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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 22, 2015 19:58:51 GMT -5
Obviously both very BHN-esqe in arrangement and delivery. But I feel like something's lacking. To me it's not sounding like the Noel sung BHN tunes (Step Out, The Fame, etc). The magic doesn't seem there with either. Is this just me?
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Post by Jim G. on Apr 22, 2015 20:11:16 GMT -5
I know what you mean. These are my two least favorite tracks, although I know I'm part of a minority here in the forum.
LATD for me is kinda like when I listen to Iz Rite or I'm Just Saying, from Beady Eye - something reminiscent of Oasis, but not quite like it. LATD is def superior then those two, though.
YKYCGB sounds to me as one of those songs at the end of any horrible romantic comedy.
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Post by matt on Apr 22, 2015 20:17:13 GMT -5
Obviously both very BHN-esqe in arrangement and delivery. But I feel like something's lacking. To me it's not sounding like the Noel sung BHN tunes (Step Out, The Fame, etc). The magic doesn't seem there with either. Is this just me? I've thought this too. Though it's not a problem with the actual song - You Know We Can't Go Back is a great slice of pop. Play it on an acoustic guitar and it sounds great! But its the delivery for both songs. They are so flat and beige sounding - the guitars are just too clean, and lacks the massive reverb and distortion of old Oasis songs. Perhaps he should have made the sound more pop like, similar to What A Life and Ballad of Mighty I. They are certainly bouncy tunes, but the boring instrumentation brings it down sadly. I think in Oasis it would have been easier to get away with if you have Liam's voice (though the song would still be undermined by its beige sound), but Noel's isn't so powerful to take away from the dull instrumentation so it's bizaare why he doesn't vary the sound a bit more. |
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Post by Thomas on Apr 22, 2015 20:19:29 GMT -5
Oh, good to see I'm not the only one thinking that. They're good songs, I like them (specially YKWCGB), but THERE IS a "magic"-thing missing. Jim G. description, saying that he feels like when he's listening to those Beady Eye tunes, it's pretty much spot on about what I feel like when listening to these Noel's tunes. Well, I can't explain "why", as it's a matter of feeling, but... it just doesn't seem right. I don't know. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Apr 23, 2015 0:35:28 GMT -5
YKWCGB is a massive cheesefest, but damn, what an enjoyable cheesefest!
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Post by Cast on Apr 23, 2015 1:17:39 GMT -5
Both of these songs are better than The Fame. All the criticisms that are thrown at BHN are applicable to The Fame. Uninspired, bloated, and some of Noel worst ever lyrics (like top 5 bad). Noel does these songs justice but these are two songs that I could (wish) hear (prime) Liam on.
Disagree with matt on the fact that reverb would help these songs, in fact i think there's a bit too much reverb on these tracks (intro to LATD/YKWCGB is obviously u2 influenced). LATD needed a bit more crunch a la Do the Damage. YKWCGB is fine how it is. Just a pop song. It's like candy could every once awhile but don't repeat it like 15 times in arrow. Props to Noel on the sequencing because YKWCGB comes at the perfect place on the album. The b-side starts dark with those first three tracks then this is the last burst of energy before the cinematic closer.
Lock All The Doors nails the BHN vibe but its a better song than The Fame. Great wall of sound, soaring melody, the only thing lackluster about it is the mediocre guitar solo, but at least its got one.
You Know We Can't Go Back is a song you just have to treat it as it is. Its a pop anthem that is has outstanding live potential. I'd take it over the Fame as well.
These two songs are by no means my favorites on Chasing Yesterday, that'd be Riverman, The Right Stuff, The Dying Of The Light, but they are good boarding on really good songs. They do have that 90's Oasis magic to them that has been rare to hear for the past 15 years. Are they are good as the magical 90's songs? No but they make me feel just about as euphoric. CY may not have that early Oasis magic but nothing the Gallaghers have done really have captured the true essence of that time. Fine with me because Noel is in a creative renaissance making his own magic. The Right Stuff may not be as purely enjoyable or as fun as BHN but as a piece of music I will go as far as saying that it is better than anything on BHN, and BHN is probably my third favorite Oasis record.
