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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 27, 2014 8:55:47 GMT -5
Always thought Roll It Over should be this:
I could give a hundred million reasons to build a better place
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 27, 2014 8:58:56 GMT -5
And the one I don't understand is the grammar mistake in TIOBI
....don't stop raining.
It should be WON'T. Noel knows that. And "won't" fits in exactly the same way.
The mind, it fucking boggles (as it jumps up and down like a toad. Christ Oh Lord, Noel).
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Post by teadrinker on May 27, 2014 9:25:44 GMT -5
Yes some are bad, but they got away with them anyway, some are not the best, or quite weird, but suit perfectly the feeling of the song they're in (like Champagne Supernova, She's Electric, Digsy's Dinner etc.), some are pretty good, but some of you are trying to change them just to seem clever tbh, then there are some great lyrics that luckily haven't made their way into this discussion yet So let's imagine in an alternate universe: Noel's lyrics for She's Electric are 'she's got a sister, and god only knows how I've missed her, and how I wish that I'd never have kissed her, and I need more time'. I make this thread and someone suggests changing that line to 'she's got a sister, and god only knows how I've missed her, and on the palm of her hand is a blister, and I need more time'. Are you saying that you'd approve of that change and consider it an improvement? OF COURSE YOU WOULDN'T, you'd say it's absolutely ridiculous. Stop being silly.
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Post by defmaybe00 on May 27, 2014 10:28:10 GMT -5
Yes some are bad, but they got away with them anyway, some are not the best, or quite weird, but suit perfectly the feeling of the song they're in (like Champagne Supernova, She's Electric, Digsy's Dinner etc.), some are pretty good, but some of you are trying to change them just to seem clever tbh, then there are some great lyrics that luckily haven't made their way into this discussion yet So let's imagine in an alternate universe: Noel's lyrics for She's Electric are 'she's got a sister, and god only knows how I've missed her, and how I wish that I'd never have kissed her, and I need more time'. I make this thread and someone suggests changing that line to 'she's got a sister, and god only knows how I've missed her, and on the palm of her hand is a blister, and I need more time'. Are you saying that you'd approve of that change and consider it an improvement? OF COURSE YOU WOULDN'T, you'd say it's absolutely ridiculous. Stop being silly. I'd say that "and how I wish that I'd never have kissed her" is probably better, but as I think She's Electric is kind of a funny song, and it isn't serious at all, I wouldn't give a fuck about how to improve it lyrically, cause really, if you write the lyrics to let's say Blowin' In The Wind, and then put them on a tune like She's Electric, it just doesn't sound right, at least to me
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Post by shoes222 on May 28, 2014 17:19:51 GMT -5
This may be my least favorite thread.
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 28, 2014 17:45:32 GMT -5
Terrible isn't it?
Although NL4E seems to have found a home.
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Post by footballdropout on May 28, 2014 19:42:29 GMT -5
I once heard that the "on the palm of her hand is a blister" line inferred that she had been giving him a lot of handjobs, hence why he misses her so much. Just my (or rather a random youtube commenter's) two cents.
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Post by songwriter on May 28, 2014 20:31:26 GMT -5
All of the lyrics that you are changing have meanings you may not understand. For a lady to have a blister on the palm of your hand is an old northern phrase for being pregnant. I can see a liar is about Elvis Presley and the sitting by the fire line has significance to his life story. Feel free to continue the fun however ☺
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Post by The Invisible Sun on May 28, 2014 23:03:42 GMT -5
I once heard that the "on the palm of her hand is a blister" line inferred that she had been giving him a lot of handjobs, hence why he misses her so much. Just my (or rather a random youtube commenter's) two cents. Yes! That's what I always thought too. Which is why it's so funny. You have this giddy little tune, that seems perfectly polite and happy, but in reality it's very inappropriate. That's why the line shouldn't be changed, because it ruins that context slightly, although there's plenty of other references. It's a song about sex with practically all the women in this particular family, the sisters, the cousins, even the mother. Slight hints to sexual acts. And even a reference to roleplay. And of course pregnancy, which he goes out of the way to say that it isn't his and a brother which probably hates him (probably because he's been sleeping with all his relatives).
