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Post by batfink30 on May 22, 2017 15:55:05 GMT -5
After french elections, I'm interested in that bristh one. I'm not sure I'm right about political positionnements of all the parties, but Conservative Party would be our LR (centre-right/right, economic liberalism and conservatism) and Labour Party would our be PS (centre-left,social liberalism, progressism). Am I right ? Are these two parries the only ones that have got a chance to win this general election ? Yeah pretty much, you have the Lib Dems in there too that shape shift from time to time from social democratic leaders to centrist neoliberals (their election campaign has utterly fallen by the wayside by the way). By the way, the social democratic Lib Dem is closest to my way of thinking (pro-EU and pro-PR and institutional reform) - hence why I've voted them in the past. I can't say I 'support' them though, especially given how much they 'shape shift' - the Royal Mail privitasation thing (which the coalition signed off) is something that Lib Dems (those ones who voted for it anyway) try to defend, but try living in very remote areas of the country. Then they'd see how buggered people get. A lot of good underlying principles in the party but absolutely no direction or cohesion with many of the politicians themselves. Hence why I think Labour have got this policy spot on. Andrew Neil tore May to shreds in the interview on BBC tonight. I really hope the public saw that for what it was. She's a blithering disaster and will fuck up the Brexit talks. Unfortunately, I dont think Corbyns got it in him to take advantage of the disaster the Tories are. |
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Post by matt on May 22, 2017 16:12:48 GMT -5
Yeah pretty much, you have the Lib Dems in there too that shape shift from time to time from social democratic leaders to centrist neoliberals (their election campaign has utterly fallen by the wayside by the way). By the way, the social democratic Lib Dem is closest to my way of thinking (pro-EU and pro-PR and institutional reform) - hence why I've voted them in the past. I can't say I 'support' them though, especially given how much they 'shape shift' - the Royal Mail privitasation thing (which the coalition signed off) is something that Lib Dems (those ones who voted for it anyway) try to defend, but try living in very remote areas of the country. Then they'd see how buggered people get. A lot of good underlying principles in the party but absolutely no direction or cohesion with many of the politicians themselves. Hence why I think Labour have got this policy spot on. Andrew Neil tore May to shreds in the interview on BBC tonight. I really hope the public saw that for what it was. She's a blithering disaster and will fuck up the Brexit talks. Unfortunately, I dont think Corbyns got it in him to take advantage of the disaster the Tories are. To be honest mate, I'm not really following this election with great focus - I became massively fatigued what with the Scottish referendum in 2014, the general election in 2015, the Scottish election in 2016 then followed by the EU referendum. But I'm shocked she did an interview with Andrew Neil, given her aversion to any journalists this campaign. As I said in the previous post, she is the worst Tory PM campaigner ever (it's certainly not a compliment, but the likes of Cameron and Thatcher were canny operators - i.e. effectively manipulative, scheming and ultimately and effective communicators, typical Conservative election tactics). May tries to do the same but is useless - who knows, it could be their undoing. I still expect her to remain as PM, but maybe it might not be the landslide that the media are predicting. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on May 23, 2017 7:00:31 GMT -5
That is quite something... I just worry now that, with this attack in Manchester last night, people will be deterred from embracing Labour's progressive policies, and will instead fall foul of the Tory media's spread of fear again. With UKIP finally fucking off in the wake of Brexit, I had hoped we could move away from immigration being discussed all the time, so that maybe then the working classes could be made aware on a larger scale of other, more pressing matters--like the numbers of homeless people there are on the streets now, and the fact our health service is being consciously underfunded--but no, it looks like immigration won't be going away anytime soon*. And the Tories are the only ones who've mentioned capping immigration in their manifesto, so... *The culprit of last night's attack is probably just some pathetic loner who, had he been living in America, would probably have tried to shoot a school up instead - but if he or anyone he knows is Muslim, the result will be the same. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on May 26, 2017 17:17:23 GMT -5
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Post by batfink30 on May 26, 2017 17:23:24 GMT -5
It's been a fucking mess, no doubt and only shows the disaster the Brexit negotiations will be. Whether Corbyn can actually do enough to win though..... probably not (unless Russia decides to help out). |
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Post by matt on May 26, 2017 17:33:42 GMT -5
This is an absolute clusterfuck. Sums up their entire campaign. It's bizarre to think that 7 years ago in the 2010 election campaign for a sitting government, Gordon Brown was unfairly getting it from all angles for being 'incompetent' (based on the false claim that the Labour government caused the recession). He got it in the neck, yet people are happy with this shitfest of a government? |
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Post by matt on May 26, 2017 17:38:21 GMT -5
It's been a fucking mess, no doubt and only shows the disaster the Brexit negotiations will be. Whether Corbyn can actually do enough to win though..... probably not (unless Russia decides to help out). They should get Tom Watson out in the media more - he really can do the firebrand act well I think and twist the knife in. I do like Watson - he wrote a great, and terrifying, book about Rupert Murdoch. |
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Post by matt on May 29, 2017 15:56:08 GMT -5
Paxman v May - if this were a boxing match, the ref would have stopped the match. Awful start from May. Corbyn dealt with him alright I thought.
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Post by The Escapist on May 29, 2017 16:06:26 GMT -5
Corbyn smashed it.
May was embarrassing.
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Post by NYR on May 29, 2017 16:34:32 GMT -5
To everyone in the UK, just remember this: if liberals (particularly Millennials) had showed up and voted, Hillary would have been President and the UK wouldn't have voted out of the EU.
YOUR VOTE MATTERS.
