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Post by spaneli on Oct 9, 2014 11:05:15 GMT -5
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Post by matt on Oct 9, 2014 11:12:54 GMT -5
It's a shame, I think the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame is a massive fad to be honest with you - it only inducts bands that made it big in the States, so I doubt The Smiths will make it onto the list. They still have a cult following in the US but not widespread appeal more associated in the UK.
Bands like Oasis and Blur would never get onto it, yet they'd top many British folk Hall of Fame wishlist.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 11:16:31 GMT -5
It's a shame, I think the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame is a massive fad to be honest with you - it only inducts bands that made it big in the States, so I doubt The Smiths will make it onto the list. They still have a cult following in the US but not widespread appeal more associated in the UK. Bands like Oasis and Blur would never get onto it, yet they'd top many British folk Hall of Fame wishlist. Agreed one million percent , we had this debate months go most disagreed with me , I said oasis won't make it into usa hall and not blur either ,I disagree with this obviously ,but look how long it took the smiths. To get on ballot , a band who in the 80 s made a bigger impact in usa than Oasis and blur ever did combined in the states, rock clubs played the smiths nightly , you never hear oasis or hardly anyway in usa clubs the smiths were what alt culture were about and trailblazed , , every alternate kid in the 80 s loved the smiths , dressed like them , and it's taken them thus long to get noticed , oasis have no shot. As I said last time hof came up
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Post by spaneli on Oct 9, 2014 11:32:24 GMT -5
It's a shame, I think the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame is a massive fad to be honest with you - it only inducts bands that made it big in the States, so I doubt The Smiths will make it onto the list. They still have a cult following in the US but not widespread appeal more associated in the UK. Bands like Oasis and Blur would never get onto it, yet they'd top many British folk Hall of Fame wishlist. I place the smiths chances of getting in at 30%. So, a decent outside shot. However, I will always disagree with oasis. Oasis' case is far more complex mainly because they had the commercial and critical success in the states that blur and the smiths never had. The smiths never had a wonder wall or champagne supernova or a WTSMG and didn't fill arenas in the US. Nor did blur. It's what always differentiates oasis from blur or the smiths. Oasis' case is actually and probably more akin to the cure than anything else. And the cure at some point will get in.
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Post by John Henry Holliday on Oct 9, 2014 12:46:01 GMT -5
Lou Reed and Stevie Ray Vaughan should already be in.
God bless.
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Post by Manualex on Oct 9, 2014 13:01:03 GMT -5
I hope this really isn't because Moz has cancer, their music should speak alone.
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Post by matt on Oct 9, 2014 14:16:42 GMT -5
I hope this really isn't because Moz has cancer, their music should speak alone. That would just be pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 14:27:11 GMT -5
It's a shame, I think the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame is a massive fad to be honest with you - it only inducts bands that made it big in the States, so I doubt The Smiths will make it onto the list. They still have a cult following in the US but not widespread appeal more associated in the UK. Bands like Oasis and Blur would never get onto it, yet they'd top many British folk Hall of Fame wishlist. I place the smiths chances of getting in at 30%. So, a decent outside shot. However, I will always disagree with oasis. Oasis' case is far more complex mainly because they had the commercial and critical success in the states that blur and the smiths never had. The smiths never had a wonder wall or champagne supernova or a WTSMG and didn't fill arenas in the US. Nor did blur. It's what always differentiates oasis from blur or the smiths. Oasis' case is actually and probably more akin to the cure than anything else. And the cure at some point will get in. Very good point. And trust me I hope your correct, if they do make it based on WONDERWALL it will take longer than the smiths imo. Trust me I hope im im wrong One minor disagreement , blur song 2 is plsyed in way more bars both in NYC and down here it's. a staple , more so than any oasis tune including WONDERWALL. Tne kids love it
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Oct 9, 2014 14:38:14 GMT -5
If they won't put Yes/Dream Theater in (latter being eligible next year), no faith in it.
