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Post by LlAM on Mar 9, 2015 11:23:11 GMT -5
#1 Lennon / McCartney
#2 Noel Gallagher
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Post by Adam on Mar 9, 2015 11:30:38 GMT -5
#1 Lennon / McCartney #2 Noel Gallagher I think Noel would not only agree that he's not as good as Lennon & McCartney, but would be honoured to come come second to them |
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Post by spyrosfab4 on Mar 9, 2015 12:23:12 GMT -5
He is definitely in the top 10 for me.But so far away from Lennon - McCartney ofcourse,like everybody else.
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Post by freddy838 on Mar 9, 2015 12:32:43 GMT -5
He must be up near the top. A lot of the legends consider him up there, plus there's the catalogue of songs that speaks for itself.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 12:44:49 GMT -5
1) N.Gallagher
2) Lennon-McCartney
3) Squire-Brown
4) Morrisey-Marr
5. D.Bowie
My personal favourites. Probably going to get hate for it, but I stand by my opinion that Noel is the best songwriter of all time.
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Post by pliolite on Mar 9, 2015 17:47:08 GMT -5
Squire-Brown.... TSR is a decent album, especially if you chuck Fools Gold on it like the re-issue does.
I would always rate someone like New Order/Joy Division way way above them though.
Then you've got the likes of Page/Plant (Led Zeppelin), Banks/Collins/Rutherford (Genesis) and Peter Gabriel himself, utterly legendary songwriters.
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Post by spaneli on Mar 9, 2015 18:13:34 GMT -5
If we are being honest, Noel's limited lyrical abilities (especially lately) prevent him from being at the very very top. I almost prefer the random nonsense lyrics of his early songs because they provide good imagery... saying everything by saying nothing, as some would put it. SOTSOG was his lyrical peak before regressing quite badly after that. These days Noel only seems to write in clichéd love tropes, with very few exceptions. However as far as just melody is concerned, I would put Noel at the very very top. Maybe second only to Paul McCartney on that list... I consider him that good in that department. It also helps that Noel is younger and came after nearly everyone on that list. He had the benefit of using many of them as inspiration. I'd say SOTSOG is his peak. But the lyrics on DBTT are pretty damn good. DOYS and HC are both too typical lyrically. HFB's actually has pretty decent lyrics. Better than the former. But I will say that Chasing Yesterday disappointed me lyrically. Noel is capable of being much better. He had years to edit, TDOTL's lyrics (though better lyrically than most, yet there are still a couple clunker lines in it), and the lyrics are essentially the same from the version we heard years ago. Lyrics take time and effort. Noel has a tendency to not give time and effort and fall ball on his melodic ear. |
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Post by jayjay66111 on Mar 9, 2015 18:19:29 GMT -5
Squire and Brown deserve there place among the great british songwriters for the stone roses album by its self,its a brilliant brilliant album and for me its one of the best albums ever made.(In my opinion of course). Noel is a very good songwriter and occasionally a brilliant one but he isn't an all time great songwriter, still wrote some f&*king tunes though.
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Post by shoes222 on Mar 9, 2015 18:28:30 GMT -5
If we are being honest, Noel's limited lyrical abilities (especially lately) prevent him from being at the very very top. I almost prefer the random nonsense lyrics of his early songs because they provide good imagery... saying everything by saying nothing, as some would put it. SOTSOG was his lyrical peak before regressing quite badly after that. These days Noel only seems to write in clichéd love tropes, with very few exceptions. However as far as just melody is concerned, I would put Noel at the very very top. Maybe second only to Paul McCartney on that list... I consider him that good in that department. It also helps that Noel is younger and came after nearly everyone on that list. He had the benefit of using many of them as inspiration. I'd say SOTSOG is his peak. But the lyrics on DBTT are pretty damn good. DOYS and HC are both too typical lyrically. HFB's actually has pretty decent lyrics. Better than the former. But I will say that Chasing Yesterday disappointed me lyrically. Noel is capable of being much better. He had years to edit, TDOTL's lyrics (though better lyrically than most, yet there are still a couple clunker lines in it), and the lyrics are essentially the same from the version we heard years ago. Lyrics take time and effort. Noel has a tendency to not give time and effort and fall ball on his melodic ear. Yup. You can tell Noel knew that the songs were more interesting musically on this album, so he could get away with his usual lyrical crutches without spending much time on them. He's freely admitted in recent interviews that he just doesn't care about lyrics. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Mar 9, 2015 18:28:48 GMT -5
Squire and Brown deserve there place among the great british songwriters for the stone roses album by its self,its a brilliant brilliant album and for me its one of the best albums ever made.(In my opinion of course). Noel is a very good songwriter and occasionally a brilliant one but he isn't an all time great songwriter, still wrote some f&*king tunes though. So Squire and Brown are up there (and I think they are BTW) for TSR alone and the guy who wrote Definitely Maybe and WTSMG isn't? |
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Post by matt on Mar 9, 2015 19:50:56 GMT -5
He's a great songwriter but he's no Dylan or Springsteen that's for sure. But nobody is really.
