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Post by mystoryisgory on Dec 30, 2014 18:02:35 GMT -5
In interviews, I often hear Noel bashing Tony for how his drumming was so awful. Apparently Noel did the drums on Half the World Away because (according to Noel) Tony couldn't do it right. But was Tony really that bad? His drumming on songs like Cloudburst and Headshrinker isn't that bad. He also seemed to hit the drums harder than Alan ever did. What do you think?
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Post by scott1 on Dec 30, 2014 18:03:55 GMT -5
He could do a better job than me, put it that way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 18:11:44 GMT -5
The main reason why Tony was sacked was that he struggled with drumming softer songs, Half the World Away being one. Noel knew he wouldn't be able to drum songs on Morning Glory so he was replaced. Ultimatly I liked McCarroll's style of drumming and thought he made DM the album it was with his hard hitting style of drumming on songs like BIOD and Supersonic.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 30, 2014 18:13:23 GMT -5
Well, he wasn't bad in MY eyes, but what do I know, lol. I think he wasn't very versatile.
His drumming on Whatever reminds me of Ringo, btw.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 30, 2014 18:14:54 GMT -5
The main reason why Tony was sacked was that he struggled with drumming softer songs, Half the World Away being one. Noel knew he wouldn't be able to drum songs on Morning Glory so he was replaced. Ultimatly I liked McCarroll's style of drumming and thought he made DM the album it was with his hard hitting style of drumming on songs like BIOD and Supersonic. Yeah that's what I mean. He wasn't versatile, could only drum in that fast style (and according to Noel, it took ages before he got BIOD right as well) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 18:15:13 GMT -5
Well, he wasn't bad in MY eyes, but what do I know, lol. I think he wasn't very versatile. His drumming on Whatever reminds me of Ringo, btw. Exactly.  . He was not BONZO or moon or neil peart. But hey I saw them live with him , was just fine technically whitey better but oasis were not a drum orientated band |
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Post by Headmaster on Dec 30, 2014 18:48:49 GMT -5
His drumming used to be very pedestrian, basic drumming.
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Post by allingoodtime on Dec 30, 2014 18:59:47 GMT -5
I think he was ok, Chris is easily their best, Starkey the worst
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 22:16:50 GMT -5
I have just finished Tony's book about the band, and i think the main reason that tony is sacked is that Noel didn't like him as person. everybody in the band accept the attitude of Noel except tony.
1. Starkey
2. Tony
3. Chris
4. Alan
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Post by unionpat on Dec 30, 2014 23:09:56 GMT -5
Probably wasn't terrible, but not great either. Alan could keep time awfully well, and probably much better rounded, we just never got to hear him stretch in Oasis tunes.
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Post by Rain on Dec 30, 2014 23:25:28 GMT -5
Live by the sea dvd shows Tony's drumming to dreadful, but however he had moments like white room performances
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Post by rupertg on Dec 31, 2014 0:21:20 GMT -5
The main difference is shit can be useful as manure to fertilize soil and as a soil amendment.
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Post by stevemeister on Dec 31, 2014 0:39:09 GMT -5
lol
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Post by World71R on Dec 31, 2014 0:44:06 GMT -5
I think the problem also lies in the fact that a lot of his drumming sounds the same. I could name 3 or 4 songs that have almost the same pattern as each other (Fade Away and Up in the Sky are quite similar, as are Supersonic, Live Forever, and Listen Up), or a couple where it's too plodding (Shakermaker for example). Like someone mentioned, he just wasn't versatile enough to be a good drummer for the band, and it's a shame Noel treated him the way he did when was fired, but I think the firing was necessary to help the band's sound. Without that, I don't think WTSMG would be the album it came out to be, because there are some awesome works by Alan White on that album. Don't Look Back in Anger, Wonderwall, and Cast No Shadow are three songs that come to mind when I think of that, because of how it's got a groove to it, but it's almost sort of hip hop (Wonderwall especially). Those drum tracks definitely added a lot more to the song than what we realize, and that's something Tony didn't really bring to the band, unfortunately. If I had to rank the drummers, it'd be: 1. Chris 2. Alan 3. Zak 4. Tony I like all four of them, it's just that the other three were more versatile and added something unique to the songs they played on, whether it be live (Chris), or in the studio (Alan and Zak). (While we're talking about drummers, I must say Zak did a fine job working on the albums he contributed to. Songs like The Shock of the Lightning, Bag it Up, and Part of the Queue are some really good highlights. You can definitely see why he's played with sooo many different artist & bands, like The Who, over the years. I mean, shoot, he's Ringo's son for fuck's sake!  ) |
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Post by kennerado on Dec 31, 2014 1:20:11 GMT -5
Didn't Owen Morris say he always thought Tony was the best Oasis drummer? I liked Tony but yeah he was way too limited, "two beat Tony".
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Post by World71R on Dec 31, 2014 1:25:45 GMT -5
Didn't Owen Morris say he always thought Tony was the best Oasis drummer? I liked Tony but yeah he was way too limited, "two beat Tony". Owen said the exact opposite of that. He was never really fond of Tony, and Owen even pointed out the varispeed technique he used on Some Might Say to try to hide the mistakes Tony made in the song. |
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Post by onion39 on Dec 31, 2014 21:13:29 GMT -5
I think Tony was by far their best drummer, but I like Oasis the best when they play their 'punk' rock stuff like BIOD or Supersonic. Alan really killed Supersonic with his shit way of playing it, but I am a little biased. I just don't believe it was fair to Tony that Noel had the opportunity to can him himself, considering he was the last member to join the band, and it was Tony, Liam and Bonehead that started it all. I don't believe it should of been only Noel's call to get rid of him.
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Post by wozdareden on Jan 2, 2015 1:43:11 GMT -5
He was in charge and singer's elder brother : he had full powers.
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Post by joladella on Jan 2, 2015 6:16:43 GMT -5
He was in charge and singer's elder brother : he had full powers. And according to Tony's book it was in the contract they signed (with Sony?) that Noel had the power to sack everybody. |
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 2, 2015 13:04:54 GMT -5
Tony was a good basic drummer, and that was it, and I guess that he was a great Smiths fan, cos he has the same playing style of Mike Joyce.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Jan 2, 2015 13:20:53 GMT -5
I think Tony was by far their best drummer, but I like Oasis the best when they play their 'punk' rock stuff like BIOD or Supersonic. Alan really killed Supersonic with his shit way of playing it, but I am a little biased. I just don't believe it was fair to Tony that Noel had the opportunity to can him himself, considering he was the last member to join the band, and it was Tony, Liam and Bonehead that started it all. I don't believe it should of been only Noel's call to get rid of him.  |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 2, 2015 13:25:39 GMT -5
Err..it was Guigs and Bonehead that started it all. Guigsy, Bonehead and a drummachine. Tony was only allowed in because they didn't know anyone else who could drum or something like that. Even Bonehead said he sucked. And Liam joined after that Chris Hutton guy. So eh..no.
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jan 3, 2015 4:41:10 GMT -5
Don't really know enough about drumming to judge. He played his part though, by accident or design the drumming on Supersonic and Bring It On Down - two classic songs on their best album - is instantly recognisable
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Post by MickDude on Jan 3, 2015 9:15:08 GMT -5
Tony was a great drummer. He wasn't Phil Collins but who wants to be Phil Collins?
Listening to Alan White crowbar all sorts of paradiddles and fills into the Definitely Maybe songs STILL boils my blood..
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