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Post by freddy838 on Apr 23, 2015 1:33:55 GMT -5
The old version of Lock All The Doors had that characteristic early Noel guitar work which was amazing, it's a shame he simplified it so much. I still like it though, and YKWCGB is a nice upbeat tune just before the end of the album, it fits nicely.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Apr 23, 2015 3:26:49 GMT -5
YKWCGB is a massive cheesefest |
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Post by scott1 on Apr 23, 2015 5:21:01 GMT -5
Noel's delivery and production styles have changed since 1997, had these songs been recorded back then the magic would be very much there.
The production of these songs in 2015 is much cleaner and Noel has ironed out many imperfections in his vocals since then.
I think those songs still carry that spirit but they've been eating healthily and not drinking as heavily.
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Post by LlAM on Apr 23, 2015 5:25:24 GMT -5
Tell you whats missing:
Guigs
Bonehead
Whitey
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 5:30:35 GMT -5
In the Be Here Now era, Noel had a Les Paul played through a massive Marshall stack, with Bonehead playing his rhythm through something similar. This leads to a dirty and distorted tone.
For this album he's brought out the Strats played through Hi-Watt and Vox amps with gives a much cleaner tone.
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Post by Greedy's Mighty Sigh on Apr 23, 2015 5:31:37 GMT -5
oasis is dead. get over it
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Post by Gin & Tonic on Apr 23, 2015 5:33:05 GMT -5
All my mates who are casual Oasis/NGHFB fans at best think Lock All The Doors is the best song by miles.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Apr 23, 2015 5:38:33 GMT -5
You get songs like Riverman,The Right Stuff and Mighty I on this record,so I think it's good to have songs like these two too,they break the atmosphere and give a nice burst of energy
YKWCGB is just a pop song,it's incredibly euphoric,I often associate it with It's Getting Better Man and Roll With It because of its vibe
It's not the best song ever,it's not even the best song on the album,but it's fun and it just shows Noel's ability to write a damn catchy tune,he's mainly a pop songwriter after all
Lock All The Doors is brilliant in my opinion,as I've said in the past I was quite worried about how the chorus would fit with something written 23 years later,but it turned out great,it's got the energy that was lacking on the first record
Could it have been better with Liam on vocals? Maybe yes,but I love it as it is
My only complaint with it is the first verse,can't stand the lyrics
On top of that,they're two great live songs
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 23, 2015 19:47:51 GMT -5
Tell you whats missing: LIAM Guigs Bonehead Whitey Fixed. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 23, 2015 19:48:45 GMT -5
All my mates who are casual Oasis/NGHFB fans at best think Lock All The Doors is the best song by miles. Best Avatar by fucking far. GET IN. |
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Post by glider on Apr 23, 2015 19:50:43 GMT -5
Liam singing Lock All the Doors.
Thanks.
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Post by Zorro On Donuts on Apr 23, 2015 22:55:32 GMT -5
Early Oasis songs are among the loudest in music. Be Here Now sounds like 1000 anvils falling down an endless metal staircase. The distortion and wall of sound feedback craziness is so over the top.....yet it fit. It worked. After the first three albums, even the most hard rocking tunes weren't so LOUD. This continues into Noel's solo work
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Post by Manualex on Apr 23, 2015 23:07:28 GMT -5
LATD & YKWCGB might be cheesecakes, but I do love me some cheesecakes.
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Post by vespa on Apr 24, 2015 3:33:56 GMT -5
You could not put noels vocals over a wall of noise like the be here now production,theyd get lost in the mix.These are 2 great songs that are what they are pop rock at its finest..lock all the doors guitars too clean?? I sometimes think people look into this far too much the only example which i wish was different was heathen chemistry..thats a prime example of flat production.Chasing yesterday production is spot on,remember folks noels 47 not 27 he will never get them days back but it would be nice to hear an oasis album that is similar to the old oasis sound.
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Post by ccd204p on Apr 24, 2015 3:38:01 GMT -5
I think LATD is a cracking tune but I think it would be better with Liam on vocals. It's the only NGHFB song I've thought that about, I guess mainly because he was on the demo. YKWCGB is not bad but it's not the strongest song he's ever written.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Apr 24, 2015 6:49:15 GMT -5
Bland, the pair of em
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Post by headshrinker84 on Apr 24, 2015 11:12:39 GMT -5
oasis is dead. get over it |
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Post by mystoryisgory on Apr 25, 2015 9:48:02 GMT -5
What's missing? Drugs.
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