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Post by batfink30 on Mar 8, 2015 20:07:12 GMT -5
I find it difficult to work this out in my head as A. I'm probably biased and B. Maybe I'm stuck in the 90s. Surely though, he has to be right up near the top? In my mind, I generally see Bowie, Lennon and McCartney at the top. Can we say now that with Papa Gs recent increase in quality output again that he's edging into one of the best Songwriters the UKs ever produced?
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Post by Sternumman on Mar 8, 2015 20:11:16 GMT -5
Does anyone else call him Papa G?
It took me a minute to realize who you were talking about.
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Post by batfink30 on Mar 8, 2015 20:14:16 GMT -5
Does anyone else call him Papa G? It took me a minute to realize who you were talking about. They do yeah, saw a t-shirt with it the other night. Think I saw it in here too. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 20:24:22 GMT -5
I think it's really hard to actually rank songwriters. Apart from Noel, these are some of my favourites:
Lennon-McCartney
Morrissey-Marr
Roger Waters
Ian Brown & John Squire
Ray Davies
Bob Dylan
David Bowie
Pete Townshend
Jagger-Richards
George Harrison
Jarvis Cocker
Lee Mavers
I think you could quite easily put Noel on the same level as Brown & Squire, Harrison, Townshend, Mavers or Jarvis.
EDIT: That list isn't in any sort of order. I just put them down as I thought of them.
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Post by batfink30 on Mar 8, 2015 20:27:07 GMT -5
I think it's really hard to actually rank songwriters. Apart from Noel, these are some of my favourites: Lennon-McCartney Morrissey-Marr Roger Waters Ian Brown & John Squire Ray Davies Bob Dylan David Bowie Pete Townshend Jagger-Richards George Harrison Jarvis Cocker Lee Mavers I think you could quite easily put Noel on the same level as Brown & Squire, Harrison, Townshend, Mavers or Jarvis. How can you rank 2 songwriters against 1also? Surely an unfair advantage? It's a tough one. I always had him down as in the sort of second tier of top songwriters but I'm beginning to think he could be edging up. |
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Post by AbsoluteBeginner23 on Mar 8, 2015 20:29:23 GMT -5
Does anyone else call him Papa G? It took me a minute to realize who you were talking about. This what my exact reaction too haha |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 20:31:50 GMT -5
I think it's really hard to actually rank songwriters. Apart from Noel, these are some of my favourites: Lennon-McCartney Morrissey-Marr Roger Waters Ian Brown & John Squire Ray Davies Bob Dylan David Bowie Pete Townshend Jagger-Richards George Harrison Jarvis Cocker Lee Mavers I think you could quite easily put Noel on the same level as Brown & Squire, Harrison, Townshend, Mavers or Jarvis. How can you rank 2 songwriters against 1also? Surely an unfair advantage? It's a tough one. I always had him down as in the sort of second tier of top songwriters but I'm beginning to think he could be edging up. The songwriting pairs that I chose released their best output as that pair. If you split up Lennon and Macca then I think they'd still both be ahead of Noel. However Noel is better than both Ian Brown and John squire on their own. Morrissey and Marr? Noel would probably go behind Morrissey but ahead of Marr. I'm not too sure of the songwriting dynamic of the Stones and who exactly wrote so it's hard to separate Jagger and Richards. |
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Post by batfink30 on Mar 8, 2015 20:35:43 GMT -5
How can you rank 2 songwriters against 1also? Surely an unfair advantage? It's a tough one. I always had him down as in the sort of second tier of top songwriters but I'm beginning to think he could be edging up. The songwriting pairs that I chose released their best output as that pair. If you split up Lennon and Macca then I think they'd still both be ahead of Noel. However Noel is better than both Ian Brown and John squire on their own. Morrissey and Marr? Noel would probably go behind Morrissey but ahead of Marr. I'm not too sure of the songwriting dynamic of the Stones and who exactly wrote so it's hard to separate Jagger and Richards. What about Weller as well? If Chris Martin continued in his early form I would've maybe said him too, but he's fallen away quite badly. I'd probably put U2 ahead of Noel but they write as a band and are Irish anyway. Guess it's all subjective anyway. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 8, 2015 20:38:03 GMT -5
He's far above Brown & Squire. The Stone Roses is probably my favourite debut album ever but they released two albums and the second one was only half decent. Noel has done far more and has still managed a few crackers on each album.
