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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 17:27:33 GMT -5
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696366/It-looks-like-terrible-tragedy-Obama-briefly-addresses-Malaysian-plane-crash-emerges-23-U-S-passengers-board.htmlYou've got to be kidding me. Now I know what it's like to have lived under Carter. The shot down Malaysian passenger jet transcends a "tragedy", Obama. Whether that specific plane was the intended target is moot, either way there are severe ramifications from an international relations perspective. This could get ugly. And let's stop parsing words, Mr. President - another terrorist act surely brings conclusion to your described "Over-Seas Contingency Plans," and resumes the "War on Terror" which our enemies have continued to wage in lieu of the US' refusal to actively participate. Your predecessor has some useful notes on the subject, please read them. since you know it all, what should obama be doing now about an incident that the full facts are unknown?
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 18, 2014 17:35:12 GMT -5
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696366/It-looks-like-terrible-tragedy-Obama-briefly-addresses-Malaysian-plane-crash-emerges-23-U-S-passengers-board.htmlYou've got to be kidding me. Now I know what it's like to have lived under Carter. The shot down Malaysian passenger jet transcends a "tragedy", Obama. Whether that specific plane was the intended target is moot, either way there are severe ramifications from an international relations perspective. This could get ugly. And let's stop parsing words, Mr. President - another terrorist act surely brings conclusion to your described "Over-Seas Contingency Plans," and resumes the "War on Terror" which our enemies have continued to wage in lieu of the US' refusal to actively participate. Your predecessor has some useful notes on the subject, please read them. since you know it all, what should obama be doing now about an incident that the full facts are unknown? David Cameron handled it fine. Also, making jokes 40 seconds after mentioning the "tragedy" is in as much as poor taste as drinking beer and playing pool while there's an influx of illegal immigrants crossing our no-longer secured borders, which is a thousand times worse than Bush's non-existent photo op during Katrina (which merely looked like bad PR, whereas there's actual policy decisions at hand for Obama here (the issue regarding Katrina centered on both the Mayor and the Governor. Bush couldn't do anything, it was literally out of his jurisdiction. Although he did botch it very badly from a PR perspective)). And you thought Bush reading for 30 additional seconds in a Florida classroom on 9/11 was bad. (It actually wasn't. But that's another story. By the by, in 2010 I actually met, listened to, and conversed with Andy Card - Bush's chief of staff, who leaned into Bush's ear in that Florida classroom. Fascinating experience). Obama, in one word, is: Aloof. In one more additional word, he is also: Incompetent.
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Post by globe on Jul 18, 2014 17:36:15 GMT -5
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2696366/It-looks-like-terrible-tragedy-Obama-briefly-addresses-Malaysian-plane-crash-emerges-23-U-S-passengers-board.htmlYou've got to be kidding me. Now I know what it's like to have lived under Carter. The shot down Malaysian passenger jet transcends a "tragedy", Obama. Whether that specific plane was the intended target is moot, either way there are severe ramifications from an international relations perspective. This could get ugly. And let's stop parsing words, Mr. President - another terrorist act surely brings conclusion to your described "Over-Seas Contingency Plans," and resumes the "War on Terror" which our enemies have continued to wage in lieu of the US' refusal to actively participate. Your predecessor has some useful notes on the subject, please read them. since you know it all, what should obama be doing now about an incident that the full facts are unknown? He's probably looking for him to start dropping bombs on some more innocent people, you know, to send a message.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 17:39:56 GMT -5
