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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 20:47:20 GMT -5
Is that really Andy Bell? It's not the derivative songwriter we've known the last 15 years? It's probably the Andy Bell from Erasure. |
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Post by icebreath on Feb 22, 2015 21:12:03 GMT -5
Is that really Andy Bell? It's not the derivative songwriter we've known the last 15 years? Because he was stuck in the limited Oasis and Beady Eye songwriting style, it doesn't mean that the guy's musical taste is stuck in the 60's. If you ever heard the mixtapes he was doing while he was in Beady Eye, you would've understand that he's exactly the opposite musically. |
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Post by matt on Feb 22, 2015 22:44:13 GMT -5
Is that really Andy Bell? It's not the derivative songwriter we've known the last 15 years? Because he was stuck in the limited Oasis and Beady Eye songwriting style, it doesn't mean that the guy's musical taste is stuck in the 60's. If you ever heard the mixtapes he was doing while he was in Beady Eye, you would've understand that he's exactly the opposite musically. I know he's a talented guy, but he sure as hell restricted himself in Beady Eye. I cannot believe the guy who presided over one of the great albums of the 90s - Nowhere by Ride - could write such Beatles knock offs. |
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Post by leak4ever on Feb 23, 2015 1:50:37 GMT -5
I like Gem a lot as a geezer but as a songwriter? Hmmm. Let's look at his Oasis output:
Hung in a Bad Place
A Bell Will Ring
Eyeball Tickler
The Quiet Ones
To Be Where There's Life
Worryingly, that could easily be mistaken for someone's '5 worst Oasis songs' list.
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Post by shinealight on Feb 23, 2015 2:03:47 GMT -5
at least Genm looked like he had fun with Oasis and enjoyed it. Andy on the other hand... he just doesn't have rock star in his DNA...
It was pretty obvious that anyone who would be in Oasis after old guard could not write tunes like Noel did. If that person could there s no change going into Oasis.... because it would ruin their potential. These guys were just lucky cause Noel was too lazy to write another full album... Thought Gem was a perfect fit for them... helped Liam a lot and he and Noel seemd to get on well.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 23, 2015 6:59:56 GMT -5
Why is anyone even discussing Gem's songwriting? He should not and would never be allowed to write a song for HFB. And I think he would accept that. He is not Andy, he is not Liam. He's never gonna get a chance to write an album on his own solo. If he stays in music it would have to be in a session musician type role I would think.
I think he's a good guitarist though and plays well with Noel though. I think he'd be a good fit on tour. But on the other hand I think the band for HFB have already been hired so I doubt that it'll happen
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Feb 23, 2015 8:33:46 GMT -5
Gems stuck in the 1960s, likewise Andy. They remind me of Les McQueen from The League Of Gentlemen.  Narrow minded in their musical tastes, totally out of touch and out of fashion, not heard of anything beyond 1960s and 1970s glam rock, and their songwriting is dad rock and pastiche. Noel's better off without either of them to be brutally honest. Narrowminded in musical taste? Habe you listenend to Andy Bells DJ sets? Hip hop, shoegaze, surf, boogie, psychedelic, blues, rock, Jazz and some Soundtrack samples. This guy is not narrow minded in music. I Really like how many members here talk so rude about members of a Band they like, like they know them personally and really well. |
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Post by leak4ever on Feb 23, 2015 8:37:34 GMT -5
Why is anyone even discussing Gem's songwriting? He should not and would never be allowed to write a song for HFB. And I think he would accept that. He is not Andy, he is not Liam. He's never gonna get a chance to write an album on his own solo. If he stays in music it would have to be in a session musician type role I would think. I think he's a good guitarist though and plays well with Noel though. I think he'd be a good fit on tour. But on the other hand I think the band for HFB have already been hired so I doubt that it'll happen Although I don't rate Gem as a songwriter, I can't believe people think Liam is capable of solo career but not Gem. In what way is Liam a better musician than Gem? All that Liam has over Gem is his name. In terms of pure musicality, Gem is head and shoulders above Liam. |
