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Post by eva Fawkes on Jun 9, 2017 8:09:29 GMT -5
Hopefully these results are a good sign for the coming U.S. elections, particularly the next presidential election.
Thanks.
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Post by batfink30 on Jun 9, 2017 8:46:27 GMT -5
I'm actually quite glad Theresa seems to be staying, she's a fucking omnishambles for the Tories. Considering she's got 700+ trade deals to negotiate within just under 2years,the country's fucked. On another note, the DUP are horrific the most backward party around.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jun 9, 2017 10:11:09 GMT -5
Now his position has been legitimized by the result of this vote, Corbyn needs to sort those fuckers out. He should tell them: tow the line or get gone. There's no time left for pointless infighting - all in the Labour party need to pull together, regardless of where they position themselves on the political spectrum, to oust the Tories.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jun 9, 2017 10:12:49 GMT -5
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jun 9, 2017 10:13:40 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 10:28:36 GMT -5
The constant fucking smearing Jeremy Corbyn took for being an "IRA sympathiser" of vaginas who are now supporting the fucking tories getting a punty up aff DUP is complete fuckin hypocrisy. Actual stuff of fucking nightmares man.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Jun 9, 2017 10:42:20 GMT -5
The constant fucking smearing Jeremy Corbyn took for being an "IRA sympathiser" of vaginas who are now supporting the fucking tories getting a punty up aff DUP is complete fuckin hypocrisy. Actual stuff of fucking nightmares man.
The Mail and The Sun say are going to have to go back to the 'he's got his top button undone, the scruffy git!' line of character assassination, for the next election. Because, in comparison to this shit May's pulling now, they've got nothing on him now..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 10:48:05 GMT -5
The constant fucking smearing Jeremy Corbyn took for being an "IRA sympathiser" of vaginas who are now supporting the fucking tories getting a punty up aff DUP is complete fuckin hypocrisy. Actual stuff of fucking nightmares man.
The Mail and The Sun say are going to have to go back to the 'he's got his top button undone, the scruffy git!' line of character assassination, for the next election. Because, in comparison to this shit May's pulling now, they've got nothing on him now.. Omg fuckin too right wee bro
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Post by batfink30 on Jun 9, 2017 11:49:39 GMT -5
Mays got no mandate for this government, she's fucking nuts and in denial that she can make it work. She has to go.
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Post by Adam on Jun 9, 2017 12:16:04 GMT -5
I smell another election coming. Surely Corbyn would walk it this time?!?
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jun 9, 2017 13:01:11 GMT -5
Has there been an election lad? Cant say I noticed much said TBH Sarcastic gallows humour aside at this moment in time I think the long term solution would be a rerun, which to my own mind Jeremy Corbyn would win this time around based firstly on the surge in support for his party over the course of the election campaign, and secondly by the number of young people who registered to vote for him during this election which I believe would increase again and probably combine with wavering Conservative or other party voters in more "traditional" Labour areas to hand Corbyn victory. Although a classical Libertarian is probably closest to my own views part of that is accepting the will of the people and the longer this goes on the more I can see popular support growing for Labour. Also politically I am no supporter of the Conservatives who take warped views on both Libertarianism and Socialism based thinking to create policies that produce little or zero value to people. Theresa May needs to go whatever the outcome IMO. She called this election with a stated intention of increasing her majority in preparation for the Brexit negotiations, and this is the worst outcome for her and depending on other party actions the UK. The DUP do not share Conservative views on multiple subjects, crucially Brexit for example, and this to me like the Lib Dems in 2010 is a case of making a grab for power whilst the opportunity is available and will not be sustainable. I personally feel a falling out and fresh elections will come about by November, although politics is a murky and unpredictable business if nothing else so i could as ever be wrong.
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Post by matt on Jun 9, 2017 14:53:04 GMT -5
Just when you think you've seen it all in politics... Corbyn's performance is the most astounding of any political leader I've seen in any political environment. I can't believe I'm reading that it's Labour's biggest vote share since a landslide victory in 2001. This is all the more remarkable not just because of where Corbyn was averaging in the polls these last two years, but also where Labour had been languishing the last decade or so.
As somebody who was very sceptical of Corbyn's abilities, the best thing personally I learnt from last night is to never be a cynic - it will get you nowhere. The Labour Party are back in business.
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Post by matt on Jun 9, 2017 14:59:31 GMT -5
And as a Scot, it's time to stop fannying about with the trivial independence issue. With a rejuvenated Labour party that could potentially knock the Tories away in the next election, there's no excuses for independence now.
The knives will be sharpened for Labour in the next one, especially considering how close they pushed the SNP in many seats, but if Corbyn was able to defeat the right wing media cabal in this, then no opponent is too big for him. If Scotland doesn't turn red for the old traditional working class heartlands, then I will be ashamed.