since you know it all, what should obama be doing now about an incident that the full facts are unknown? David Cameron handled it fine. Also, making jokes 40 seconds after mentioning the "tragedy" is in as much as poor taste as drinking beer and playing pool while there's an influx of illegal immigrants crossing our no-longer secured borders, which is a thousand times worse than Bush's non-existent photo op during Katrina (which merely looked like bad PR, whereas there's actual policy decisions at hand for Obama here (the issue regarding Katrina centered on both the Mayor and the Governor. Bush couldn't do anything, it was literally out of his jurisdiction. Although he did botch it very badly from a PR perspective)). Obama, in one word, is: Aloof. In one more additional word, he is also: Incompetent. How long a gap is appropriate? What have immigrants got to do with this incident?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 17:45:03 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 18, 2014 17:45:35 GMT -5
David Cameron handled it fine. Also, making jokes 40 seconds after mentioning the "tragedy" is in as much as poor taste as drinking beer and playing pool while there's an influx of illegal immigrants crossing our no-longer secured borders, which is a thousand times worse than Bush's non-existent photo op during Katrina (which merely looked like bad PR, whereas there's actual policy decisions at hand for Obama here (the issue regarding Katrina centered on both the Mayor and the Governor. Bush couldn't do anything, it was literally out of his jurisdiction. Although he did botch it very badly from a PR perspective)). Obama, in one word, is: Aloof. In one more additional word, he is also: Incompetent. How long a gap is appropriate? What have immigrants got to do with this incident? Indefinietly. Bush stopped golfing once Afghanistan/Iraq Wars were underway in a show of respect. And if you look at Bush's post-presidency, he has remained humble and dignified. You can hate his policies all you want, but GWB is a well intentioned and rather selfless individual. [Also, 9/11 changed his presidency - he campaigned on domestic policy agenda, and wanted to be humble abroad. IT WAS AL GORE WHO WAS CHAMPIONING NATION BUILDING AT THAT TIME (YEAR 2000)!!!!! Ergo, even if Gore was President, the following wars would have been conducted. That's not to say the result of either war wouldn't have been different, for better OR for worse, but that goes beyond the scope of extrapolation].
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Post by spaneli on Jul 18, 2014 18:29:10 GMT -5
My young son I admire your essay ...which is your forte ....... But you are Fucking clueless cause u weren't there ....REAGAN HAD A MYSTIQUE WHEN REAGAN WAS AT YOUR BELOVED CHICAGO CUB GAME AND SAID MR PRESIDENT ...THE MISSLES ARE IN THE AIR ..GORBACHAV SHIT IN HIS PANTS ..... THE MAN RESTORED DIG ITY AND RESPECT TO THE USA ..BUT U JUST READ THE BOOKS .,,U WERE NOT THERE ..... HARREY CARRY ..REAGAN ..IT WAS BRILLIANT ... IT SPOOKEC GORBACHAV ..AND ITS IN HIS MEMOIRS You can say you lived it, but honestly that doesn't mean shit. I'm sorry, but were you in the White House kalas? Were you in Russia at the time? Were you conducting interviews with everyone? I mean since you lived through it, please enlightenment me on the state of everyone who lived through it. The only ignorance is to believe you have a hold on the "truth" because you lived through something. I believe the the poor person or minority who struggled under Reagan has just as much truth behind them as you do. I believe any person has just as much truth as you do, whether they lived through it or not. So no, this won't be an essay. But at least I don't give myself grand authority because my birth year happen to be at one point in history. That's being clueless.