He needs to aim for Weller really. I listen to Noel's work more that Weller but what Paul has achieved (changing but still being good)is something few others have done over the last 15/20 years maybe Albarn could claim that to a lesser extent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2015 20:38:14 GMT -5
The songwriting pairs that I chose released their best output as that pair. If you split up Lennon and Macca then I think they'd still both be ahead of Noel. However Noel is better than both Ian Brown and John squire on their own. Morrissey and Marr? Noel would probably go behind Morrissey but ahead of Marr. I'm not too sure of the songwriting dynamic of the Stones and who exactly wrote so it's hard to separate Jagger and Richards. What about Weller as well? If Chris Martin continued in his early form I would've maybe said him too, but he's fallen away quite badly. I guess it's all subjective anyway. The ones I chose were just some of my personal favourites but Weller is undoubtedly a top class songwriter. I really liked Coldplay up until the last couple of albums and Chris is a great songwriter. I think most, if not all, of Coldplay's songs are credited to every member of the band. |
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Post by batfink30 on Mar 8, 2015 20:43:37 GMT -5
What about Weller as well? If Chris Martin continued in his early form I would've maybe said him too, but he's fallen away quite badly. I guess it's all subjective anyway. The ones I chose were just some of my personal favourites but Weller is undoubtedly a top class songwriter. I really liked Coldplay up until the last couple of albums and Chris is a great songwriter. I think most, if not all, of Coldplay's songs are credited to every member of the band. I get the feeling with Coldplays songwriting that they include all the members of the band just to be fair but in reality Chris Martin writes the songs. I think Noel really does need to be heading in Wellers direction if he can crank up the quality of his output just another notch then he'll easily be there. |
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Post by Sternumman on Mar 8, 2015 20:47:36 GMT -5
I don't know where he ranks but he's my favorite English songwriter and second favorite of all time. Did other artists have better lyrics or were more musically diverse? Probably but who cares. I really enjoy the Beatles and like Bowie, etc but they don't connect with me like Noel has.
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Post by pliolite on Mar 8, 2015 20:58:26 GMT -5
As far as solo songwriters go, for me, he's right up there with the best of them.
Those mentioned above, with many of them it's a joint effort so is it fair to put them up against Noel? You could argue that Morrissey lyrically eclipses most things that Noel (or anyone) has come up with, but then could you call him a complete songwriter in the same way that Noel is? Not a chance. Bowie, on the other hand... though can you really compare him to anyone??
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Post by squire on Mar 8, 2015 21:01:58 GMT -5
Near the top
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Post by yearzero on Mar 8, 2015 21:07:25 GMT -5
Does anyone else call him Papa G? It took me a minute to realize who you were talking about. Anais does, on her Instagram! |
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Post by batfink30 on Mar 8, 2015 21:08:38 GMT -5
Does anyone else call him Papa G? It took me a minute to realize who you were talking about. Anais does, on her Instagram! Ahhhh so that's where it comes from! Lol. |
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Post by yearzero on Mar 8, 2015 21:11:31 GMT -5
Such topics will always be subjective, but then so is this entire forum. I personally rank Noel as one of UK's great songwriters but of course, I'm biased like the rest of you.  I think it's rather impressive that Noel has managed to write some of the most anthemic British songs, and is still writing great songs over twenty years later that continue to appeal to a wide variety of people.  |
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Post by Sternumman on Mar 8, 2015 21:12:52 GMT -5
Does anyone else call him Papa G? It took me a minute to realize who you were talking about. Anais does, on her Instagram! Well that makes sense because that's her Papa. |
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Post by carryusall on Mar 8, 2015 21:13:31 GMT -5
Papa G could be his name if he became a rapper . Or a smurf...
