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Post by mossy on Oct 4, 2019 1:50:50 GMT -5
We’ve heard an instrumental minute of their version of TDOYAM (on the WAL video) and a snippet of The Mexican in the background of the HFB1 doc, but I don’t think we’ve heard anything from their version of Freaky Teeth. Jim? You might be getting confused because Gaz described Freaky Teeth as having bottleneck guitar, while The Mexican has slide guitar: “we identified it as 'devil blues redemption song 'and put dirty bottle neck played by Gary Lucas of captain beefheart / Jeff Buckley ( grace / mojo pin ) on it plus some eerie mouth organ ( Morricone ' once upon a time in the west ' we've been seeing this devil blues indie thing for years and decided to crank it right up to the max .... funny 'take me to church' does it very well ( lyrically ) years later but cleaner on the mix Was a good directive and yeh I like the song" X Sorry my reply was not clear. I meant Freaky Teeth from the "regular session" with Sardy. That's a leftover i think since it was on this documentary or another spotted by someone on here written on a board or a piece of paper while they were in the studio, like a to do list or early tracklisting. I'll try and watch the full thing again to find that image. After a good night sleep, i can clearly stand behind my statement : this memory is real I think it was shown on a track listing for HFB1 in the doc. So it was considered for the album. But I don’t see how that makes it more likely for the AA version to be released over any of the other AA versions or new unheard AA tracks?? X
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Post by andymorris on Oct 4, 2019 1:55:21 GMT -5
Nah i meant Freaky Teeth (regular version) from those sessions to be a bonus track on the 20th anniversary release, not the AA version. the one from CY cant be the one from HFB 1 because it feels very different, so Noel could probably add this one so the release would have something new. I hate when we fight Mossy Also, please take my money for this NoelHere’s Noel possibly referring to the AA version of Ballad Of The Mighty I: "Take the Ballad of the Mighty I. Pure dance tune. For some time I’ve had a slower psychedelic version of that song with conga’s, very 1969"
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Post by Jim on Oct 4, 2019 2:25:51 GMT -5
Nothing of the AA version of Freaky Teeth has been heard mossy 👍🏼 You’re an early riser Jim. I respect that. X 🤜🏻🤛🏻 Freaky Teeth was either on a list in the HFB DVD or the International Magic tour DVD along with !!Oh Lord!! which joakim shared a few years back.
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Post by mossy on Oct 4, 2019 4:33:42 GMT -5
Nah i meant Freaky Teeth (regular version) from those sessions to be a bonus track on the 20th anniversary release, not the AA version. the one from CY cant be the one from HFB 1 because it feels very different, so Noel could probably add this one so the release would have something new. I hate when we fight Mossy Also, please take my money for this NoelHere’s Noel possibly referring to the AA version of Ballad Of The Mighty I: "Take the Ballad of the Mighty I. Pure dance tune. For some time I’ve had a slower psychedelic version of that song with conga’s, very 1969" We’re not fighting Andy, I’m just trying to understand what the fook you’re on about ;-P Right, I see what you mean. Yes, I’m not holding out that much hope for the HFB anniversary edition. But if *I* were Noel’s manager, I’d be milking you feckers dry with a lavish £300 5 disc box set version, with disc 2 b-sides and bonus tracks, disc 3 the acoustic demos, and discs 4 & 5 the lost AA tapes. Actually, possibly just a single disc of AA tapes ... maybe I’d hold some back for the 20th anniversary... milk you feckers even more... X
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 4, 2019 5:03:33 GMT -5
Nah i meant Freaky Teeth (regular version) from those sessions to be a bonus track on the 20th anniversary release, not the AA version. the one from CY cant be the one from HFB 1 because it feels very different, so Noel could probably add this one so the release would have something new. I hate when we fight Mossy Also, please take my money for this NoelHere’s Noel possibly referring to the AA version of Ballad Of The Mighty I: "Take the Ballad of the Mighty I. Pure dance tune. For some time I’ve had a slower psychedelic version of that song with conga’s, very 1969" If my memory serves me correctly Noel said that both Do The Damage and Freaky Teeth were on HFB until the very last second and that the ones on the CY bonus CD were them.