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Post by Rain on Jul 18, 2014 18:30:49 GMT -5
I would say Obama has most disappointed me with the NSA spying and Drones. I agree with RainHowever, I would completely disagree with kalas on the belief that somehow Reagan had the magic key to Russia. Reagan did nothing policy wise that previous presidents since Eisenhower had done. He may have had the sound bites, but just as Clinton was lucky to have the economy of the 90's (where I would say he did nothing different than H.W. Bush) he benefited from the work his predecessors. The Berlin wall didn't call because Reagan said tear down this wall, it fell because the Russia was weakened economically through years of hard sanctions and policy making (nothing that Obama is doing differently I might add). The plain fact of the matter, is that American foreign policy has barely changed since Eisenhower left office. The same edicts and many of the same programs are still run, though under different names. Presidents may change small details such as how much to give one nation in aid or arms, but the large foreign policy picture has barely changed; whether it's Reagan, LBJ, Carter, H.W. Bush, George Bush, or Obama. It's the same letter head different name. Next, travel to inner city neighborhood and find how many people love Reagan there. You know, the places that fell behind under his policies and still haven't recovered, like cutting public housing. Most minorities to do not love Reagan. While there was a widening of the economic gap during Carter because of a poor economy, there was a far larger widening because of economic policies that inhibited the poor and minorities. But you know, Reagan was so beloved. Lastly, to say that the "only" reason the MTV generation voted for Obama is because of the color of his skin is b.s. and it ignores the contours of when he ran. He was elected because he ran against against a candidate who seemed to old to serve and sometimes too soft to lead in McCain. He won because his main challengers in the primary were a young Senator in Edwards who was too left wing to win and a candidate in Clinton was too out of touch with the middle class and had voted for the Iraq war. He won because he was an eloquent speaker, not something gotten because of the color of his skin. He won because he had not voted for the Iraq war. He was re-elected because he ran against a former Governor who never provided a plan. And he won re-election because while the economy tumbled under Carter to it's lowest levels since the depression, Obama could fall back on the fact that the economy had already begun to tumble before he came into office and had recovered enough by the time he ran again, while dealing with a Congress that had its lowest approval ratings in its history. Those things having nothing to do with the color of his skin. Don't forget FDR... The foreign policy has changed since Eisenhower. Seattle WTO protest in 1999. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTO_Ministerial_Conference_of_1999en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Seattle_WTO_protestsThe US imports more stuff from China since then. China is highest offender of environment to the world and highest offender of work labor related practices. This protest and Occupy Wall Street only last 2 protest against world trade and corporate greed in US in last 15 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 18:40:36 GMT -5
My young son I admire your essay ...which is your forte ....... But you are Fucking clueless cause u weren't there ....REAGAN HAD A MYSTIQUE WHEN REAGAN WAS AT YOUR BELOVED CHICAGO CUB GAME AND SAID MR PRESIDENT ...THE MISSLES ARE IN THE AIR ..GORBACHAV SHIT IN HIS PANTS ..... THE MAN RESTORED DIG ITY AND RESPECT TO THE USA ..BUT U JUST READ THE BOOKS .,,U WERE NOT THERE ..... HARREY CARRY ..REAGAN ..IT WAS BRILLIANT ... IT SPOOKEC GORBACHAV ..AND ITS IN HIS MEMOIRS You can say you lived it, but honestly that doesn't mean shit. I'm sorry, but were you in the White House kalas? Were you in Russia at the time? Were you conducting interviews with everyone? I mean since you lived through it, please enlightenment me on the state of everyone who lived through it. The only ignorance is to believe you have a hold on the "truth" because you lived through something. I believe the the poor person or minority who struggled under Reagan has just as much truth behind them as you do. I believe any person has just as much truth as you do, whether they lived through it or not. So no, this won't be an essay. But at least I don't give myself grand authority because my birth year happen to be at one point in history. That's being clueless. No but I know my facts ... You read books ......difference
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 18:44:04 GMT -5
You can say you lived it, but honestly that doesn't mean shit. I'm sorry, but were you in the White House kalas? Were you in Russia at the time? Were you conducting interviews with everyone? I mean since you lived through it, please enlightenment me on the state of everyone who lived through it. The only ignorance is to believe you have a hold on the "truth" because you lived through something. I believe the the poor person or minority who struggled under Reagan has just as much truth behind them as you do. I believe any person has just as much truth as you do, whether they lived through it or not. So no, this won't be an essay. But at least I don't give myself grand authority because my birth year happen to be at one point in history. That's being clueless. No but I know my facts ... You read books ......difference not if the books are factually accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 18:45:14 GMT -5
