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Post by Gin & Tonic on Jun 23, 2016 21:48:30 GMT -5
Can't wait for England to vote us out of Europe. Bump...
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Post by Flatulence Panic on Jun 24, 2016 4:23:15 GMT -5
Can't wait for England to vote us out of Europe. Bump... "Listen up sweet child o' mine have I got news for you."
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Post by matt on Jul 14, 2016 16:28:22 GMT -5
Cuban Solidarity group in parliament with Corbyn. Ah, Jeremy - that great bastion of liberalism, supporting a regime with an appalling human rights record, one with a history of jailing gay people and trade unionists.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 16, 2016 21:23:02 GMT -5
Cuban Solidarity group in parliament with Corbyn. Ah, Jeremy - that great bastion of liberalism, supporting a regime with an appalling human rights record, one with a history of jailing gay people and trade unionists. What do you reckon of Obama's posturing towards Cuba, then?
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Post by spaneli on Jul 16, 2016 23:32:21 GMT -5
Cuban Solidarity group in parliament with Corbyn. Ah, Jeremy - that great bastion of liberalism, supporting a regime with an appalling human rights record, one with a history of jailing gay people and trade unionists. What do you reckon of Obama's posturing towards Cuba, then? I'm fine with it. Britain and the US have always supported brutal regimes. Sorry if you're just finding out matt. Besides, from an American stand point, in the last 20 years it hasn't made sense to block off an entire economy which we could easily take over. Having Cuba back in our back pocket makes it an easier route to keeping the Americas, an American domain, and an economic power. I think Obama's Cuban policy has been his Nixon to China moment (which one could make the case that China was far worse than Cuba in terms of their human rights record, if such a thing could be possible), which will be one of the crowning successes of his presidency.
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Post by matt on Jul 17, 2016 12:25:34 GMT -5
What do you reckon of Obama's posturing towards Cuba, then? I'm fine with it. Britain and the US have always supported brutal regimes. Sorry if you're just finding out matt. Erm... of course I know that that, but cheers for your patronising sentiment. Beady’s Here Now - I don't mind Obama's position, but to dig deeper and that post is supposed to convey massive hypocrisy from Corbyn. I do believe in the need for diplomacy and trade deals (NOT arms deals) as that is often an inadvertent route to liberalising countries through incremental process as it has been proven to undermine the relative power of illegitimate government, but you get sanctimonious movements like the Corbynites banging on about Iraq and talking up Blair as a war criminal, then you see the flip side to all this with regards to Corbyn's relations with other unscrupulous characters. Corbyn is actively seeking to prop up Cuba regime by refuting the need for trade (as that opens up the market and for an anti-capitalist like Corbyn, is a very bad thing indeed) but this is a man, who along with his grassroots movement, calls for Blair and Bush's head yet kow-tows with Stop The War coalition (which urged jihadists to kill British soldiers in 2004), and shamelessly gets paid to appear on an Iranian state television channel that filmed the torture of an Iranian journalist and acts as a mouthpiece for the execution of gays. He also has plenty of time for his anti-semite pals Raed Salah - imprisoned for inciting anti-Jewish hatred, a vicar called Stephen Sizar who wrote a blog blaming the Jews for 9/11 and Paul Eiser who is a Holocaust denier. And who can forget his public appraisal of his 'friends from Hamas and Hezbollah'? For sure, I didn't agree with the Iraq War (but that's not to say there wasn't a case for removing Saddam through a genuine internationalist route) and governments like ours that prop up the Saudi regime by selling weapons is as bad as the attitudes that Corbyn and co display. But the moral bandwagoning by Corbyn and co is astonishing in its hypocrisy. It is a general problem of the left that 'my enemy's enemy is my friend'.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 6:06:03 GMT -5
Will there be an election soon?
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Post by globe on Apr 18, 2017 6:47:30 GMT -5
Will there be an election soon? Aye, May has just called one for June.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 6:54:53 GMT -5
Will there be an election soon? Aye, May has just called one for June. I read something, but I didn't really understand it So that's why I asked.
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Post by globe on Apr 18, 2017 6:57:01 GMT -5
Tory landslide, canna wait.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 7:16:32 GMT -5
It's always seemed screwed up to me that the people in power can effectively unilaterally decide when and how we're allowed to vote for the people in power.
Hoping for a massive backfire, but chances of that happening are slim to none.
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Post by matt on Apr 18, 2017 7:50:02 GMT -5
It's always seemed screwed up to me that the people in power can effectively unilaterally decide when and how we're allowed to vote for the people in power. This is going to end badly.... But surely it cannot be as straightforward as the government arrogantly thinks? The Fixed Parliament Act that was introduced in the last government meaning that this must go to a vote in the Commons. If there is unanimous opposition agreement against, and with a few Tory MPs terrified of losing their seats to the Lib Dems in massively pro-EU constituencies, then there is hopefully a very slight chance of a general election campaign being overturned. Clutching at straws here I am.