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Post by andymorris on Oct 4, 2019 5:46:52 GMT -5
Nah i meant Freaky Teeth (regular version) from those sessions to be a bonus track on the 20th anniversary release, not the AA version. the one from CY cant be the one from HFB 1 because it feels very different, so Noel could probably add this one so the release would have something new. I hate when we fight Mossy Also, please take my money for this NoelHere’s Noel possibly referring to the AA version of Ballad Of The Mighty I: "Take the Ballad of the Mighty I. Pure dance tune. For some time I’ve had a slower psychedelic version of that song with conga’s, very 1969" If my memory serves me correctly Noel said that both Do The Damage and Freaky Teeth were on HFB until the very last second and that the ones on the CY bonus CD were them. Was joking mossy, i know we were not fighting hmmm, i'll have to play those back to back and compare, but those two sound different than the rest of HFB and most of all, wouldn't Dave Sardy be credited for those since they were considered until the last second ? Even if he started recording them, he probably went back or changed them to remove Sardy's production. Freaky Teeth sounds very demo-ish
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Post by mossy on Oct 17, 2019 9:57:01 GMT -5
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Post by Manualex on Oct 17, 2019 11:15:37 GMT -5
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Post by theseventwenty on Oct 17, 2019 15:35:51 GMT -5
"but hearing any more will be literally impossible – Noel owned the master recording of the album and destroyed it."
Outstanding journalism by the NME as usual there, considering they also posted this about Noel NOT having destroyed the album:
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Post by mossy on Oct 17, 2019 16:54:26 GMT -5
"but hearing any more will be literally impossible – Noel owned the master recording of the album and destroyed it." Outstanding journalism by the NME as usual there, considering they also posted this about Noel NOT having destroyed the album: Don’t let the truth get in the way of some good bollocks. X
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Post by theseventwenty on Oct 17, 2019 19:28:36 GMT -5
If we ever get to hear this, I’d then like to hear the AA remixes of the entire Chasing Yesterday album that Gaz mentioned once
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Post by theseventwenty on Oct 17, 2019 19:29:07 GMT -5
So, you know, get cracking Ignition and get the first one released pls
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Post by mossy on Oct 18, 2019 1:23:54 GMT -5
If we ever get to hear this, I’d then like to hear the AA remixes of the entire Chasing Yesterday album that Gaz mentioned once I don’t think they ever actually remixed CY. That project fell apart at the negotiation stage, before they’d actually done the work. X
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Post by andymorris on Oct 18, 2019 8:07:46 GMT -5
Isn't weird those guys dissed Noel everywhere then accept (maybe) to remix CY, months or years after they fell apart, after all the bad things he's allegedly done. I smell a rat.
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Post by theseventwenty on Oct 18, 2019 8:42:07 GMT -5
If we ever get to hear this, I’d then like to hear the AA remixes of the entire Chasing Yesterday album that Gaz mentioned once I don’t think they ever actually remixed CY. That project fell apart at the negotiation stage, before they’d actually done the work. X yeah, it doesnt sound like they finished it - sounds like they STARTED it tho...
"GAZ COBAIN ON REMIXING CHASING YESTERDAY:
„…oh and by the way we were remixing the whole of CHASING YESTERDAY before we realized what was happening with the Right Stuff and the Mexican......not quite so clear cut now is it ?“
„The dissolution of that particular job ( free rein to remix an alternative CHASING YESTERDAY all agreed , contracts drawn up, ready to sign ) was us asking 'awkward' questions about' the right stuff 'and 'the MEXICAN ' in terms our writing credits.“
„…our CHASING YESTERDAY would have included us finalizing our original versions of both songs [The Right Stuff/The Mexican]“
“we chose RIVERMAN as one of the 8 we WERE working from Chasing Yesterday album but no way did it start our album - closed it ( or should I say what we had in mind closed it )”
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Post by mossy on Oct 19, 2019 4:09:36 GMT -5
Isn't weird those guys dissed Noel everywhere then accept (maybe) to remix CY, months or years after they fell apart, after all the bad things he's allegedly done. I smell a rat. Isn’t it weird Noel asked these guys to remix CY after calling their HFB1 work shit in mainstream media. I smell a rat. X
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Post by matt on Oct 19, 2019 19:04:36 GMT -5
Did AA ever work on Freaky Teeth?
I liked that, live it sounded great but the demo and CY version is just appalling. So ponderous, what the hell possessed Noel to make nearly ALL his songs pre-Moon to be so slow and plodding?
Beige and boring really was the word to describe his first two albums.
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Post by Manualex on Oct 19, 2019 19:51:21 GMT -5
Did AA ever work on Freaky Teeth? I liked that, live it sounded great but the demo and CY version is just appalling. So ponderous, what the hell possessed Noel to make nearly ALL his songs pre-Moon to be so slow and plodding? Beige and boring really was the word to describe his first two albums. Dave Sardy did the damage.