No but I know my facts ... You read books ......difference not if the books are factually accurate. I disagree ross ..I know you know your stuff ..but that's wrong
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Post by spaneli on Jul 18, 2014 19:06:25 GMT -5
You can say you lived it, but honestly that doesn't mean shit. I'm sorry, but were you in the White House kalas? Were you in Russia at the time? Were you conducting interviews with everyone? I mean since you lived through it, please enlightenment me on the state of everyone who lived through it. The only ignorance is to believe you have a hold on the "truth" because you lived through something. I believe the the poor person or minority who struggled under Reagan has just as much truth behind them as you do. I believe any person has just as much truth as you do, whether they lived through it or not. So no, this won't be an essay. But at least I don't give myself grand authority because my birth year happen to be at one point in history. That's being clueless. No but I know my facts ... You read books ......difference Well, thank you for summing up my life. I mean, you know, I've only lived in my books my entire life. Tell me Kalas, what does the sunshine look like? What really happened during 9/11? Because I was in a book when it happened. People aren't accurate. There were 710 people saved from the Titanic, yet not one of them told the exact same story. Not one of them had the exact same facts of the moment. But I'm sure if you were there then everything would have been quite alright. Books aren't infallible and nor are you.
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Post by spaneli on Jul 18, 2014 19:12:23 GMT -5
The man had no credentials and cane from Chicago back room politics , he was a junior senator ....IF HE WAS WHITE THE PARTY NEVER WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED A JUNIOR SENATOR FOR PRESIDENT JFK was a junior Senator. Only remained there for 7 years (I believe Kennedy served 6 as a State Senator), more time than Obama (I believe Obama served 3 years in the US Senate and 7 years as a State Senator), yet barely voted and only served on a few committees. Had almost no credentials other than he came from a wealthy family who bought him positions, yet I'm pretty sure the party made him their nominee.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 19:12:42 GMT -5
No but I know my facts ... You read books ......difference Well, thank you for summing up my life. I mean, you know, I've only lived in my books my entire life. Tell me Kalas, what does the sunshine look like? What really happened during 9/11? Because I was in a book when it happened. People aren't accurate. There were 710 people saved from the Titanic, yet not one of them told the exact same story. Not one of them had the exact same facts of the moment. But I'm sure if you were there then everything would have been quite alright. Books aren't infallible and nor are you. What happened during 9/11 ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 19:14:39 GMT -5
I was minding my own buisness on the Staten Island ferry smoking a doob with friends .... Then proceeded to watch 2 PLANES SLAM I TO THE TRADE CENTER LOST OVER 20 REAL FRIENDS THATS WHAT HAPPENED ....AND I DIDNT NEED A TEXT BOOK TO KNOW THIS
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 19:15:42 GMT -5
spaneli I'm only breaking your balls ....not about 9/11 ,,just the whole rant
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jul 19, 2014 10:14:00 GMT -5
Ronald Reagan is so revered because he was an actual leader. He championed "Peace through Strength", unlike this administrations' "Leading from Behind" and the official (yes, OFFICIAL: dailycaller.com/2014/06/01/white-house-aides-reveal-obama-doctrine-dont-do-stupid-shit/) Obama doctrine of "Don't do stupid shit." Whoops... How America has fallen. Instead of Richard Nixon, Henry Kissinger, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Ronald Reagan, Nancy Reagan, Colin Powell, Conda-Liza Rice, we now have Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Hilary Clinton, Michelle Obama, & Barrack Obama. God have mercy on this fallen nation. I'm going to stop here. For now. Sarah Palin was Republican and could see Russia from her house. Both parties are bad, it's called politics
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 19, 2014 11:15:26 GMT -5
Next, travel to inner city neighborhood and find how many people love Reagan there. You know, the places that fell behind under his policies and still haven't recovered, like cutting public housing. Most minorities to do not love Reagan. While there was a widening of the economic gap during Carter because of a poor economy, there was a far larger widening because of economic policies that inhibited the poor and minorities. But you know, Reagan was so beloved. The same sector has gotten worse with every passing year of Obama's presidency. And it's quite bad. Very bad, actually. Just sayin'.