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Post by batfink30 on Feb 23, 2015 9:24:15 GMT -5
Gems stuck in the 1960s, likewise Andy. They remind me of Les McQueen from The League Of Gentlemen. Narrow minded in their musical tastes, totally out of touch and out of fashion, not heard of anything beyond 1960s and 1970s glam rock, and their songwriting is dad rock and pastiche. Noel's better off without either of them to be brutally honest. Narrowminded in musical taste? Habe you listenend to Andy Bells DJ sets? Hip hop, shoegaze, surf, boogie, psychedelic, blues, rock, Jazz and some Soundtrack samples. This guy is not narrow minded in music. I Really like how many members here talk so rude about members of a Band they like, like they know them personally and really well. They probably talk so rude about him because his Oasis songs were terrible. So we're his Ride songs to be honest. |
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Post by dennizz on Feb 23, 2015 9:38:50 GMT -5
I like Gem a lot as a geezer but as a songwriter? Hmmm. Let's look at his Oasis output: Hung in a Bad Place A Bell Will Ring Eyeball Tickler The Quiet Ones To Be Where There's Life Worryingly, that could easily be mistaken for someone's '5 worst Oasis songs' list. i love To Be Where There's Life and Eyeball Tickler |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 23, 2015 9:54:22 GMT -5
I love To Be Where There's Life too. Gem has written a few stinkers, but this isn't one of them imo.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 23, 2015 10:06:04 GMT -5
I like Gem a lot as a geezer but as a songwriter? Hmmm. Let's look at his Oasis output: Hung in a Bad Place A Bell Will Ring Eyeball Tickler The Quiet Ones To Be Where There's Life Worryingly, that could easily be mistaken for someone's '5 worst Oasis songs' list. Considering where Gem was coming from, he out produced what Andy offered to Oasis. Granted Andy wrote the best non Gallagher tune in "Turn Up The Sun" but Gem's overall Oasis catalogue is stronger. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 23, 2015 10:23:28 GMT -5
Why is anyone even discussing Gem's songwriting? He should not and would never be allowed to write a song for HFB. And I think he would accept that. He is not Andy, he is not Liam. He's never gonna get a chance to write an album on his own solo. If he stays in music it would have to be in a session musician type role I would think. I think he's a good guitarist though and plays well with Noel though. I think he'd be a good fit on tour. But on the other hand I think the band for HFB have already been hired so I doubt that it'll happen Although I don't rate Gem as a songwriter, I can't believe people think Liam is capable of solo career but not Gem. In what way is Liam a better musician than Gem? All that Liam has over Gem is his name. In terms of pure musicality, Gem is head and shoulders above Liam. Liam's tunes are better. Being a good musician and being a good songwriter do not necessarily go together. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 10:29:10 GMT -5
I dunno, The Roller is probably still Beady Eye's best song (if not their best production). It's a pretty impressive pop tune. Gem wrote that, didn't he? To me, the Beady Eye output of LAG is pretty much indisinguishable in quality from songwriter to songwriter. All three wrote some good tunes, some alright ones and some shocking dross. Maybe Liam has a slight edge if you give him Flick of the Finger, although I thought all three worked on that one. Gem did write The Roller, as well as Off At The Next Exit which is very highly rated on this forum. Liam came up with the chords and the melody for Flick Of The Finger, Gem and Andy wrote the words and I think Sitek came up with the trumpet idea. I agree that the writing is similar in many respects and I often struggle to remember who wrote what. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 23, 2015 10:30:18 GMT -5
Can't speak for Beady Eye songs, but I wasn't impressed with either if you look at Oasis songs. What did Liam write besides Songbird and I'm Outta Time (and Born on a different cloud, I love that one) that was so great?
