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Post by Adam on Feb 14, 2015 17:38:37 GMT -5
I'm really hoping it doesn't affect sales at all so it doesn't deter Noel's future releases. The early leak didn't seem to affect the sales of BE... But there's no real indicator in place to know if that's completely true.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Feb 14, 2015 18:31:27 GMT -5
Won't hurt sales. Can't see why a leak would change anything. Either they want to buy it or they don't. I doubt someone thinks "Oh, it's leaked? Great I can save 15$" when all they'd have to is wait till the day of release to download free anyway...
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 14, 2015 18:52:27 GMT -5
Won't hurt sales. Can't see why a leak would change anything. Either they want to buy it or they don't. I doubt someone thinks "Oh, it's leaked? Great I can save 15$" when all they'd have to is wait till the day of release to download free anyway... That was exactly what I was going to say. It will be all over the internet so it doesn't matter when it happens.
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Post by glider on Feb 14, 2015 19:20:58 GMT -5
Albums have been leaking weeks in advance for 15 years now. Doesn't stop artists from going #1. It will however impact potential units sold but it's all relative since all artists deal with it. I have no idea how Taylor Swift sold 4 million copies of 1989 in under 4 months. A strong, massive, young fanbase that is constantly active on twitter and instagram. A young fanbase that loves a young artist whose had major hit songs in the past 6 years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 20:02:41 GMT -5
Here's one comment from one of the leak sources.
"fucking great album, ty for the leak. im definitely buying this"
I don't know if he's a hardcore fan or not but if people like what they hear from the leak, then it's hardly going to put them off buying it.
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Post by mystoryisgory on Feb 14, 2015 20:25:11 GMT -5
For all you Radiohead fans out there, do you remember when Kid A leaked onto Napster? I've heard some say that it was Napster that helped propel that album to #1 in the U.S. After all, Kid A was promoted in a low key but mysterious way, and was composed of abstract electronic pieces, so it wouldn't have much commercial appeal. So it's possible that its leak helped it gain media attention, and allow an unconventional album gain commercial success! Maybe Noel will benefit from this leak in a similar way, since CY is by no means anything like he's ever released. Except Teotihuacan (which without a doubt wins a prize for the most ballsy release by Noel ever!)
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 14, 2015 22:17:10 GMT -5
For all you Radiohead fans out there, do you remember when Kid A leaked onto Napster? I've heard some say that it was Napster that helped propel that album to #1 in the U.S. After all, Kid A was promoted in a low key but mysterious way, and was composed of abstract electronic pieces, so it wouldn't have much commercial appeal. So it's possible that its leak helped it gain media attention, and allow an unconventional album gain commercial success! Maybe Noel will benefit from this leak in a similar way, since CY is by no means anything like he's ever released. Except Teotihuacan (which without a doubt wins a prize for the most ballsy release by Noel ever!) I do remember when it leaked on Napster. Every album around that time leaked on to Napster. What I also remember is the massive promotion in America for Kid A. The band had a ton of interest following Ok Computer and all its critical hype. It didn't hurt the band that almost every Kid A review hailed it as a masterpiece. That record meant so much to me and it came out my freshman year of college. Fun times indeed.
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Post by stevemeister on Feb 14, 2015 22:55:51 GMT -5
If anything I think Spotify will affect sales.``
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Post by Sternumman on Feb 14, 2015 22:59:05 GMT -5
I'm really hoping it doesn't affect sales at all so it doesn't deter Noel's future releases. The early leak didn't seem to affect the sales of BE... But there's no real indicator in place to know if that's completely true. BE sold records?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 14, 2015 23:06:58 GMT -5
I would wager a huge amount of money that the only people who know (read: care) about this leak is this forum. Seriously, who the hell follows Noel Gallagher closely enough other than the Oasis fan base?
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 15, 2015 3:38:33 GMT -5
If anything I think Spotify will affect sales.`` Well, yeah, and also chart positions, since streaming is now included in the charts.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 15, 2015 5:34:20 GMT -5
Pretty much everything leaks nowadays. Don't see any reason why it should affect Noel more than anyone else that is out there. He may even be cushioned a bit more than the average fan because I think his fanbase may not be massive...but it is fairly passionate. I do believe that the Madonna album out the week after his has leaked already a while back for instance? According to a couple gay men on my facebook feed at least. Don't quote me on that. lol
Illegal downloading is the major issue. But those that are going to do that will do it regardless of when the product become available to download, leak or official release
I remember Noel saying back in 2008 (I think) that he noticed that the music landscape was changing a lot but that Oasis were fortunate in that they were self contained and their albums would sell what they did. They weren't as much at the whims of the market. I think to a certain extent Noel has a bit of that going for him. And good sized passionate fanbase. Obviously not to the same extent. But he could drop his sales by half and still be selling enough albums to be worth touring and releasing another record. He would be in a bit of a danger zone at that point in case in turned out to be a downward trend for the next album.
