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Post by longwaytorun on Oct 17, 2014 15:35:29 GMT -5
Why all the hate for Sardy? I mean, the production on the first single by Noel is great, but I didn't think Sardy did a bad job. I thought songs like What a life and Broken Arrow were good songs and had good production on them. But, there's not much a producer can do with crap songs like Everybody's on the Run. I mean, it's a polished turd. Way overproduced to make up for a bad song. I think Noel has some really good songs and some songs that are pretty bad. To blame the producer seems like an excuse. Sardy rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 17, 2014 15:39:13 GMT -5
Why all the hate for Sardy? I mean, the production on the first single by Noel is great, but I didn't think Sardy did a bad job. I thought songs like What a life and Broken Arrow were good songs and had good production on them. But, there's not much a producer can do with crap songs like Everybody's on the Run. I mean, it's a polished turd. Way overproduced to make up for a bad song. I think Noel has some really good songs and some songs that are pretty bad. To blame the producer seems like an excuse. Sardy rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It has more to do with Dave working on so many Oasis and Noel Gallagher solo material. His routine got boring and safe fast. I don't view him as a grand visionary producer at the helm. I've always imagined Noel linking up with someone on equal footing as him. Someone like Nigel Godrich. Even Damon Albarn as producer. |
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Post by squire on Oct 17, 2014 15:41:11 GMT -5
Well I think the album versions of Record Machine and IIHAG are worse than the demos and my intuition is to blame the producer rather than Noel. Really I'm sure it's partly or wholly Noel's fault though...
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Post by gdforever on Oct 17, 2014 15:41:30 GMT -5
You think EOTR is a crap song.
I feel sad for you.
I agree that people are a bit too hard on Sardy though. I think Noel really shouldn't half finish albums then just try and get the producer to polish them up. If he is gonna use a producer he should properly collaborate with them from the beginning. I think that some of the issues on HFB had something to do with the fact that Sardy was working around half finished tracks. He was somewhat limited in what he could manipulate I would have thought.
I think his work on DOYS was noticeably better because he got involved with most of the tunes off the album early on.
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Post by Ltrain on Oct 17, 2014 15:41:41 GMT -5
Why all the hate for Sardy? I mean, the production on the first single by Noel is great, but I didn't think Sardy did a bad job. I thought songs like What a life and Broken Arrow were good songs and had good production on them. But, there's not much a producer can do with crap songs like Everybody's on the Run. I mean, it's a polished turd. Way overproduced to make up for a bad song. I think Noel has some really good songs and some songs that are pretty bad. To blame the producer seems like an excuse. Sardy rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I only blame Sardy a little bit. After all its Noel's decision on what songs get strings, choirs, trumpets etc... I wanted the first album to be more guitar but every album I want like that. I just wish he would cut back on all that shit and go more raw but Noel likes things to be grandioso. As long as the melody is good I'll enjoy it. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 17, 2014 15:46:06 GMT -5
I thought most of it sounded a bit soft and boring.