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Post by The Crimson Rambler on Mar 9, 2015 20:07:29 GMT -5
No mention of Thom Yorke, Damon Albarn, Robert Plant, Jimmy Page, Richard D James, Robert Smith, Kevin Shields or David Gilmour yet? (I'm sure there a butt-load more).
I could never include Lee Mavers in a list of the best of the best. One album... Jeez. Being outpaced by Axl Rose is not a good thing. I also find Paul Weller to be incredibly overrated. Bobby Gillespie and Alex Turner deserve to be considered a cut above the both of them.
I'm going to throw Andrew Falkous's name in the ring too. Deserves a lot more than he gets.
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Post by batfink30 on Mar 9, 2015 20:14:17 GMT -5
He's a great songwriter but he's no Dylan or Springsteen that's for sure. But nobody is really. If we're talking about global songwriters not just UK, I'd rank Bono and The Edge above pretty much everyone listed here. Aside from maybe Lennon and McCartney. |
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Post by matt on Mar 9, 2015 21:42:18 GMT -5
He's a great songwriter but he's no Dylan or Springsteen that's for sure. But nobody is really. If we're talking about global songwriters not just UK, I'd rank Bono and The Edge above pretty much everyone listed here. Aside from maybe Lennon and McCartney. The Edge and Bono are amazing and are one of the greatest songwriting partnerships easily. But as individual songwriters, I can't think of many better than Dylan and Springsteen. |
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Post by matt on Mar 9, 2015 21:45:23 GMT -5
Squire-Brown.... TSR is a decent album, especially if you chuck Fools Gold on it like the re-issue does. I would always rate someone like New Order/Joy Division way way above them though. Then you've got the likes of Page/Plant (Led Zeppelin), Banks/Collins/Rutherford (Genesis) and Peter Gabriel himself, utterly legendary songwriters. I think The Stone Roses are brilliant but that debut album is one of the most overrated in history. It's a 10 song album, and I think 3 of them are duff tunes - Don't Stop, Elizabeth My Dear and Bye Bye Badman. That's too many duff tunes for me to pretty much disregard it's classic status. |
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Post by matt on Mar 9, 2015 22:16:19 GMT -5
Also, a shout out for Paul Simon.
He ranks alongside with Dylan and Springsteen for me.
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Post by carryusall on Mar 10, 2015 0:35:34 GMT -5
He's a great songwriter but he's no Dylan or Springsteen that's for sure. But nobody is really. Dylan and Springsteen are pretty much in a league of their own. Neil Young is capable of reaching those heights, but he's also capable of making some real shit. But hey, that's why I love his music so much. That's what makes Neil Neil. I do think it's hard to compare what Noel does to their work though, as although they're capable of great melodies, a lot of the praise they get is aimed at their lyrics. And whilst Noel is certainly a very underrated lyricist ('Am I cracking up, or just getting older?') Is always one I use as an example) most of the praise he gets is aimed at his melodies |
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Post by ourkidpauluk on Mar 10, 2015 6:50:34 GMT -5
It depends what classifies a great songwriter, is it appeal to the masses, is it for a song that just clicks aka, Anthems, is it for originality and musical ability, is it for lyrics... or all of the above..
#1 - Lennon/McCartney - could do most of the above
#2 - David Bowie - This man changed himself with every style and wrote anthem after anthem..
#3 - Pete Townshend - Maybe the original Noel, pulling styles from other bands, but went on to create Quadrophenia and Tommy, two original masterpieces creating the foundation for Prog.
#4 - Noel Gallagher - Anthem creator. Takes the best of whats out there, and puts it into tracks that generates rock songs to sing along to like The Beatles. Only thing stopping him from being truly great is laziness. This is a man capable of playing and writing lead guitar solo's that would make Weller jealous, but refuses to do it anymore because its 'harder' (see GMEX Champagne Supernova and you realise how good a guitarist Noel is). He's written some of the most iconic tunes of the last 25 years, with universal appeal, you just have to watch 100,000+ singalong to DLBIA, Champagne Supernova and Wonderwall.
#5 - Paul Weller - I love this guy too, he's capable of all manner of song, but I only rated him second to Noel because I think Noel has more 'great' anthems, even though Weller is a better musician. When did his band fill stadiums?
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Post by magicman on Mar 12, 2015 5:18:42 GMT -5
towards the top kinda middle top medium style
noel rules!
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