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Post by jaq515 on Feb 15, 2015 5:54:58 GMT -5
According to a couple gay men on my facebook feed at least. Don't quote me on that. lol LOLZ
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 6:20:57 GMT -5
I'm literally the only one of my friends who even knows its leaked. Most of them are just casual fans and they've got it pre-ordered on iTunes ready to mouth off about it when it comes out saying that they are such great fans, though its not as good as Wonderwall.
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Post by lamboasis on Feb 15, 2015 6:23:32 GMT -5
CY will be a easy easy easy #1.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 15, 2015 8:46:12 GMT -5
This album will be out in 2 weeks. WHY THE FUCK DON'T THEY PROMOTE IT?!
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Post by KRRRRRRR on Feb 15, 2015 8:52:57 GMT -5
This album will be out in 2 weeks. WHY THE FUCK DON'T THEY PROMOTE IT?! WTF do you want "them" to do? He's probably rehearsing every day right now. A lot can still happen in the next two weeks. We could hear tomorrow he's got radio sessions scheduled or something like a Maida Vale show on BBC. These things arent announced eons of time in advance. Noel's albums sell themselves on name recognition, at least in the UK which is really the only market that really matters to him. Every other market is just icing on the cake. He doesnt need to do a lot of promotion pre-release. Once its out, things will start moving. His tour starts the day after the album is released. What I'm most interested in right now is if anything in the press is said about the leak and if they make any moves to counteract it. Id not be surprised to see the album tossed up for stream this week.
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Post by gdforever on Feb 15, 2015 10:32:39 GMT -5
This album will be out in 2 weeks. WHY THE FUCK DON'T THEY PROMOTE IT?! WTF do you want "them" to do? He's probably rehearsing every day right now. A lot can still happen in the next two weeks. We could hear tomorrow he's got radio sessions scheduled or something like a Maida Vale show on BBC. These things arent announced eons of time in advance. Noel's albums sell themselves on name recognition, at least in the UK which is really the only market that really matters to him. Every other market is just icing on the cake. He doesnt need to do a lot of promotion pre-release. Once its out, things will start moving. His tour starts the day after the album is released. What I'm most interested in right now is if anything in the press is said about the leak and if they make any moves to counteract it. Id not be surprised to see the album tossed up for stream this week. They might stream it. They did with the last album even though it didn't leak. There is no way to counteract a leak though. It is what it is...and it happens to vitually every artist nowadays. The best thing they can do is just ignore the leak and usually the press will do the same, for the most part. Noel has nothing to gain by speaking about the leak until the album drops. A large number of people will probably not even know it has leaked unless they are on forums or maybe if they are on twitter and following other Oasis fanbase. They will if Noel talks about the leak in an interview though. And maybe go looking. Last time around he split every day between interviews in the morning and rehearsal in the afternoon. All the daily/weekly print magazines/papers would hold their interviews until the week before or the week of the album. There have been a good number of features in the monthly publications though, all the usual suspects. Maybe it seems like less because he seems to be trotting out a lot of he same stories/been asked the same questions so they all blur together. And you have a point that radio interviews are usually only announced a week to few days in advance. Besides doing too much promo when the album isn't even available to buy is a bit useless. I don't preorder most albums. If I were to hear an artist on a show and like a tune I'd try to find the album then. If it wasn't out...I may or may not remember to check again down the road. It could take a while before I think of it again. Or if I never heard the tune again I could totally forget. People seem to be expecting him to be everywhere. And he was a bit more front and center the last time around. But that was Noel Gallagher's first post Oasis everything, a much bigger deal...despite this being a great album. Besides I seem the remember only 1 acoustic performance and a mimed French TV show before the album dropped. First UK TV show wasn't until the Jonathan Ross Show at the very end of the week the album dropped. Now he is on Graham Norton the week before the album drops. Already had a interview on Jonathan Ross to drum up presales. He'll probably do Chatty Man at some point and musical guest on Ross at some point this year.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 15, 2015 10:45:32 GMT -5
I had no idea how promotion for an album works, really, and when it starts.