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Post by Manualex on May 29, 2017 17:11:31 GMT -5
To everyone in the UK, just remember this: if liberals (particularly Millennials) had showed up and voted, Hillary would have been President and the UK wouldn't have voted out of the EU. YOUR VOTE MATTERS. This song could be the new Ding dong the witch is dead? Spotify: Youtube: |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on May 29, 2017 17:16:48 GMT -5
To everyone in the UK, just remember this: if liberals (particularly Millennials) had showed up and voted, Hillary would have been President and the UK wouldn't have voted out of the EU. YOUR VOTE MATTERS. This song could be the new Ding dong the witch is dead? Spotify: Youtube: Pretty much - because the radio stations have refused to play this one, as well! |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on May 29, 2017 17:17:08 GMT -5
You can't vote Tory. You just can't. |
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Post by batfink30 on May 30, 2017 6:55:18 GMT -5
You can't vote Tory. You just can't. Never would. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on May 30, 2017 10:16:27 GMT -5
Our press are a fucking disgrace. And I can see them deciding this election just as they did the last one, and the one before that, and the one before that... |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on May 30, 2017 11:30:45 GMT -5
To everyone in the UK, just remember this: if liberals (particularly Millennials) had showed up and voted, Hillary would have been President and the UK wouldn't have voted out of the EU. YOUR VOTE MATTERS. Yep. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on May 30, 2017 13:12:28 GMT -5
To everyone in the UK, just remember this: if liberals (particularly Millennials) had showed up and voted, Hillary would have been President and the UK wouldn't have voted out of the EU. YOUR VOTE MATTERS. This song could be the new Ding dong the witch is dead? Spotify: Youtube:
But again, young folk - it's all well and good parting with 99p for a catchy little tune, but it amounts to nothing if you don't get out there and vote her out! C'mon, let's make June the end of May! |
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Post by matt on May 30, 2017 17:16:44 GMT -5
That might not be a Labour victory, but if this were to be the result, there's no two ways about it - this would be an absolute disaster for the Tories.
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Post by mystoryisgory on May 30, 2017 20:11:32 GMT -5
C'mon, let's make June the end of May! This, right here, is some very clever wordplay. I tip my hat to you, my friend!  And best of luck to Labour in the election! You Brits have support from friends across the pond. Hopefully your victory will inspire ours in the midterms next year! |
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Post by globe on May 30, 2017 21:33:44 GMT -5
That might not be a Labour victory, but if this were to be the result, there's no two ways about it - this would be an absolute disaster for the Tories. Please please please please let it pan out like this. Would love to see the look on all those Tory bastards faces next Friday morning. |
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Post by supersonic1983 on May 31, 2017 1:01:30 GMT -5
That might not be a Labour victory, but if this were to be the result, there's no two ways about it - this would be an absolute disaster for the Tories. A cross-party Brexit negotiating team resulting from a hung parliament would be a fantastic result for the country, albeit one which would make little difference to me having first laughed myself to death. |
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Post by matt on May 31, 2017 13:52:00 GMT -5
That might not be a Labour victory, but if this were to be the result, there's no two ways about it - this would be an absolute disaster for the Tories. A cross-party Brexit negotiating team resulting from a hung parliament would be a fantastic result for the country, albeit one which would make little difference to me having first laughed myself to death. It's the ideal scenario. I've come to terms with the EU referendum now despite being massively pro-EU and a solid base for the Labour Party would pull the agenda leftwards, which is what we desperately need from the shitshow Brexit talks. I've not been a fan of Corbyn by any means these last two years but seeing how poor all the leaders outside Labour have been this campaign, I think he has been the strongest, saving his best for the campaign. The manifesto is strong and for me personally, he's acted like a leader by encompassing all factions of the Labour Party. Perhaps it's not pure Corbyn, but the mark of a good leader is setting your own agenda but also compromise and he's balanced that well. If he's got me approving it, then he's definitely doing something right! |
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Post by Gin & Tonic on May 31, 2017 17:49:56 GMT -5
Excuse my political ignorance, but what exactly is a hung parliament and what goes down if that happens?
I see Tory's lead down to just 3 points according to the latest polls.
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Post by batfink30 on May 31, 2017 18:43:51 GMT -5
Excuse my political ignorance, but what exactly is a hung parliament and what goes down if that happens? I see Tory's lead down to just 3 points according to the latest polls. No overall majority in the House Of Commons. www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/hung-parliament/amp/I'm fucking praying May doesn't get a majority or is beaten, she's leading us headlong into a shambolic, disaster Brexit but then Corbyn says he'll honour the Brexit vote FFS! The polls are a mess as well, all over the place. Surely May not turning up for the debate will lose her votes? She's a complete joke. |
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Post by Gin & Tonic on May 31, 2017 18:51:59 GMT -5
Excuse my political ignorance, but what exactly is a hung parliament and what goes down if that happens? I see Tory's lead down to just 3 points according to the latest polls. No overall majority in the House Of Commons. www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/hung-parliament/amp/I'm fucking praying May doesn't get a majority or is beaten, she's leading us headlong into a shambolic, disaster Brexit but then Corbyn says he'll honour the Brexit vote FFS! The polls are a mess as well, all over the place. Surely May not turning up for the debate will lose her votes? She's a complete joke. Cheers for that, knew it was when nobody had a majority but didn't have a clue what the chat was if it happened. May is a fucking coward, strong and stable my arse. Would love to see this backfire in her face. Surely nobody is going to want to go into coalition with the Tories after the way the Lib Dems have been all but wiped out after selling out? |
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