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Post by Guy Fawkes on Jul 21, 2014 3:43:24 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 21, 2014 7:30:49 GMT -5
Not to be a dick, but that was written 3 days ago. 3 days is a long time when considering an event like this. It has real implications. Now, if Putin de-escelates things himself, then this becomes a non-issue. But if Putin keeps going on with this type of behavior, the world will need to start acting. It's too extreme to say WWIII will kick off because of this, but the similarities are striking with both the start of WWI and WWII. As are the strategies of the Cold War looking increasingly likely of needing to return. This is a big deal. If everyone plays their cards right, the implications of this can be lessened. For the victims and their families, I hope that's what happens. ****This not only goes back to Crimea, it also connects to Libya and Syria, too. Check this article out. This is exactly why I find studying globalization and international relations so fascinating. Everything is interrelated. Nothing occurs in a vacuum..... fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/07/19/robert-fulford-as-the-world-burns-america-shrugs/
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Post by Guy Fawkes on Jul 21, 2014 11:31:02 GMT -5
Not to be a dick, but that was written 3 days ago. 3 days is a long time when considering an event like this. It has real implications. Now, if Putin de-escelates things himself, then this becomes a non-issue. But if Putin keeps going on with this type of behavior, the world will need to start acting. It's too extreme to say WWIII will kick off because of this, but the similarities are striking with both the start of WWI and WWII. As are the strategies of the Cold War looking increasingly likely of needing to return. This is a big deal. If everyone plays their cards right, the implications of this can be lessened. For the victims and their families, I hope that's what happens. ****This not only goes back to Crimea, it also connects to Libya and Syria, too. Check this article out. This is exactly why I find studying globalization and international relations so fascinating. Everything is interrelated. Nothing occurs in a vacuum..... fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/07/19/robert-fulford-as-the-world-burns-america-shrugs/can we at least agree that everything's Obama's fault? God bless.
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Post by Elie De Beaufour 🐴 on Jul 21, 2014 12:26:33 GMT -5
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 21, 2014 12:54:40 GMT -5
Not to be a dick, but that was written 3 days ago. 3 days is a long time when considering an event like this. It has real implications. Now, if Putin de-escelates things himself, then this becomes a non-issue. But if Putin keeps going on with this type of behavior, the world will need to start acting. It's too extreme to say WWIII will kick off because of this, but the similarities are striking with both the start of WWI and WWII. As are the strategies of the Cold War looking increasingly likely of needing to return. This is a big deal. If everyone plays their cards right, the implications of this can be lessened. For the victims and their families, I hope that's what happens. ****This not only goes back to Crimea, it also connects to Libya and Syria, too. Check this article out. This is exactly why I find studying globalization and international relations so fascinating. Everything is interrelated. Nothing occurs in a vacuum..... fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/07/19/robert-fulford-as-the-world-burns-america-shrugs/can we at least agree that everything's Obama's fault? God bless. No. It's George W. Bush's fault that everything is Obama's fault.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Jul 21, 2014 13:18:26 GMT -5
Not even close to being the same thing. A military exercise gone wrong is indeed a tragic accident. However, a plane being shot down intentionally (the only accident being it was the wrong plane) by pro-Russian separatists who are waging a proxy war funded by Putin's Kremlin, due to the annexation of Crimea months prior, all able to occur by the belligerents taking advantage of the currently weak Western powers, and an incredibly inactive United States, is by no means an accident that holds little significance. Rather, it holds a lot of significance. If Putin doesn't back down, and it looks like he won't, then the international community needs to get involved (as they should have done with Crimea in the first place). Right now we're entering a Cold War mentality. But if Putin continues this behavior, either directly or indirectly, and the west continues to appease and