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Post by lamboasis on Feb 15, 2015 10:59:28 GMT -5
I had no idea how promotion for an album works, really, and when it starts. Going to tv shows, perform there, going to radio show, perform there, do interviews, appear in the front of magazines etc. There's nothing more you can do, i think And yes, for Noel would be great a BRIT's performance, a NME awards performance, everything. But it doesn't look like he will do something of that :\ But he's famous enough to have his album at #1 anyway. But you know, selling 40k copies and get a #1 album and selling 120k copies and get a #1 album is way different. I hope they know what they're doing Maybe when he'll get his own nomination as "Best male solo artist" we'll see him playing at the BRIT's...... one year later
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Feb 15, 2015 11:02:13 GMT -5
I had no idea how promotion for an album works, really, and when it starts. Going to tv shows, perform there, going to radio show, perform there, do interviews, appear in the front of magazines etc. There's nothing more you can do, i think And yes, for Noel would be great a BRIT's performance, a NME awards performance, everything. But it doesn't look like he will do something of that :\ But he's famous enough to have his album at #1 anyway. But you know, selling 40k copies and get a #1 album and selling 120k copies and get a #1 album is way different. I hope they know what they're doing Yeah I know what they have to do, but not when it usually starts. Can't remember the last time. Yeah let's hope so. If there's an album coming out soon that should be #1, it's definitely this one. I would love to see it do well here too. HFB reached #11, which was pretty good. Would love to hear him a bit more on the radio too
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Post by lamboasis on Feb 15, 2015 11:06:00 GMT -5
Going to tv shows, perform there, going to radio show, perform there, do interviews, appear in the front of magazines etc. There's nothing more you can do, i think And yes, for Noel would be great a BRIT's performance, a NME awards performance, everything. But it doesn't look like he will do something of that :\ But he's famous enough to have his album at #1 anyway. But you know, selling 40k copies and get a #1 album and selling 120k copies and get a #1 album is way different. I hope they know what they're doing Yeah I know, but not when it usually starts. Can't remember the last time. Yeah let's hope so. If there's an album coming out soon that should be #1, it's definitely this one. I would love to see it do well here too. HFB reached #11, which was pretty good. Last time it was different because it was like a new start, even if he wasn't a newbie. Basically he went everywhere even before the release. Anyway it usually starts 1/2 weeks before the release date of the album
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Post by gdforever on Feb 15, 2015 11:06:28 GMT -5
I had no idea how promotion for an album works, really, and when it starts. Going to tv shows, perform there, going to radio show, perform there, do interviews, appear in the front of magazines etc. There's nothing more you can do, i think And yes, for Noel would be great a BRIT's performance, a NME awards performance, everything. But it doesn't look like he will do something of that :\ But he's famous enough to have his album at #1 anyway. But you know, selling 40k copies and get a #1 album and selling 120k copies and get a #1 album is way different. I hope they know what they're doing Noel isn't eligible for a Brit this year. He won't be preforming. And by the time next years Brits come around. If the album did as well as the last one and he's in the 2015 top 20 selling albums of the year then maybe he'll get a nomination for the 2016 ones in some category. He had a bit of a diatribe against the Brits being stacked with big label pop artists though. I don't think they are loving him right now. Doubt they'd get him to perform again. And even less likely that he'd win. The NME will likely give him an award next year even if they have to invent one for him. LOL. Obviously they wouldn't get him to perform this year cause he doesn't even have an album out. But I'm sure if he wants to they'll get him to next year. He'll probably be finishing up his tour schedule
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Post by lamboasis on Feb 15, 2015 11:08:19 GMT -5
Going to tv shows, perform there, going to radio show, perform there, do interviews, appear in the front of magazines etc. There's nothing more you can do, i think And yes, for Noel would be great a BRIT's performance, a NME awards performance, everything. But it doesn't look like he will do something of that :\ But he's famous enough to have his album at #1 anyway. But you know, selling 40k copies and get a #1 album and selling 120k copies and get a #1 album is way different. I hope they know what they're doing Noel isn't eligible for a Brit this year. He won't be preforming. And by the time next years Brits come around. If the album did as well as the last one and he's in the 2015 top 20 selling albums of the year then maybe he'll get a nomination for the 2016 ones in some category. He had a bit of a diatribe against the Brits being stacked with big label pop artists though. I don't think they are loving him right now. Doubt they'd get him to perform again. And even less likely that he'd win Damon Albarn got a nomination... and Everyday Robots sold like 50k copies, Noel will beat that in 4 days
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Post by gdforever on Feb 15, 2015 11:16:19 GMT -5
Noel isn't eligible for a Brit this year. He won't be preforming. And by the time next years Brits come around. If the album did as well as the last one and he's in the 2015 top 20 selling albums of the year then maybe he'll get a nomination for the 2016 ones in some category. He had a bit of a diatribe against the Brits being stacked with big label pop artists though. I don't think they are loving him right now. Doubt they'd get him to perform again. And even less likely that he'd win Damon Albarn got a nomination... and Everyday Robots sold like 50k copies, Noel will beat that in 4 days Critics love Albarn. He's a much different case than Noel. I feel like Noel, similar Oasis, would have to be commercially successful enough that he couldn't be ignored for them to consider him. The review could be universally amazing and I feel like they would still snub him if "the people" didn't like it. Maybe I'm just being cynical though.
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