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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Sept 27, 2014 10:47:45 GMT -5
If there are, it's not obvious and unconscious of course and i can't tell where it's at exactly but i swear i do smell Nirvana vibe sometimes in some early tunes, Champagne Supernova for instance. Maybe it's just the post grunge 90's feel, maybe a bit Liam's voice and i'm probably alone hearing it, but. Am i alone ?
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Sept 27, 2014 11:02:44 GMT -5
Well not Nirvana per se, but a lot of the earlier songs were a bit rougher and rockier
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Post by Ash & Debris on Sept 27, 2014 12:28:39 GMT -5
Thankfully no.
Nirvana is one the most overrated bands in history.
And I say that as someone who loves grunge, Nirvana isn't even grunge, their music sound nothing like the actual grunge bands of early 90s like Alice In Chains & Soundgarden (who are great).
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Sept 27, 2014 13:26:56 GMT -5
Thankfully no. Nirvana is one the most overrated bands in history. And I say that as someone who loves grunge, Nirvana isn't even grunge, their music sound nothing like the actual grunge bands of early 90s like Alice In Chains & Soundgarden (who are great). Me opposite. Alice In Chains, Soundgarden are a good bands but to me Nirvana was something extra. You can hear Beatles influences in it, Beach Boys and all, it's musically more interesting and mature than most of Soundgarden songs. Come on, Kurt Cobain was Beatles freak, to me Lennon, Cobain, Liam are just like evolution steps, but i know most of people don't know what the fuck i'm on about when i'm saying that, i know.
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Post by LlAM on Sept 27, 2014 13:58:32 GMT -5
Married With Children <=> Lithium Wonderwall <=> Smells Like Teen Spirit
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Sept 27, 2014 15:56:32 GMT -5
Married With Children <=> Lithium Wonderwall <=> Smells Like Teen Spirit Married With Children and Lithium obvious but Wonderwall ? How is it similar to Smells Like Teen Spirit ? I'll be shocked if you show me one second where it's actually is
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 16:18:11 GMT -5
No way no how imo ,,Oasis were the answer to anti grunge , not ashamed to be rock stars. Like Cobain and vedder , didn't sing about death , but celebrated partying , they wanted to live forever not , have lithium , thery don't sound alike. Thankfully , oasis embodied all that grunge hated , and they so DONT sound grunge m that's the reason they caught fire , people that loved them were sick of guitar driven angst , they embraced the spit in your face and just party. Sound that oasis brought table , never once did I ever compare them to grunge , it's like comparing punk to hard rock , it may be rock but it ain't alike
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Post by Rain on Sept 27, 2014 17:02:24 GMT -5
Noel said Definitely Maybe was influenced by Nirvana and Nervermind album to certain extent. Noel admitted being a fan of Nirvana and Kurt's work, but Liam and rest of the band according to Noel are stuck in 1968 still. For majority of Oasis fans saying Oasis had no influence by Nirvana is quite arrogant comment. Of course they were! Any up and coming band will listen other bands around. Young bands are competitive. Oasis didn't come out the shoe box of 1994, but started 1991. Nirvana was everywhere by later half of 1991. Nirvana time burnt out after Kurt's death and Oasis star was born in 1994. Kurt and Noel are both born in 1967. I'm sure Noel thought if Kurt (who were the same age) wrote that I can write better in his mind. Columbia, Bring it on Down,Cigarettes & Alcohol, Fade Away are influenced. Take Teen Spirit drumming in the beginning and Supersonic drumming in the beginning both are the main start of both bands debut national singles.
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Post by Ash & Debris on Sept 27, 2014 17:12:44 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher is an all-time master of crafting melodies. Kurt Cobain wouldn't know melody if he got punched in the face with it.
They both might've been influenced (obsessed?) by The Beatles but it reflected on their music very differently.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Sept 27, 2014 17:15:55 GMT -5
Noel said Definitely Maybe was influenced by Nirvana and Nervermind album to certain extent. Noel admitted being a fan of Nirvana and Kurt's work, but Liam and rest of the band according to Noel are stuck in 1968 still. For majority of Oasis fans saying Oasis had no influence by Nirvana is quite arrogant comment. Of course they were! Any up and coming band will listen other bands around. Young bands are competitive. Oasis didn't come out the shoe box of 1994, but started 1991. Nirvana was everywhere by later half of 1991. Nirvana time burnt out after Kurt's death and Oasis star was born in 1994. Kurt and Noel are both born in 1967. I'm sure Noel thought if Kurt (who were the same age) wrote that I can write better in his mind. Columbia, Bring it on Down,Cigarettes & Alcohol, Fade Away are influenced. Take Teen Spirit drumming in the beginning and Supersonic drumming in the beginning both are the main start of both bands debut national singles. You know what i'm talking about. Of course the attitude was the opposite, but sometimes you can hear that Noel heard Nirvana more than once in his life.
