun 1, 2015 20:11:55 GMT -5
Man, I wish to meet Liam one day...
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Jun 1, 2015 20:30:53 GMT -5
Remember reading this in the magazine that came with the newspaper.
Time really does fly
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Post by caio0016 on Jun 1, 2015 21:11:42 GMT -5
It does shed some light on Oasis work routine... I thought that every member would do home demos or even just play the songs in the studio, not get a producer just for that...
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Post by gdforever on Jun 1, 2015 22:25:41 GMT -5
It does shed some light on Oasis work routine... I thought that every member would do home demos or even just play the songs in the studio, not get a producer just for that... I thinknt more shines a light on the effort that was put into helping Liam develop as a songwriter. This guy talks about being in the studio to help Liam hammer out songs. Not Gem or Andy's though. And Noel presumably worked with his various collaborators at the other studios to figure out his demos. They had admitted that Liam and Gem worked together a lot but it has never mentioned by anyone about anyone else being hired to help Liam write. Wonder if that dynamic continued through DOYS. And if BDI used this type of relationship for either item... What I wonder about is actually how much the rest of Oasis had to do with TIOBI. After all it was said that it's essentially the demo on the album. And sounds as if Noel at least for this was generally working alone in the other studio. lol. |
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Post by caio0016 on Jun 2, 2015 8:24:40 GMT -5
It does shed some light on Oasis work routine... I thought that every member would do home demos or even just play the songs in the studio, not get a producer just for that... I thinknt more shines a light on the effort that was put into helping Liam develop as a songwriter. This guy talks about being in the studio to help Liam hammer out songs. Not Gem or Andy's though. And Noel presumably worked with his various collaborators at the other studios to figure out his demos. They had admitted that Liam and Gem worked together a lot but it has never mentioned by anyone about anyone else being hired to help Liam write. Wonder if that dynamic continued through DOYS. And if BDI used this type of relationship for either item... What I wonder about is actually how much the rest of Oasis had to do with TIOBI. After all it was said that it's essentially the demo on the album. And sounds as if Noel at least for this was generally working alone in the other studio. lol. I don't think it continued through DOYS, because AGN, SO and IOT seem to be written, or at least started, during the DBTT era. SO was said to be a demo Liam made with Andy. And I think BDI were more of the kind to work together in the studio... have we any demo from them? BTW, I wonder if that AGN demo that's on youtube was recorded with this Peter. |
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Post by Who Is Andy Bell? on Jun 2, 2015 12:34:41 GMT -5
So Liam has sang The Drugs Don't Work not once, but twice? I've never heard of this before. Are there any recordings?
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Post by caio0016 on Jun 2, 2015 16:19:49 GMT -5
It's from 2006: www.nme.com/news/richard-ashcroft/22058Liam Gallagher makes surprise London appearance Oasis man helps out an old friend Richard Ashcroft was joined onstage by Liam Gallagher at his London show last night (January 24). The Oasis singer appeared onstage at Camden Electric Ballroom to help out on a version of ‘The Drugs Don’t Work’, a Number One hit for Ashcroft’s old band The Verve back in 1997. According to fans at the show Ashcroft was struggling with a rendition of the song and was lying on the floor when Gallagher came onstage to pick him up and encourage him to carry on, which he did. When he finished the song Gallagher came on again and started applauding. Then he spoke into the microphone to praise Ashcroft for being a “free spirit”. Read more at www.nme.com/news/richard-ashcroft/22058#6ZxiZCwBdbcb0SF1.99 |
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 2, 2015 16:59:04 GMT -5
So Liam has sang The Drugs Don't Work not once, but twice? I've never heard of this before. Are there any recordings? Just been doing some digging (sad I know!) Have tried to verify the story mentioned in the article. Oasis played at the royal Albert hall for the teenage cancer trust charity on 6th February 2002 with Richard Ashcroft supporting. On 26th March 2003 Richard Ashcroft played a set at the royal Albert hall for the same charity and members of oasis were present (Liam, Noel, gem and also terry kirkbride) . In the article it mentions Noel wearing a blue shirt which he is in 2003, photo here www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/noel-and-liam-gallagher-of-rock-band-oasis-attend-a-charity-news-photo/2099159 |
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 2, 2015 17:03:28 GMT -5