I'd put Pete Doherty forward, his last album was a bit lacklustre, but everything else he's been involved in, to me, has been to a very high standard .
Also I feel Nick Drake deserves a mention. And Ray Davies deserves another one
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Post by yearzero on Mar 8, 2015 21:21:57 GMT -5
Anais does, on her Instagram! Well that makes sense because that's her Papa. I figured that's where people were getting their inspiration.  And carryusall  I was just thinking Papa G could be his rap name hahaha. Interesting compilation from 2008 about British songwriters here: www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/3673508/50-best-British-songwriters.htmlNoel is there, as are a lot of the other ones already mentioned in this thread. I like Radiohead too. And I also like Gary Barlow (okay, proceed to throw things at me, I won't change my mind. I honestly think Barlow is a great pop songwriter. Whatever your opinion of him, there's no denying the man knows his music.). |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Mar 9, 2015 1:56:27 GMT -5
I think it's really hard to actually rank songwriters. Apart from Noel, these are some of my favourites: Lennon-McCartney Morrissey-Marr Roger Waters Ian Brown & John Squire Ray Davies Bob Dylan David Bowie Pete Townshend Jagger-Richards George Harrison Jarvis Cocker Lee Mavers I think you could quite easily put Noel on the same level as Brown & Squire, Harrison, Townshend, Mavers or Jarvis. The Stone Roses, and a couple of good tunes on Second Coming...versus...Hunky Dory, Ziggy Stardust, Aladdin Sane, Station To Station, "The Berlin Trilogy", Scary Monsters... hell, even The Next Day I'm sorry, but there is no way Squire and Brown should be above Bowie... |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Mar 9, 2015 2:13:50 GMT -5
He's my favourite, but I'd say second tier top
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Post by shoes222 on Mar 9, 2015 3:06:49 GMT -5
If we are being honest, Noel's limited lyrical abilities (especially lately) prevent him from being at the very very top. I almost prefer the random nonsense lyrics of his early songs because they provide good imagery... saying everything by saying nothing, as some would put it. SOTSOG was his lyrical peak before regressing quite badly after that. These days Noel only seems to write in clichéd love tropes, with very few exceptions.
However as far as just melody is concerned, I would put Noel at the very very top. Maybe second only to Paul McCartney on that list... I consider him that good in that department. It also helps that Noel is younger and came after nearly everyone on that list. He had the benefit of using many of them as inspiration.
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Post by vespa on Mar 9, 2015 3:22:27 GMT -5
Noel is up there at the very top alongside the legends..as much as love squire/brown ,mavers,marr etc noel surpasses them.It sometimes seems as though its too easy for him and the amount of classics hes wrote surpasses even weller and morrissey..as for his lyrics i think some of noels are great and are under rated ,yeh some are comedy value but fit the song but especially his recent output the lyrics are great
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 9:44:33 GMT -5
I think it's really hard to actually rank songwriters. Apart from Noel, these are some of my favourites: Lennon-McCartney Morrissey-Marr Roger Waters Ian Brown & John Squire Ray Davies Bob Dylan David Bowie Pete Townshend Jagger-Richards George Harrison Jarvis Cocker Lee Mavers I think you could quite easily put Noel on the same level as Brown & Squire, Harrison, Townshend, Mavers or Jarvis. The Stone Roses, and a couple of good tunes on Second Coming...versus...Hunky Dory, Ziggy Stardust, Aladdin Sane, Station To Station, "The Berlin Trilogy", Scary Monsters... hell, even The Next Day I'm sorry, but there is no way Squire and Brown should be above Bowie... They weren't in any sort of order. I just put them down as soon as I thought of them. |
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I think it's rather impressive that Noel has managed to write some of the most anthemic British songs, and is still writing great songs over twenty years later that continue to appeal to a wide variety of people. 
I was just thinking Papa G could be his rap name hahaha.
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