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Post by matt on Sept 27, 2014 17:19:02 GMT -5
Always wondered what Nirvana would have progressed to if Cobain was still alive.
Michael Stipe said he'd been influenced by REM (was listening to Automatic For The People when he committed suicide) and that the next Nirvana album would have been stripped back and more acoustic. But beyond that? Who knows.
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Post by Cast on Sept 27, 2014 17:31:17 GMT -5
The most grungy sounding Oasis stuff was on DOYS. Did a couple songs in drop d, the guitars got a little muddier, the drums pounded a little harder.
To be honest I'm not really a huge fan of Nirvana. I don't even listen to them anymore and haven't in years. They're a great band don't get me wrong, but they weren't saviors of rock n' roll like so many critic proclaim them to be (cough Rolling Stone). Hell they weren't even the best American band in the 90's. That honor would go to Pavement.
Kurt and Noel are both Beatles freaks and have a great sense of melody but like kalas said I prefer the way Oasis performed those melodies within the context of their songs. Kurt's songs are filled with angst, frustration, and despair. I can see why it appealed to a lot of people but I'll always prefer Pavement's slacker Gen-X vibes to the frustrated ones that Kurt put out. On the other hand Noel's songs are filled with hope and a touch of melancholy.
I think Noel and Kurt are similar in a lot of ways personality wise and musically. They both experienced the same emotions when they wrote their songs but they choose different ways of expressing themselves within these emotions. Kurt dug deeper into his emotional angst while Noel sought to dig himself out of it.
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Post by Rain on Sept 27, 2014 17:33:21 GMT -5
Always wondered what Nirvana would have progressed to if Cobain was still alive. Michael Stipe said he'd been influenced by REM (was listening to Automatic For The People when he committed suicide) and that the next Nirvana album would have been stripped back and more acoustic. But beyond that? Who knows. The last Nirvana album was in the works was actually was going to have a few Dave's songs on it. Most those songs ended up on Foo Fighters debut album. Nirvana planned to be completed after the album was released. However, no tour was talked for their up and coming album. Kurt was going move to East Coast after his divorce. Him and Michael Stipe planned to work on album together. The whole rumored of Hole's Kristen Pfaff and Kurt's romance is unknown. Both died months apart of each other of the same age. Overall, who knows Nirvana would be if continued.
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Post by asimarx on Sept 27, 2014 17:59:29 GMT -5
Kurt Cobain wouldn't know melody if he got punched in the face with it. They both might've been influenced (obsessed?) by The Beatles but it reflected on their music very differently. Actually he wrote melodies that punched you in the face. That's the the main reason Nirvana and especially Nevermind became such a worldwide phenomenon, take the half-baked, mediocre teenage angst lyrics he wrote aside. Come to think of it, that's probably the same pattern that Oasis used to halfway crack America in the nineties. No, really. You just can't sell ~20 million records worldwide, whatever digital age you're in, without persuasive melodies and the right grasp for youth culture. As dumb and thankful as this youth culture might be. To answer the original topic question. No, I honestly don't think Nirvana or Grunge in general had any sort of influence on Noel's songwriting whatsoever. Except for the fact that typical Grunge bands (who are they anyway? Nirvana? Mudhoney? Soundgarden? Even Pearl Jam? And where did it end? Weezer?? Oasis? ) are arming themselves with the same integrative, standarsised rock equipment every band since about Bill Haley and the Comets used. A more or less distorted guitar combined with bass and drums and some and some more or less revolutionary lyrics. I think however, Grunge did have an direct effect on later british guitar bands. Admittedly, they're all horrible. The likes of The Subways etc. The Britpop wave of the nineties seems to have had a deeper impact on America, than vice versa. So, I've just listened to the early acoustic Hello demo for the first time and if you'd wanna enforce it, in some way it kinda reminds you of About A Girl. Then again, not really...