It's from 2006: www.nme.com/news/richard-ashcroft/22058Liam Gallagher makes surprise London appearance Oasis man helps out an old friend Richard Ashcroft was joined onstage by Liam Gallagher at his London show last night (January 24). The Oasis singer appeared onstage at Camden Electric Ballroom to help out on a version of ‘The Drugs Don’t Work’, a Number One hit for Ashcroft’s old band The Verve back in 1997. According to fans at the show Ashcroft was struggling with a rendition of the song and was lying on the floor when Gallagher came onstage to pick him up and encourage him to carry on, which he did. When he finished the song Gallagher came on again and started applauding. Then he spoke into the microphone to praise Ashcroft for being a “free spirit”. Read more at www.nme.com/news/richard-ashcroft/22058#6ZxiZCwBdbcb0SF1.99Yeah I remember this, u can watch the video on YouTube. But just to clarify, this is not the time de Havilland is referring to. His story is around the time 2002-2003. He had left long before 2006. |
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Post by caio0016 on Jun 2, 2015 18:16:06 GMT -5
It's from 2006: www.nme.com/news/richard-ashcroft/22058Liam Gallagher makes surprise London appearance Oasis man helps out an old friend Richard Ashcroft was joined onstage by Liam Gallagher at his London show last night (January 24). The Oasis singer appeared onstage at Camden Electric Ballroom to help out on a version of ‘The Drugs Don’t Work’, a Number One hit for Ashcroft’s old band The Verve back in 1997. According to fans at the show Ashcroft was struggling with a rendition of the song and was lying on the floor when Gallagher came onstage to pick him up and encourage him to carry on, which he did. When he finished the song Gallagher came on again and started applauding. Then he spoke into the microphone to praise Ashcroft for being a “free spirit”. Read more at www.nme.com/news/richard-ashcroft/22058#6ZxiZCwBdbcb0SF1.99Yeah I remember this, u can watch the video on YouTube. But just to clarify, this is not the time de Havilland is referring to. His story is around the time 2002-2003. He had left long before 2006. I thought it was weird, considering the years. Could you please give me the link to the video you talked about? |
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Post by LlAM on Jun 2, 2015 22:41:21 GMT -5
At least he isn't pulling an 'AA' by demanding songwriting credits.
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 3, 2015 2:55:25 GMT -5
Yeah I remember this, u can watch the video on YouTube. But just to clarify, this is not the time de Havilland is referring to. His story is around the time 2002-2003. He had left long before 2006. I thought it was weird, considering the years. Could you please give me the link to the video you talked about? The link for the 2006 gig is here I don't think anyone filmed him singing but caught him just as he finished |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 3, 2015 4:15:50 GMT -5
I thinknt more shines a light on the effort that was put into helping Liam develop as a songwriter. This guy talks about being in the studio to help Liam hammer out songs. Not Gem or Andy's though. And Noel presumably worked with his various collaborators at the other studios to figure out his demos. They had admitted that Liam and Gem worked together a lot but it has never mentioned by anyone about anyone else being hired to help Liam write. Wonder if that dynamic continued through DOYS. And if BDI used this type of relationship for either item... What I wonder about is actually how much the rest of Oasis had to do with TIOBI. After all it was said that it's essentially the demo on the album. And sounds as if Noel at least for this was generally working alone in the other studio. lol. I don't think it continued through DOYS, because AGN, SO and IOT seem to be written, or at least started, during the DBTT era. SO was said to be a demo Liam made with Andy. And I think BDI were more of the kind to work together in the studio... have we any demo from them? BTW, I wonder if that AGN demo that's on youtube was recorded with this Peter. The fully formed HC demos and even SOTSOG demos prove that they hired at least quality sound engineers to produce those tracks. They sound like finished products that any band would be happy to put out. And to me, that's why recording sessions for the actual albums went so wrong since the 2000s. They put too much effort in the demos and the inspiration was gone when it was time to "really" record those tracks. |
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 4, 2015 3:51:33 GMT -5