But I think TDOYAM for instance was produced really well.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 17, 2014 15:55:13 GMT -5
You think EOTR is a crap song. I feel sad for you. I agree that people are a bit too hard on Sardy though. I think Noel really shouldn't half finish albums then just try and get the producer to polish them up. If he is gonna use a producer he should properly collaborate with them from the beginning. I think that some of the issues on HFB had something to do with the fact that Sardy was working around half finished tracks. He was somewhat limited in what he could manipulate I would have thought. I think his work on DOYS was noticeably better because he got involved with most of the tunes off the album early on. I do like "Everybody's On The Run" but it is really over produced. A more acoustic approach might have been more appropriate. I wish Noel performed it in this manner during his acoustic gigs while promoting HFB. What a wasted opportunity. He barely played any new songs at those events. Another thing I STILL don't like is the echo effect at the start of the song. Way too cheesy and a page out of the Nickelback book. Come on Noel and Dave, you guys are better than that........right?  |
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Post by longwaytorun on Oct 17, 2014 15:57:43 GMT -5
Lennon, I want you to confront Sardy about this? LOL
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Post by gdforever on Oct 17, 2014 16:00:28 GMT -5
You think EOTR is a crap song. I feel sad for you. I agree that people are a bit too hard on Sardy though. I think Noel really shouldn't half finish albums then just try and get the producer to polish them up. If he is gonna use a producer he should properly collaborate with them from the beginning. I think that some of the issues on HFB had something to do with the fact that Sardy was working around half finished tracks. He was somewhat limited in what he could manipulate I would have thought. I think his work on DOYS was noticeably better because he got involved with most of the tunes off the album early on. I do like "Everybody's On The Run" but it is really over produced. A more acoustic approach might have been more appropriate. I wish Noel performed it in this manner during his acoustic gigs while promoting HFB. What a wasted opportunity. He barely played any new songs at those events. Another thing I STILL don't like is the echo effect at the start of the song. Way too cheesy and a page out of the Nickelback book. Come on Noel and Dave, you guys are better than that........right? I'll give you the overproduced thing. A case can be made. Although I love the strings and I don't mind the echo on his voice. But he said that there wasn't much that a producer could do with a crap song like EOTR. Which is a different statement entirely |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 17, 2014 16:04:04 GMT -5
As usual on this topic, I agree with Lennon.
Sardy is a good producer for what he tackles, it just isn't a fresh sound. It's recycled. He needed more exploration, more experimentation. The sound he gives Oasis is just outdated and bland, not the it sounds bad, it could just sound much better.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 20, 2014 7:04:27 GMT -5
But, there's not much a producer can do with crap songs like Everybody's on the Run. The fuck did I just read? |
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Post by MacaRonic on Oct 20, 2014 8:25:50 GMT -5
I think on HFBs it wasn't all to do with the "production", another issue on the sound of that album for me was the drums. They sound so generic and were also mixed badly IMO. The drums and bass almost mash together and it sounds horrible. Especially on EOTR, IIHAG and BA.
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Post by shoreline on Oct 20, 2014 9:06:58 GMT -5
Why all the hate for Sardy? I mean, the production on the first single by Noel is great, but I didn't think Sardy did a bad job. I thought songs like What a life and Broken Arrow were good songs and had good production on them. But, there's not much a producer can do with crap songs like Everybody's on the Run. I mean, it's a polished turd. Way overproduced to make up for a bad song. I think Noel has some really good songs and some songs that are pretty bad. To blame the producer seems like an excuse. Sardy rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Firstly I have to say: Everybody's on The Run is a great song. Sadly the production isn't quite right and doesn't get the full potential of the song. If you strip down the song to just the vocals and the acoustic guitar like in the soundcheck-version, it still sounds even better. If a song sounds good just with a simple acoustic guitar and vocals, then it's a good song, because what you're left with is mostly just the melody. But about the studio version; I don't like the effect on Noels vocals, or the drum-pattern and how the drums sound to mention some drawbacks. I really like the "solo" played by the strings in the middle of the song though. I agree that it's not fair to put ALL the blame on Sardy. Not because of the quality of the songs, but mostly because I think the production of Sardy holds back the potential of many songs by Noel that could've been better with different production. I think that Noel has a say in the matter of production, some of the choices of production could've been choices Noel agreed on or even suggested. Still, a producer has to have some autonomy, if not, then why should he be bothered producing it? For example Noel wanted to have the choir on The Turning more audible, but Sardy said no. Now you can barely hear it. There are songs on the albums that could've been greater without Sardy in the main seat, and The Turning is one of them. Still, Sardy has done a great job on some tracks too. The Importance Of Being Idle and Broken Arrow for example. He also did a good job with Liams vocals on DOYS. But in general I think Sardy's production in the long run made oasis and NGHFB sound more safe and perhaps boring. There are also some unforgivable decisions such as the re-recording of the drums on NGHFB1. They may have sounded bad before they were re-recorded, but boy did they plod in the final version too. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 20, 2014 9:19:16 GMT -5
Every time Dave Sardy works on a new song an angel loses their wings.