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 23, 2015 10:31:25 GMT -5
I dunno, The Roller is probably still Beady Eye's best song (if not their best production). It's a pretty impressive pop tune. Gem wrote that, didn't he? To me, the Beady Eye output of LAG is pretty much indisinguishable in quality from songwriter to songwriter. All three wrote some good tunes, some alright ones and some shocking dross. Maybe Liam has a slight edge if you give him Flick of the Finger, although I thought all three worked on that one. Gem did write The Roller, as well as Off At The Next Exit which is very highly rated on this forum. Liam came up with the chords and the melody for Flick Of The Finger, Gem and Andy wrote the words and I think Sitek came up with the trumpet idea. I agree that the writing is similar in many respects and I often struggle to remember who wrote what. What's left of the melody of Flick Of The Finger if you take away the trumpets? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 10:34:21 GMT -5
Gem did write The Roller, as well as Off At The Next Exit which is very highly rated on this forum. Liam came up with the chords and the melody for Flick Of The Finger, Gem and Andy wrote the words and I think Sitek came up with the trumpet idea. I agree that the writing is similar in many respects and I often struggle to remember who wrote what. What's left of the melody of Flick Of The Finger if you take away the trumpets? When I say Sitek came up with the trumpets, I mean just the idea of using brass on the track. Liam had the melody and Sitek put a trumpet section to it. To be honest, it was the difference between a good song and a great song. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 23, 2015 10:36:36 GMT -5
Can't speak for Beady Eye songs, but I wasn't impressed with either if you look at Oasis songs. What did Liam write besides Songbird and I'm Outta Time (and Born on a different cloud, I love that one) that was so great? I rank "Boy With The Blues" pretty high as one of the best songs Liam has ever written. I also really like "Pass Me Down The Wine". If I ranked the LAG Oasis contributions I go like this: 1. Liam 2. Gem 3. Andy |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 23, 2015 10:42:37 GMT -5
Can't speak for Beady Eye songs, but I wasn't impressed with either if you look at Oasis songs. What did Liam write besides Songbird and I'm Outta Time (and Born on a different cloud, I love that one) that was so great? Liam was good for one good tune per album in Oasis for the last three albums. That's more than could be said for either of the other two, unfortunately, although part of that is that Noel couldn't pick an album properly if you spotted him 80 Beatles songs. Songs like........ Songbird Born On A Different Cloud Love Like A Bomb Guess God Thinks I'm Abel Pass Me Down The Wine I'm Outta Time Boy With The Blues Were nice additions to Oasis between 2000 and 2009. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 23, 2015 10:46:08 GMT -5
Can't speak for Beady Eye songs, but I wasn't impressed with either if you look at Oasis songs. What did Liam write besides Songbird and I'm Outta Time (and Born on a different cloud, I love that one) that was so great? I rank "Boy With The Blues" pretty high as one of the best songs Liam has ever written. I also really like "Pass Me Down The Wine". If I ranked the LAG Oasis contributions I go like this: 1. Liam 2. Gem 3. Andy Forgot about that one. Boy With The Blues is a nice song, shame it didn't end up on an album. Agree with the ranking. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 23, 2015 10:49:01 GMT -5
I rank "Boy With The Blues" pretty high as one of the best songs Liam has ever written. I also really like "Pass Me Down The Wine". If I ranked the LAG Oasis contributions I go like this: 1. Liam 2. Gem 3. Andy Forgot about that one. Boy With The Blues is a nice song, shame it didn't end up on an album. Agree with the ranking. It is a real crime "Boy With The Blues" didn't get a better fate in Oasis. It was recorded during DBTT and DOYS. Could have easily been on either! Instead bonus CD on the deluxe edition. Oh joy! I really liked Noel's idea for an EP back in January 2006 featuring this song. Imagine an EP of this: 1. Lord Don't Slow Me Down 2. Stop The Clocks (Liam) 3. I Wanna Live In A Dream In My Record Machine (Liam) 4. Boy With The Blues That would have been awesome coming off the success of DBTT.  |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 23, 2015 10:53:21 GMT -5
They should have done that. But it wouldn't have made a difference for DOYS, which still would have been the same.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 23, 2015 10:57:58 GMT -5
They should have done that. But it wouldn't have made a difference for DOYS, which still would have been the same. Nah, I could have saved Dig Out Your Soul. Have you seen my revised tracklisting? Noel should have given me a ring.  Bag It Up
The Turning
Waiting For The Rapture
The Shock of The Lightning
I'm Outta Time
Come On Outside
Falling Down
To Be Where There Is Live (Fearless version)
I Wanna Live In A Dream In My Record Machine (Liam)
Boy With The Blues
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 11:00:42 GMT -5
They should have done that. But it wouldn't have made a difference for DOYS, which still would have been the same. Nah, I could have saved Dig Out Your Soul. Have you seen my revised tracklisting? Noel should have given me a ring. Bag It Up
The Turning
Waiting For The Rapture
The Shock of The Lightning
I'm Outta Time
Come On Outside
Falling Down
To Be Where There Is Live (Fearless version)
I Wanna Live In A Dream In My Record Machine (Liam)
Boy With The Blues
What about the Nature of Reality? Would that just be a non-album single? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 23, 2015 11:02:03 GMT -5
Nah, I could have saved Dig Out Your Soul. Have you seen my revised tracklisting? Noel should have given me a ring. Bag It Up
The Turning
Waiting For The Rapture
The Shock of The Lightning
I'm Outta Time
Come On Outside
Falling Down
To Be Where There Is Live (Fearless version)
I Wanna Live In A Dream In My Record Machine (Liam)
Boy With The Blues
What about the Nature of Reality? Would that just be a non-album single? That would have been flushed down the toilet or appeared on a future Beady Eye album sadly. |
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