that is fuckin horrible....but in no way do they represent the band

people are like that no matter what band they like....as we all know, racism exist in football (soccer), does that mean non-racists shouldnt watch it?

If Noel or Liam said anything like that, then i would be shocked and that would be a completly different story, but even then - they are about MUSIC

some people are anti war - should pro war people hate them?
some people are pro war should anti war people hate them?

NO. those people on that forum are entilted to their opinions. if they hate black people, that's their choice -- it's not a crime. its sick, disturbing, and the ppl are prob poorly educated and prob live shallow lives -- but they are the ones that suffer, YOU shouldnt suffer by not listening to Oasis bc of those ass holes

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Noel & Liam don't even know how to use a computer and band management is probably only slightly involved in what goes on even on at 'official' web sites. Hell if official sites let people that HATE Oasis come on and say anything they want, then why would they monitor what ignorant kids say about Prince?

So now you don't support Oasis?

See ya.

The band probably don't even know they have a website, let alone a bunch of shit heads ruining it. My 2 cents? It's the internet, and you're always going to run into a bunch of idiots, one place or another. That's why you gotta choose were you go carefully.

I quit those forums long ago, no one there was really nice or helpful, as far as I can remember. I guarantee, you will find a bunch of good people here.

I hate it when people attack Charles, hes marrying Camila, get over it

Football=Soccer so yeah...Come on Mimmi! Its one of the few sports where fans feel freely about shouting racist remarks at the players.

www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/worldcup/2006-06-01-intolerance-cup_x.htm

Italian society generally has a big problem with fascism/racism generally. Forza Italia were all about that, and if you look at Italian leaders over the decades then one can see a tendency towards the right. The racist behaviour that blights clubs like Lazio (especially Lazio, in fact), Juventus et al is symptomatic of a SOCIAL problem in ITALY. It has *nothing* to do with a racist problem in football whatsoever. This requires emphasis because it's important. Thirty years ago, in the '70s, football all across the continent was awash with racism I agree. There are terrible stories of the abuse in England of black players in the late 1970s and early 1980s, for example - the abuse the 'Three Degrees' at West Brom and John Barnes at Watford then Liverpool suffered is a good example of this.

However, today it is different. Very different. Racist behaviour is not tolerated in football stadia in England at least (being English I can't comment about elsewhere on the continent, but I think, with a few exceptions (Real Madrid, Espanyol and Feyenoord, three traditionally fascist clubs, are 3 sad examples that spring to mind) that abroad it has largely disappeared too). Today football is a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic game that is played in the UK by all walks of life, and in every way reflects the multicultural society in which we live. Even clubs previously notorious for their racist fans, like Millwall, Chelsea and West Ham for example, have undertaken much good work to 'clean up' their images, banning the worst offenders and adopting a 'zerio-tolerance' attitude towards racism in their stadia. This is in conjunction with a more widespread crackdown on football hooliganism and racism over the last fifteen years. The government-sponsored 'Kick Racism out of Football' campaign (www.kickitout.org) is the highest-profile, but by no means the only, example of the determination over the last 15 years to tackle the problem at a national level. Certainly at my club (Stockport County, since you ask - go look them up ;-) ), the leaders of our 'firm', formally one of the biggest in the country, all have life bans from County. Edgeley Park (our ground...) today is a very family-friendly place, and certainly a far cry from what it was in the 1970s, when fights between rival sets of fans were a routine occurance every week. Similarly, as a supporter who follows their team away on a regular basis, I have never once seen evidence of either racism or a fight going on. Note, this is in the lower leagues, so 'away from the spotlight' as it were, where traditionally violence was more prevelant in the bad old days. Interestingly enough, these same fans that you castigate as boorish scumbags (so that must make me a boorish illiterate scumbag too then, yeah? ) are now starting to take over football clubs themselves via Supporters' Trusts (www.supporters-direct.org.uk and www.stockportcountytrust.com for more info). Amazing what you can find out when you get beyond the prejudices and actually go and investigate what's out there, isn't it?

You're always going to get a few idiots, and dare I say that certain messageboards, the official Oasis one seemingly one of them, do seem to attract the worst dregs of society in many cases, but what I would say is that before you prejudge football, why don't you take yourself off and actually see a game and decide for yourself? I can't talk about basketball or baseball, for example, because I've never seen either of these sports except on TV. Personally, I find it helpful to take people/things as you find them, and I find it just slightly strange that you can have such a damning opinion on football without actually having gone to see a game. If you had gone to see a game, I am pretty sure you wouldn't have such sweeping and damning views of football fans which, even being extremely generous, are a good 15 years out of date.

No, no, no - you're missing the point of what I'm trying to say!

What I'm saying is fundamentally the point that the article is trying to make - ie. that racism in places like East Germany, Poland and the former Yugoslavia is the result of an anti-immigration movement that is in itself the result of economic depression/troubles in all these countries. Other countries, like Belgium, Holland, France and Spain have an unfortunate right-wing political culture. Therefore it goes back to what I was sayign before - racism is a SOCIAL problem, not a FOOTBALL one. *That* was the point I was trying to make.

The reason I harped on at great length about English football is because in all probability (not that I read the Oasisinet forum so please tell me if I'm wrong on this score?) many if not most of the posters on there will be English/British because Oasis is an English band. There is, of course, the additional reason that I know the most about English football so it's easiest for me to talk about it. I thought the link you made between Oasis cyber-warriors and football fans was misguided and erronious, and so therefore I tried to demonstrate that such a connection does not, in fact, exist. There are problems on the continent with regards to racism, but as I said before, whilst these are manifested at, amongst other things, football games, it would be wrong to suggest that football is the root cause of these problems that make people hold the disgusting racist views they do. Going back to Oasis therefore, if we assume that most of the posters on Oasisinet are English, the fact a lot of them are apparently football fans has nothing to do with their racism. Racism in football in England is, I'm happy to say, virtually non-existent. Corey Gibbs has in fact recently signed for Charlton Athletic in England, so it'll be interesting to see if he has any problems with racism here. I personally don't think he will, and if he does I will be very surprised and upset.

Of course the issues raised in the article aren't 'imagined', but the root cause of them has nothing whatsoever to do with football. To suggest it does is at best failing to address the issue and at worst entirely missing what the problems in these countries are fundamentally all about.

Maybe they had bought Emancipation or New Power Soul, that would piss me off too

Unlike America

Also,I think Noel and Liam are a little left wingered due to their background...
So I dont think racism has any connection with Oasis.

And now Italy has a comparatively left wingered President.Every thing will get better

The official site has gone down hill - ever since the end of the orange era!

Hello to everyone on here anyway - i registered back in 2003 and have decided to finally post - after being persuaded by a certain someone (they know who they are)!