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Post by carlober on Oct 20, 2014 9:33:55 GMT -5
But, there's not much a producer can do with crap songs like Everybody's on the Run. The fuck did I just read? I'm sorry but I stopped reading after that... |
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Post by matt on Oct 20, 2014 9:54:32 GMT -5
Why all the hate for Sardy? I mean, the production on the first single by Noel is great, but I didn't think Sardy did a bad job. I thought songs like What a life and Broken Arrow were good songs and had good production on them. But, there's not much a producer can do with crap songs like Everybody's on the Run. I mean, it's a polished turd. Way overproduced to make up for a bad song. I think Noel has some really good songs and some songs that are pretty bad. To blame the producer seems like an excuse. Sardy rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I only blame Sardy a little bit. After all its Noel's decision on what songs get strings, choirs, trumpets etc... I wanted the first album to be more guitar but every album I want like that. I just wish he would cut back on all that shit and go more raw but Noel likes things to be grandioso. As long as the melody is good I'll enjoy it. I like the idea of Noel going grandiose as its respite from boring guitars. I love guitars but the way Oasis did it towards the end just got soooooooooooo boring - e.g. Dig Out Your Soul. Besides, Noel can't do 'raw' - he doesn't have the voice to do it, and if he does try it, it comes off as dad rock and as hip as Status Quo. A little bit more variation in instrumentation is a good thing. As for Sardy, his sound is for the most part incredibly murky and unpolished as if he's using recording equipment from the 50s, and a lot of it sounds a mess (If I Had A Gun) Noel's obsession with old fashioned ways really ended up being a detriment to him - Noel is himself to blame for being satisfied with the songs being produced like that, but a good producer would advise Noel on things that he doesn't see. |
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Post by Mr. Bigglesworth on Oct 20, 2014 10:38:44 GMT -5
I can't listen to Everybody's on the run, because of the voice delay in the verses.... I love that song but fuck, that was just pure ear terrorism.
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Post by squire on Oct 20, 2014 12:22:26 GMT -5
Someone needs to remind these guys that sometimes less is more.
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Post by gdforever on Oct 20, 2014 12:27:06 GMT -5
Why all the hate for Sardy? I mean, the production on the first single by Noel is great, but I didn't think Sardy did a bad job. I thought songs like What a life and Broken Arrow were good songs and had good production on them. But, there's not much a producer can do with crap songs like Everybody's on the Run. I mean, it's a polished turd. Way overproduced to make up for a bad song. I think Noel has some really good songs and some songs that are pretty bad. To blame the producer seems like an excuse. Sardy rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Firstly I have to say: Everybody's on The Run is a great song. Sadly the production isn't quite right and doesn't get the full potential of the song. If you strip down the song to just the vocals and the acoustic guitar like in the soundcheck-version, it still sounds even better. If a song sounds good just with a simple acoustic guitar and vocals, then it's a good song, because what you're left with is mostly just the melody. But about the studio version; I don't like the effect on Noels vocals, or the drum-pattern and how the drums sound to mention some drawbacks. I really like the "solo" played by the strings in the middle of the song though. I agree that it's not fair to put ALL the blame on Sardy. Not because of the quality of the songs, but mostly because I think the production of Sardy holds back the potential of many songs by Noel that could've been better with different production. I think that Noel has a say in the matter of production, some of the choices of production could've been choices Noel agreed on or even suggested. Still, a producer has to have some autonomy, if not, then why should he be bothered producing it? For example Noel wanted to have the choir on The Turning more audible, but Sardy said no. Now you can barely hear it. There are songs on the albums that could've been greater without Sardy in the main seat, and The Turning is one of them. Still, Sardy has done a great job on some tracks too. The Importance Of Being Idle and Broken Arrow for example. He also did a good job with Liams vocals on DOYS. But in general I think Sardy's production in the long run made oasis and NGHFB sound more safe and perhaps boring. There are also some unforgivable decisions such as the re-recording of the drums on NGHFB1. They may have sounded bad before they were re-recorded, but boy did they plod in the final version too. Sardy had nothing to do with TIOBI. Oasis did that themselves. It was one of the few songs that survived intact from the session they tried to produce themselves before they got Sardy in. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 20, 2014 12:56:40 GMT -5