acquiesce to him, then we're marching very dangerously towards the circumstances that led to WWII where Hitler's annexation of the Sudetenland eventually escalated to an international problem, as Hitler continued his aggression and invaded Poland, and thus WWII. Obama is very much like Neville Chamberlain in this regard, he thinks negotiations and rhetoric will indeed sufficiently appease any adversary, and allow "Peace in our time." Chamberlain was wrong, and so is Obama. More needs to be done now, before things can get worse - which may very well, but significantly does not have to, include WWIII as a consequence. And, further, there are elements of WWI at play, too, with how quickly a regional event spilled over. WWIII may seem far fetched, and to some degree, it is. But add Israel, Hamas, Iran, et al to the list, AS WELL AS the crisis in Iraq, and the very unstable situations in both Libya and Syria, and you have all the key players and alliances in place. There's a loose thread that ignites all of them, let's hope that no one lights the consequential match. And even if this all plays out on Cold War minded terms, which is the most likely out come, it's a depressing outlook. For one, the Cold War remained chilled because of strong, or equally balanced at the very least, leaders who had mutual respect and fear for their adversarial counterparts. Putin doesn't see Obama as strong, he sees Obama as weak. And that's exactly a huge factor in why the world is in utter chaos right now, and why US - Russian relations aren't in our favor, nor do they hang in the balance, but rather tilt towards the former Soviet state. Unless Obama finally shows some strength and leadership, all of this bodes very badly. So no, this is nothing like an unfortunate military exercise gone wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 14:10:00 GMT -5
Not even close to being the same thing. A military exercise gone wrong is indeed a tragic accident. However, a plane being shot down intentionally (the only accident being it was the wrong plane) by pro-Russian separatists who are waging a proxy war funded by Putin's Kremlin, due to the annexation of Crimea months prior, all able to occur by the belligerents taking advantage of the currently weak Western powers, and an incredibly inactive United States, is by no means an accident that holds little significance. Rather, it holds a lot of significance. If Putin doesn't back down, and it looks like he won't, then the international community needs to get involved (as they should have done with Crimea in the first place). Right now we're entering a Cold War mentality. But if Putin continues this behavior, either directly or indirectly, and the west continues to appease and acquiesce to him, then we're marching very dangerously towards the circumstances that led to WWII where Hitler's annexation of the Sudetenland eventually escalated to an international problem, as Hitler continued his aggression and invaded Poland, and thus WWII. Obama is very much like Neville Chamberlain in this regard, he thinks negotiations and rhetoric will indeed sufficiently appease any adversary, and allow "Peace in our time." Chamberlain was wrong, and so is Obama. More needs to be done now, before things can get worse - which may very well, but significantly does not have to, include WWIII as a consequence. And, further, there are elements of WWI at play, too, with how quickly a regional event spilled over. WWIII may seem far fetched, and to some degree, it is. But add Israel, Hamas, Iran, et al to the list, AS WELL AS the crisis in Iraq, and the very unstable situations in both Libya and Syria, and you have all the key players and alliances in place. There's a loose thread that ignites all of them, let's hope that no one lights the consequential match. And even if this all plays out on Cold War minded terms, which is the most likely out come, it's a depressing outlook. For one, the Cold War remained chilled because of strong, or equally balanced at the very least, leaders who had mutual respect and fear for their adversarial counterparts. Putin doesn't see Obama as strong, he sees Obama as weak. And that's exactly a huge factor in why the world is in utter chaos right now, and why US - Russian relations aren't in our favor, nor do they hang in the balance, but rather tilt towards the former Soviet state. Unless Obama finally shows some strength and leadership, all of this bodes very badly. So no, this is nothing like an unfortunate military exercise gone wrong. i thought you were a fan of mutually assured destruction and if you think this works then you not gonna have a war. When are you going to thank the Russians for their pivotal role in winning WW2?
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