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Post by batfink30 on Apr 18, 2017 8:21:00 GMT -5
Well, Labour will be a train wreck. Best hope is a lot of Tory voter switch to the Lib Dems and realise the disaster Brexit will be. How about an anti-Brexit coalition? There's a chance but a very small chance now to avoid Brexit. Of May gets in again its the final nail in the coffin.
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Post by matt on Apr 18, 2017 9:53:51 GMT -5
Well, Labour will be a train wreck. Best hope is a lot of Tory voter switch to the Lib Dems and realise the disaster Brexit will be. How about an anti-Brexit coalition? There's a chance but a very small chance now to avoid Brexit. Of May gets in again its the final nail in the coffin. It will be damage limitation at best - certainly now that Labour and Lib Dem will be supporting the election vote when it goes to parliament tomorrow. Best case scenario I can hope for is that I can't see much change in Scotland, Labour will definitely lose seats but not as much as feared by retaining their heartlands, and Lib Dems will maybe grab a few marginal pro-EU seats.
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Post by Ross on Apr 18, 2017 13:19:25 GMT -5
might not bother voting in this one.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 18, 2017 17:50:13 GMT -5
While a lot of us don't agree on many things but are probably on the same side of line, I think this could be a depressing few months.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Apr 19, 2017 1:17:28 GMT -5
I will vote for Labour without hesitation. Theresa May's autocracy is an alarming prospect.
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Post by matt on Apr 19, 2017 17:54:04 GMT -5
While a lot of us don't agree on many things but are probably on the same side of line, I think this could be a depressing few months. I agree with this tom, political stances have been a bugbear between us (and understandably hot headed when you see what the Conservatives are doing) but the bottom line is there are shared ideals. I'm really worried that no matter who is leading what party (whether its mine or yours), the voices just won't be heard - the political climate in Europe where reactionary attitudes are the norm and the centre left/left are being annihilated suggests a dire state of affairs where even the best individual politicians on the left will struggle. No sense left in the running of this country.
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Post by batfink30 on Apr 19, 2017 21:29:33 GMT -5
I genuinely find it difficult to find anyone to vote for. They're all pretty awful.
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Post by batfink30 on Apr 22, 2017 15:43:20 GMT -5
Dear God.....
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 50% (+4) LAB: 25% (-) LDEM: 11% (-) UKIP: 7% (-2)
(via ComRes)
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Apr 25, 2017 12:43:47 GMT -5
I don't understand how this works.
Didn't May just get elected? Why hold another election?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 14:53:47 GMT -5
I don't understand how this works. Didn't May just get elected? Why hold another election? Labour are doing crap in the polls atm. She's taking advantage of that by calling a general election whilst it's still easy to win, If she does win, it results in getting her an extra couple of years in power, likely more seats for the Tories, and stops people being able to call her out on the fact that no one voted for her as Prime Minister. Low risk, decent sized reward; from a political perspective you can get why she's doing it, and there's no legal reason why she can't. Imo though, she's just taking the piss out of democracy. Elections are meant to fairly gauge peoples' opinions by who they elect to represent them, I don't they shouldn't be allowed to used as a blatant cynical power grab like this.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Apr 28, 2017 5:03:18 GMT -5
Are there any would-be Conservative voters on here who can perhaps explain how one infers "strong and stable leadership" from a charmless robot of a woman who seeks to censor scrutiny of—or opposition to—her ideas, and who, during an election campaign, emerges only to speak to sympathetic ears in safe spaces or to waffle in response to any question posed of her?
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Post by batfink30 on Apr 28, 2017 6:13:03 GMT -5
Are there any would-be Conservative voters on here who can perhaps explain how one infers "strong and stable leadership" from a charmless robot of a woman who seeks to censor scrutiny of—or opposition to—her ideas, and who, during an election campaign, emerges only to speak to sympathetic ears in safe spaces or to waffle in response to any question posed of her? And as the economy start to tank as announced today. Nothing stable about May, she's a train wreck willingly leading the UK to a hard Brexit and a giant recession. I'm convinced most of the general public don't watch the news or read about the economy or politics etc. It's fucked up.
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Post by supersonic1983 on Apr 28, 2017 7:23:44 GMT -5
Nothing stable about May, she's a train wreck willingly leading the UK to a hard Brexit and a giant recession. Or what's come to be known in British politics as "a safe pair of hands".
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