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Post by shotvocals on Aug 29, 2006 12:41:36 GMT -5
When they repeat vocal parts on DBTT do they just use one take and repeat it. For instance on Let There be Love are the first and third verse the exact same vocal take? Same thing for Keep the Dream Alive.
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Post by lyla on Aug 30, 2006 10:02:27 GMT -5
i would imagine they don't repeat the one take, but then again i have no idea about the recording process so i dont really know about these things. it seems a bit like cheating if they did, like copy and pasting on a computer or something o.O
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Post by chocolate st*rfish on Aug 30, 2006 11:10:29 GMT -5
i think that's how pop singers like enrique iglesias (what's with him btw.?) are doing it...
as for oasis i wouldnt be surprised if they'd select the best takes and piece them together in the production process... particularly in these days with liam's degrading vocal performance
there's possibly a way to investigate that other than by listening to the songs 10000 times:
if you'd extract the vocal track from a song digitally and compare the wave pattern from the different choruses in a program like "nero wave editor" .....just in case youre really after it..
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Post by ToneBender on Sept 4, 2006 13:29:47 GMT -5
Well, generally speaking, as an audio engineer, the best way to do vocals is by "comping" multiple takes. That is to say, you take the best chorus from one take and the best verse from another take and "print" them as a full vocal track. So usually the vocally you're hearing is a compilation of the best parts of 5 or 6 takes. Some singers like to do a full performance each take, others like to do just one chorus or verse at a time, or a verse into a bridge into a chorus to build up some more emotion as they sing it. everyone has a different routine but for the most part, its just a compilation of takes. given pro tools and other DAW (digital audio workstation) mediums, the amount of takes one can do is limitless so that has changed things dramatically. some bands do tend to take one chorus and paste it throughout the song, which seems to be a bit of cheating. in reality, while it might be the best one, pasting it repeatedly tends to suck the life out of a performance.
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Post by Poshbird05 on Sept 4, 2006 20:55:17 GMT -5
I know that Oasis, on their older albums, would just sing the full song. I'm not sure if they still do or not.
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Post by Orrin on Sept 4, 2006 23:23:53 GMT -5
I know that Oasis, on their older albums, would just sing the full song. I'm not sure if they still do or not. you deserve a budweiser "real men of genius" award for that |
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Post by Poshbird05 on Sept 5, 2006 19:01:52 GMT -5
did you not read what the thread was about?
he asked if they recorded the whole song or just parts and pieced it together. I was saying that they use to sing the whole song through and if they didn't like bits of it they would scrap the whole thing and redo the whole song I don't see what's so bad about that answer it shows that Oasis has a history of using one method that they might still use today. Christ do you just look for opportunities to jump on someone?
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Post by jdn9346 on Sept 7, 2006 10:03:31 GMT -5
Yeah, being a singer/songwriter I agree with settins0n. On my last record. I would do 4-6 Takes singing balls out. We'd take the best from each take. Different factors like energy, vowell sounds, dynamic expression, good notes, just different variations. Thats how its done now. I good producer and engineer will pick the best and put together a puzzle. A bad one would throw the same on, that or the singer couldnt flat do it better than that one. Digital Recording w/ Pro tools makes things way faster and easier. On a downside it makes any jerk sound good. I especially hold a high regard for The Beatles. How they did Sgt Pepper on Analog tape w/ only 4 tracks is mind blowing...
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Post by gavincampbell on Sept 12, 2006 8:54:55 GMT -5
yeh watched a documentary about paul mccartney recordin his last album and was showin how they recorded with a four track moving stuff over all the time is changed days right enough
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Post by mdww on Sept 18, 2006 17:06:50 GMT -5
why not use someting like Audacity to crop the vocal sections that are suspected to be the same, assign them to separate tracks, and play them back at the same time - hopefully it should be quite obvious if they are a cut-and-past job or not......just a thought
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Post by ToneBender on Sept 23, 2006 12:08:25 GMT -5
you won't be able to tell simply by looking at a waveform view of an entire mix..if we had the individual vocal tracks it'd be doable..there are a ton of variables that would come into play by looking at an entire mix. the variables would be how the compressors are reacting differnetly on the full mix, different eq in the mastering of different sections, etc. etc..just gonna have to use your ears!!
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