I don't think it continued through DOYS, because AGN, SO and IOT seem to be written, or at least started, during the DBTT era. SO was said to be a demo Liam made with Andy. And I think BDI were more of the kind to work together in the studio... have we any demo from them? BTW, I wonder if that AGN demo that's on youtube was recorded with this Peter. The fully formed HC demos and even SOTSOG demos prove that they hired at least quality sound engineers to produce those tracks. They sound like finished products that any band would be happy to put out. And to me, that's why recording sessions for the actual albums went so wrong since the 2000s. They put too much effort in the demos and the inspiration was gone when it was time to "really" record those tracks. Interesting thoughts. Post 1998 the band worked with Paul 'strangeboy' Stacy, jan 'stan' kybert and mark 'spike' stent and Peter de Havilland who all would have thrown ideas into the mix. Yeah I see what your saying about the demoing process. Sometimes they got it right first time such as TIOBI and Lyla and then other times big changes where made like on songbird and Hindu times. I suppose it never helps when Noel is working in London on his own and Liam and the rest are at wheeler end studios. A bit disfunctional perhaps. |
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Post by andymorris on Jun 4, 2015 4:58:06 GMT -5
The fully formed HC demos and even SOTSOG demos prove that they hired at least quality sound engineers to produce those tracks. They sound like finished products that any band would be happy to put out. And to me, that's why recording sessions for the actual albums went so wrong since the 2000s. They put too much effort in the demos and the inspiration was gone when it was time to "really" record those tracks. Interesting thoughts. Post 1998 the band worked with Paul 'strangeboy' Stacy, jan 'stan' kybert and mark 'spike' stent and Peter de Havilland who all would have thrown ideas into the mix. Yeah I see what your saying about the demoing process. Sometimes they got it right first time such as TIOBI and Lyla and then other times big changes where made like on songbird and Hindu times. I suppose it never helps when Noel is working in London on his own and Liam and the rest are at wheeler end studios. A bit disfunctional perhaps. Bands that work together for a long time tend to have that disfunctional phase you're talking about. The Beatles had it for instance, and it's still produced good tunes. But it can also destroy a band, and in the end, it destroyed Oasis (and the Beatles), Noel thinking he could go solo... It's not a problem as long as everybody's happy with the process i guess. But it seems it was frustrating here, Noel bringing his recordings and the others working their ass off to get only at best one or two tunes on the record. Maybe the quality wasn't good enough (probably). I had a written a longer reply before but it got deleted, but basically, if you look at all their recordings, the better ones are the ones that are not overthought (MG + MG bsides) or demos remixed (parts of DBTT, parts of SOTSOG) or live like recordings (DM). While i like the rest, it's a bit behind in terms of quality. I guess in the 2000s the pressure was high to produce a great comeback album, that's why they had all those demoing sessions, but in the end, it hurt the final recordings. |
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Post by mahsteve on Jun 4, 2015 6:58:59 GMT -5
Interesting thoughts. Post 1998 the band worked with Paul 'strangeboy' Stacy, jan 'stan' kybert and mark 'spike' stent and Peter de Havilland who all would have thrown ideas into the mix. Yeah I see what your saying about the demoing process. Sometimes they got it right first time such as TIOBI and Lyla and then other times big changes where made like on songbird and Hindu times. I suppose it never helps when Noel is working in London on his own and Liam and the rest are at wheeler end studios. A bit disfunctional perhaps. Bands that work together for a long time tend to have that disfunctional phase you're talking about. The Beatles had it for instance, and it's still produced good tunes. But it can also destroy a band, and in the end, it destroyed Oasis (and the Beatles), Noel thinking he could go solo... It's not a problem as long as everybody's happy with the process i guess. But it seems it was frustrating here, Noel bringing his recordings and the others working their ass off to get only at best one or two tunes on the record. Maybe the quality wasn't good enough (probably). I had a written a longer reply before but it got deleted, but basically, if you look at all their recordings, the better ones are the ones that are not overthought (MG + MG bsides) or demos remixed (parts of DBTT, parts of SOTSOG) or live like recordings (DM). While i like the rest, it's a bit behind in terms of quality. I guess in the 2000s the pressure was high to produce a great comeback album, that's why they had all those demoing sessions, but in the end, it hurt the final recordings. Yeah I agree. I think it also doesn't help during the 2003-2004 period that Noel would have been recording his songs with other musicians as well for example terry kirkbride drumming on mucky fingers and Noel also working with Paul 'strangeboy' Stacy. And then the rest of the band would have been working together on their tracks. |
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