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Post by matt on Jun 9, 2017 15:13:11 GMT -5
It's incredible the contempt these Tory ministers have for the British people, if they really think we're that stupid in thinking it's not so bad for them 'because they won the most seats'.
The spin machine is bust. Lynton Crosby, and all the media moguls, have run out of tricks.
And watching Question Time, you get the odd Brexiteering bellend piping up stating 'this was about Brexit, when are the government gonna get on about Brexit'. One thing the election was not about was Brexit - undoubtedly, the right wing media won't like to admit it or face up to the fact, but campaigning on social issues was what did it for Corbyn's performance. Are we starting to see a shift in the national agenda?
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 9, 2017 17:08:06 GMT -5
Reminder from an anarcho-communist that in 2017AD the ideas of social healthcare, social education, and the capitalist class having to pay their workers enough money for them to fucking LIVE are still considered radical leftism.
Today's shift is just the beginning of a first step towards a truly democratic society where the idea of private ownership of production is recognised as the absurd and exploitative concept that it is.
Corbyn is a good man to help lead that first step. If he can make more headway with Labour, and if the Sanders movement can continue in America, there is a lot of reason to be hopeful.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 9, 2017 18:10:21 GMT -5
We here are common as dirt, three lions on our shirt, with high expectations. Absolve this land of a Queen who feasts while we wean a small, hopeless nation.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jun 9, 2017 18:11:11 GMT -5
Just when you think you've seen it all in politics... Corbyn's performance is the most astounding of any political leader I've seen in any political environment. I can't believe I'm reading that it's Labour's biggest vote share since a landslide victory in 2001. This is all the more remarkable not just because of where Corbyn was averaging in the polls these last two years, but also where Labour had been languishing the last decade or so. As somebody who was very sceptical of Corbyn's abilities, the best thing personally I learnt from last night is to never be a cynic - it will get you nowhere. The Labour Party are back in business. Great post matt all I can add is the highlighted part was what I tried to stick to on the US Election thread in the aftermath of Trump's election. I refer once again to a great Tony Benn quote "Every generation has to fight the same battles as every other, there are no final victories and no final defeats." Even at the worst of political and social times the latter part is especially worth remembering as one individually and as part of a collective strives for freedoms and rights.
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jun 9, 2017 18:13:10 GMT -5
We here are common as dirt, three lions on our shirt, with high expectations. Absolve this land of a Queen who feasts while we wean a small, hopeless nation. The Escapist is this a textbook example of a political awakening? Sorry Nigel mate but after the US Election thread I wouldn't have put money on you saying this
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jun 9, 2017 18:14:27 GMT -5
We here are common as dirt, three lions on our shirt, with high expectations. Absolve this land of a Queen who feasts while we wean a small, hopeless nation. The Escapist is this a textbook example of a political awakening? Sorry Nigel mate but after the US Election thread I wouldn't have put money on you saying this Los Campesinos lyrics, innit. 😉
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Post by matt on Jun 9, 2017 18:55:52 GMT -5
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Post by The Escapist on Jun 9, 2017 19:09:13 GMT -5
The Escapist is this a textbook example of a political awakening? Sorry Nigel mate but after the US Election thread I wouldn't have put money on you saying this Los Campesinos lyrics, innit. 😉 Isn't Noam Chomsky their bassist?
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Post by guigsysEstring on Jun 9, 2017 19:31:04 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Jun 9, 2017 19:56:40 GMT -5
The losses don't matter to him as they've been making losses for years now (but this is offset significantly by Murdoch's precious cash cow - Sky and the Premier League), but as you say, with 'less political return' that would be the death knell for them. Last night was a good start then. And I think politicians like Tom Watson are absolutely essential in bringing the media to order - nobody in the Commons comes close to his nuanced take on the operations of Murdoch, and with that knowledge comes the power to set the tone of debates. If Labour can continue on the front foot, then this scope of influence will only increase. There is nothing I'd like to see more than the destruction of the most seedy and depraved organisation that is News UK, and with it, the terrible corruption and collusion that governments partake in. And in case any right wing rebel rouser is reading this on here, that is my liberal view on it, not 'rabid raving leftie' view or whatever other dumb cliche they throw out. Britain is or was supposed to be a liberal country which has a 'free press' but it does not have a 'free press' and hasn't had one for decades now what with one man's monopoly, and I might also add that Thatcher allowed Murdoch a bypass through the Monopolies Commission for digital TV - by which those profits essentially fund all the chauvinistic bile they spew out in the media. If he went through normal legal procedure it would have been refused. God only knows how events would have turned out if Kinnock had got in 1992 - we most likely wouldn't see Murdoch have the ability to wield so much of his malign influence in Britain. It's not merely a case of the 'free markets' doing the business for Murdoch, it's outright corruption and political manoeuvres which has got him to where he is today. The fact that this has stood for the best part of three decades is a national disgrace.
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Post by matt on Jun 9, 2017 20:41:01 GMT -5
This popular meme will never be more relevant with regards to Theresa May.
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