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Post by spaneli on Oct 9, 2014 15:42:53 GMT -5
I place the smiths chances of getting in at 30%. So, a decent outside shot. However, I will always disagree with oasis. Oasis' case is far more complex mainly because they had the commercial and critical success in the states that blur and the smiths never had. The smiths never had a wonder wall or champagne supernova or a WTSMG and didn't fill arenas in the US. Nor did blur. It's what always differentiates oasis from blur or the smiths. Oasis' case is actually and probably more akin to the cure than anything else. And the cure at some point will get in. Very good point. And trust me I hope your correct, if they do make it based on WONDERWALL it will take longer than the smiths imo. Trust me I hope im im wrong One minor disagreement , blur song 2 is plsyed in way more bars both in NYC and down here it's. a staple , more so than any oasis tune including WONDERWALL. Tne kids love it Yea, but there's not much name recognition that goes to blur here in the states with that song. It's not as linked to their name as with Oasis. Like if I ask someone if they know oasis they'll say no at first. But I mention wonderwall then it's ohhhhh. A bit different for blur. When ever I've asked someone if they know blur then I get a puzzled look. If I say Song 2 then there still remains puzzled lol. It's not until you say, "the wooo hoo" song that people are like, ohhhh. Besides, blur never had an album in the states that had as much impact as WTSMG. Actually, I think it will take Oasis about 5 years being on the ballot to make it in (the Smiths) are on their 6th year of eligibility. I think for the criteria that the RnR HOF makes for induction, Oasis fits better. Though the Smiths have had the better career critically, they don't fit into what the RnR HOF searches for unfortunately, so stateside success, along with overall album sales, influence, and critical acclaim (they only 2/4, while Oasis has 4/4). I'm still really pulling for the Smiths, just because they're an amazing band (queen is dead is my favorite album of the 80's) and they're a domino band for Oasis. If they go in then the case will be much easier for Oasis. Much easier. But as I said, I think the smiths only have an outside shot. If they make it in the appeal will be because the timing seems right, with Morrissey having health issues and the glimmer of a chance for a reunion at the RnR HOF. Which would be a big get for the HOF. The HOF revels in the idea of being the institution that brings bands back together like Cream and the Talking Heads (the best comparison and case for the Smiths to be in.) Along with their music, influence, and critical acclaim. Two things, the above listed, that Cure and the Replacements didn't have going for them, but overall, timing. The Smiths for once have that on their side.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2014 15:53:46 GMT -5
I hope your right spaneli. , if the vote is like baseball though tney make a issue as tjey pissed off many a writer and radio stations and promoters , hall of fame are like popularity tests in sports , Does the same apply in music ? Or is it a vote by musicians ? I have no idea I don't follow it , if it's a vote by musicians they should be ok , but if it's a vote by writers , promoters ect ect , they may have a issue ..imo. I still can't believe DiMaggio didn't get in on first ballot. Politics blows
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Post by mkoasis on Oct 9, 2014 21:17:03 GMT -5
Didn't they try to induct Britney Spears into some Rock HOF? (not this one,but another) I wouldn't want to be in the hall of fame that boasts her as a winner.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 13, 2014 12:25:14 GMT -5
About fucking time. Shameful it's taken this long.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 13, 2014 12:28:55 GMT -5
Am I really delusional in thinking Oasis will make it straight in?
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Post by Manualex on Oct 13, 2014 12:31:59 GMT -5
Yes, it will take time. Wich leads us to... who are the class of 1994?
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Post by Cast on Oct 14, 2014 13:12:02 GMT -5
The Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame is a complete joke that it shouldn't even be discussed when talking about rock n' roll. It's like the least rock n' roll institution ever. It is a big cash grab from the industry. The inductions are like self pats on the back for the record companies.
The hall of fame mainly focuses the "fame" part. Which is a shame. It is really another honor useless honor to big league performers. Some of the inductees are nice gestures and well deserved. Shout outs to the backing bands and studio musicians but yet again the Hall neglects groups like The Funk Brothers, who played on more number one hits than Elvis, the Beach Boys, The Beatles, and the Rolling Stones combined.
Naturally the institution ignores smaller artists who have made huge contributions. Just look at all the bands that haven't gotten in or haven't even been mentioned to get it. Influence and artistry is more powerful the units sold in my opinion but it is the Hall of Fame. Like the Grammies, keep in mind that rarely do these institutions get it right especially with a genre like rock n' roll.
I mean come on its The Smiths for crying out loud. You don't just ignore them because they are "too British" or because they didn't crack America. The Smiths are one of the best and most influential bands of all time. They aren't my favorite band ever but they are brilliant. You don't talk about music in the 80's without mentioning The Smiths. Just like you can't talk about 90's rock n' roll without bringing up Oasis. I'm afraid a mediocre grunge band will get in before Oasis because of the Hall's American bias.
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Post by mimmihopps on Oct 14, 2014 13:19:21 GMT -5
Don't think both Moz and Johnny (and maybe Andy Rourke and Mike Joyce too) are ever bothered about it.
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