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Post by Jailbird on Sept 27, 2014 18:15:41 GMT -5
I'm quite sad we didn't get the Stipe collaboration album.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 18:41:59 GMT -5
Just listened to Columbia , and early oasis , not critisizing anyone here but man I think U are nuts I don't hear nirvana in there Drums , guitars, melodies , what a reach imo , but hey thats what makes. Horse racing ,
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2014 18:48:51 GMT -5
At a stretch, Bring It On Down, cos of the distorted wall of guitars and the chorus being about being alienated
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Post by WonderWalrus on Sept 27, 2014 18:51:25 GMT -5
I'm on a plain.... i can't complain - Nirvana 'On a plain' 1993
Sleeping on a plane you know you can't complain - Oasis 'Talk Tonight' 1995
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Post by mkoasis on Sept 27, 2014 19:56:45 GMT -5
Generally speaking, DM maybe would not have sounded so loud (like an airplane taking off, Noel says) if it weren't for Nevermind.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Sept 27, 2014 20:05:07 GMT -5
Pearl Jam out lasted them all. Amazing. Still the same lineup outside the drummer but even Matt has been with the band for 14 years now. Going to a PJ is like a celebration of rock n roll. I wish they'd come back to the NYC area soon.
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Post by Headmaster on Sept 27, 2014 20:42:56 GMT -5
The only song I can think which sounds like Nirvana is Headshrinker, I even can imagine Kurt singing it.
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Post by Rain on Sept 27, 2014 21:04:41 GMT -5
Generally speaking, DM maybe would not have sounded so loud (like an airplane taking off, Noel says) if it weren't for Nevermind. Oasis should had one butch Vig produce album.
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Post by shock on Sept 27, 2014 22:51:41 GMT -5
Generally speaking, DM maybe would not have sounded so loud (like an airplane taking off, Noel says) if it weren't for Nevermind. Oasis should had one butch Vig produce album. I would pay to hear that.
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Post by KRRRRRRR on Sept 28, 2014 1:39:42 GMT -5
Kurt Cobain wouldn't know melody if he got punched in the face with it. Proving you know absolutely nothing about melody lol Its one thing not to like something but to state something so patently false and ridiculous makes you look like a big fucking idiot. I don't like Michael Jackson, but am I going to state something as ludicrous that he didn't know a hook or a melody, no. The entire Nevermind album is basically a pop album full of hooks and MELODIES with the feedback and overdrive turned to 11. Take a song like Lithium and/or Smells Like Teen Spirit and they can be interpreted in any number of ways and styles because of how strong (get this) the MELODIES are. Hell, the entire album bar Territorial Pissings was written and composed as a pop album. As for the OP question, no. Noel has stated many times he liked Nirvana, but there's really no direct influence on Oasis' music beyond basic chord structures.
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Post by zigzag on Sept 28, 2014 2:36:26 GMT -5
Kurt Cobain wouldn't know melody if he got punched in the face with it. Proving you know absolutely nothing about melody lol Its one thing not to like something but to state something so patently false and ridiculous makes you look like a big fucking idiot. I don't like Michael Jackson, but am I going to state something as ludicrous that he didn't know a hook or a melody, no. The entire Nevermind album is basically a pop album full of hooks and MELODIES with the feedback and overdrive turned to 11. Take a song like Lithium and/or Smells Like Teen Spirit and they can be interpreted in any number of ways and styles because of how strong (get this) the MELODIES are. Hell, the entire album bar Territorial Pissings was written and composed as a pop album. As for the OP question, no. Noel has stated many times he liked Nirvana, but there's really no direct influence on Oasis' music beyond basic chord structures. Thank you for this post! I have to diasagree in one aspect only. Even Territoral Pissings is a melodic pop song. Proof? Check this stripped down cover song: Oasis and Nirvana have nothing in common apart the fact that they use electric guitars, melodic songs and had been mega acts in the early/mid 90ies. If the aspect that Nirvana had success before Oasis is enough to talk of an influence than Oasis are heavily influenced by any other band which matches the mentioned criteria. Therefore the main influence of Oasis of course is Guns N' Roses ... that's obvious ;-) At least this is the reason why Liam dedicated Rock n Roll star to Axl in Rock in Rio 2001. He wanted to show nothing but respect to Axl and thank him for making Oasis' sound possible. At least Noel wrote "Stop crying your heart out" as a tribute to GNR and since the girl won't listen to GNR who said to her "Don't Cry" years before. That's for sure ;-)
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