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Post by theseventwenty on Oct 20, 2019 10:35:59 GMT -5
Did AA ever work on Freaky Teeth? I liked that, live it sounded great but the demo and CY version is just appalling. So ponderous, what the hell possessed Noel to make nearly ALL his songs pre-Moon to be so slow and plodding? Beige and boring really was the word to describe his first two albums. Yep: “"we identified it as 'devil blues redemption song 'and put dirty bottle neck played by Gary Lucas of captain beefheart / Jeff Buckley ( grace / mojo pin ) on it plus some eerie mouth organ ( Morricone ' once upon a time in the west ' we've been seeing this devil blues indie thing for years and decided to crank it right up to the max .... funny 'take me to church' does it very well ( lyrically ) years later but cleaner on the mix Was a good directive and yeh I like the song"
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Post by matt on Oct 20, 2019 11:25:58 GMT -5
Did AA ever work on Freaky Teeth? I liked that, live it sounded great but the demo and CY version is just appalling. So ponderous, what the hell possessed Noel to make nearly ALL his songs pre-Moon to be so slow and plodding? Beige and boring really was the word to describe his first two albums. Yep: “"we identified it as 'devil blues redemption song 'and put dirty bottle neck played by Gary Lucas of captain beefheart / Jeff Buckley ( grace / mojo pin ) on it plus some eerie mouth organ ( Morricone ' once upon a time in the west ' we've been seeing this devil blues indie thing for years and decided to crank it right up to the max .... funny 'take me to church' does it very well ( lyrically ) years later but cleaner on the mix Was a good directive and yeh I like the song" Ugh, it’s just so tame and lethargic on record. Either should be that description or a full throttled uptempo rocker. Noel sure has a habit of making his songs sound so fucking boring though.
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 20, 2019 12:26:37 GMT -5
I have absolutely no memory of Freaky Teeth. Couldn't tell you a single thing about it.
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Post by mossy on Oct 20, 2019 12:47:11 GMT -5
Did AA ever work on Freaky Teeth? I liked that, live it sounded great but the demo and CY version is just appalling. So ponderous, what the hell possessed Noel to make nearly ALL his songs pre-Moon to be so slow and plodding? Beige and boring really was the word to describe his first two albums. Yep: “"we identified it as 'devil blues redemption song 'and put dirty bottle neck played by Gary Lucas of captain beefheart / Jeff Buckley ( grace / mojo pin ) on it plus some eerie mouth organ ( Morricone ' once upon a time in the west ' we've been seeing this devil blues indie thing for years and decided to crank it right up to the max .... funny 'take me to church' does it very well ( lyrically ) years later but cleaner on the mix Was a good directive and yeh I like the song" Hearing Gaz’s descriptions of the the AA tracks is gutting. Dunno if they could live up to his hype, but goddamn I want to hear them to see for myself. Gary Lucas on slide guitar. Fookin’ hell. X
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Post by theseventwenty on Oct 20, 2019 14:53:13 GMT -5
Yep: “"we identified it as 'devil blues redemption song 'and put dirty bottle neck played by Gary Lucas of captain beefheart / Jeff Buckley ( grace / mojo pin ) on it plus some eerie mouth organ ( Morricone ' once upon a time in the west ' we've been seeing this devil blues indie thing for years and decided to crank it right up to the max .... funny 'take me to church' does it very well ( lyrically ) years later but cleaner on the mix Was a good directive and yeh I like the song" Hearing Gaz’s descriptions of the the AA tracks is gutting. Dunno if they could live up to his hype, but goddamn I want to hear them to see for myself. Gary Lucas on slide guitar. Fookin’ hell. X I almost feel like, compared to the versions we have, those same songs with more interesting production, instrumentation and amazing musicians playing on them pretty much COULDN’T disappoint me. The worse thing about the HFB album is the flat production, for me - lots of layers and stuff to hear but not produced or mixed in an interesting way at all. Imagine those songs rebuilt from the ground up with a world class set of musicians, obsessed over for months and mixed in a way to bring all that interesting detail and (importantly) EMOTION out. It would take a LOT for me to be disappointed in these
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Post by andymorris on Oct 21, 2019 9:23:08 GMT -5
Yep: “"we identified it as 'devil blues redemption song 'and put dirty bottle neck played by Gary Lucas of captain beefheart / Jeff Buckley ( grace / mojo pin ) on it plus some eerie mouth organ ( Morricone ' once upon a time in the west ' we've been seeing this devil blues indie thing for years and decided to crank it right up to the max .... funny 'take me to church' does it very well ( lyrically ) years later but cleaner on the mix Was a good directive and yeh I like the song" Ugh, it’s just so tame and lethargic on record. Either should be that description or a full throttled uptempo rocker. Noel sure has a habit of making his songs sound so fucking boring though. Yeah that version is shockingly bland. The demo that's on the Faster then the speed of magic is way better. Dirty, raw. As that song should have been
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 21, 2019 9:24:39 GMT -5
Everyone relax. We all know this will be part of the 10th Anniversary release. It’s the only interesting angle to take when hawking this product in 2 years. Wild.
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