Firstly I have to say: Everybody's on The Run is a great song. Sadly the production isn't quite right and doesn't get the full potential of the song. If you strip down the song to just the vocals and the acoustic guitar like in the soundcheck-version, it still sounds even better. If a song sounds good just with a simple acoustic guitar and vocals, then it's a good song, because what you're left with is mostly just the melody. But about the studio version; I don't like the effect on Noels vocals, or the drum-pattern and how the drums sound to mention some drawbacks. I really like the "solo" played by the strings in the middle of the song though. I agree that it's not fair to put ALL the blame on Sardy. Not because of the quality of the songs, but mostly because I think the production of Sardy holds back the potential of many songs by Noel that could've been better with different production. I think that Noel has a say in the matter of production, some of the choices of production could've been choices Noel agreed on or even suggested. Still, a producer has to have some autonomy, if not, then why should he be bothered producing it? For example Noel wanted to have the choir on The Turning more audible, but Sardy said no. Now you can barely hear it. There are songs on the albums that could've been greater without Sardy in the main seat, and The Turning is one of them. Still, Sardy has done a great job on some tracks too. The Importance Of Being Idle and Broken Arrow for example. He also did a good job with Liams vocals on DOYS. But in general I think Sardy's production in the long run made oasis and NGHFB sound more safe and perhaps boring. There are also some unforgivable decisions such as the re-recording of the drums on NGHFB1. They may have sounded bad before they were re-recorded, but boy did they plod in the final version too. Sardy had nothing to do with TIOBI. Oasis did that themselves. It was one of the few songs that survived intact from the session they tried to produce themselves before they got Sardy in. Dave also had very little involvement with Lyla. Another tune Noel had 90% finished minus Liam and some over dubs. The two big singles off DBTT had almost zero Sardy impact. On the flip side, he over produced Let There Be Love. A track he pushed for to inçlude. |
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Post by jaq515 on Oct 20, 2014 13:08:46 GMT -5
Sardy had nothing to do with TIOBI. Oasis did that themselves. It was one of the few songs that survived intact from the session they tried to produce themselves before they got Sardy in. Dave also had very little involvement with Lyla. Another tune Noel had 90% finished minus Liam and some over dubs. The two big singles off DBTT had almost zero Sardy impact. On the flip side, he over produced Let There Be Love. A track he pushed for to inçlude. he also had literally no involvement on TSOTL either. As the aborted DIV and AA album show noel could pull the plug at any point |
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 20, 2014 14:40:53 GMT -5
Still, a producer has to have some autonomy, if not, then why should he be bothered producing it? For example Noel wanted to have the choir on The Turning more audible, but Sardy said no. Now you can barely hear it. There are songs on the albums that could've been greater without Sardy in the main seat, and The Turning is one of them. I rather prefer the way the choir is on The Turning than if the choir was like the one in EOTR, it would sound cheesy IMO. |
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Post by shoes222 on Oct 20, 2014 16:57:27 GMT -5
According to Noel on his radio interview, when Noel took Chasing Yesterday to Sardy and played each song to him...Sardy said "that's cool" after playing each track and was generally unenthused about it before saying he didn't want to produce it. So maybe Sardy doesn't think Noel's new album is any good?
Just speculation.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 20, 2014 17:06:36 GMT -5
According to Noel on his radio interview, when Noel took Chasing Yesterday to Sardy and played each song to him...Sardy said "that's cool" after playing each track and was generally unenthused about it before saying he didn't want to produce it. So maybe Sardy doesn't think Noel's new album is any good? Just speculation. Sardy is a savvy guy who reads things on the Internet. I'm sure he's came across comments made on this site about his producing between DBTT and HFB, mostly by me. It probably spooked him from embarking on any more projects with Noel for the foreseeable future. The way I see it, you should all be thanking me. Just kidding.  But not really!  |
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Oct 20, 2014 17:08:43 GMT -5
Every time Dave Sardy works on a new song an angel loses their wings.    |
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