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Post by teadrinker on May 29, 2014 7:50:29 GMT -5
For a lady to have a blister on the palm of your hand is an old northern phrase for being pregnant. Christ, no it isn't. 'One in the oven' is. Nevermind, I give up.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 8:45:23 GMT -5
Your a very interesting character teadrinker.
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Post by eva on May 29, 2014 8:53:24 GMT -5
This may be my least favorite thread. Same here. Probably just below the "Imagine if" ones
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Post by lippylipnitskaya on May 29, 2014 9:06:18 GMT -5
This may be my least favorite thread. Same here. Probably just below the "Imagine if" ones
I dunno,
*Do* go away
Say what you say
But get out of my way
Cause I don't need more time
No, I don't need more time
Just to make you wife.
Or,
What tongue-less soul of sin crept through my curtains,
Coming in on sea of sweat on this stormy night;
I don't think she knows but she's been a burden,
But in me she starts to confide.
(A bit of homage to Anna Karenina and to those like her in this world. ...I hate women, is what I'm trying to say)
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Post by spaneli on Jun 2, 2014 12:15:05 GMT -5
A lot of these are cringe worthy because people are trying to make them make sense, instead of marrying the lyrics to the music.
You can't replace an unstressed syllable in a spot where there should be a stressed. It's never going to sound right. Each word in a line of verse should build off each other, in meaning and in structure.
Why is the Wonderwall chorus so catching? Because it has a nice rhythmical pattern in syllables.
- / - - / - - - / - / - And maybe, you’re gonna be the one that saves me - / - / - - / - / And after all, you’re my Wonderwall
You can tell in the first line there's a nice - / - pattern with a relief in the middle.
And then the second line has - / -/ pattern with a relief in the middle.
Both create a very sing songy syllabic rhythm. Now think if you replaced one of those "-" with a "/". So:
- - / - / - - - / - / - And I know, you’re gonna be the one that saves me - / - / - - / - / And you're my all, you’re my Wonderwall
It doesn't sound right. It sounds off and cringy. That's not to mention you're tampering with the alliterative quality of Noel's lyrics and his use of assonance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2014 12:49:55 GMT -5
Same here. Probably just below the "Imagine if" ones
I dunno,
*Do* go away
Say what you say
But get out of my way
Cause I don't need more time
No, I don't need more time
Just to make you wife.
Or,
What tongue-less soul of sin crept through my curtains,
Coming in on sea of sweat on this stormy night;
I don't think she knows but she's been a burden,
But in me she starts to confide.
(A bit of homage to Anna Karenina and to those like her in this world. ...I hate women, is what I'm trying to say)
Is this a windup?
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Post by Nyron Nosworthy on Jun 2, 2014 16:37:42 GMT -5
The only ones that bother me are the ones that aren't in any way grammatically correct, like "Think he don't got a name" or "I'm not bothered but so are you" from Beady Eye.
The rest are what they are. She's Electric might be a bit cheesy but it's part of it's charm, and "Slowly walking down the hall" is arguably one of Oasis' best known lines.
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Post by TheEyeballTickler on Jun 4, 2014 15:22:41 GMT -5
I spent my time shitting on the face of a mate of mine, Trying to write the line of a story.
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Post by rpn101 on Jun 4, 2014 17:51:24 GMT -5
I know it's only a demo but from the very first listen I always thought this line in "makes me wanna cry" could be changed as follows:
"And I'll try my best to get but I can't afford the bus fare"
"And I'll try my best to get there through the carnival and fanfare"
I don't mind the bus fare lyric though I doubt it will make the final cut. Mind you, I thought the same about the "mouth" lyric in the Record Machine demo and couldn't believe Noel kept that in.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Jun 5, 2014 11:04:43 GMT -5
I don't really get the play on this thread, what we do is ruining genius work, but i will take my turn. Feel no shame Cause time's no chain Feel no shame, as i'm walking proud in the rain But you should also hear the extra vocal melody to this line that i've always heard in my head. Btw. Some of the improvements on here are extremely terrible haha. It's interesting how you can turn a brilliant song into a shithole by changing one little line
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Post by scott1 on Jun 5, 2014 11:10:21 GMT -5
Credit where credits due, none is due.
I can't help feeling that we'd class these "improvements" suggestions as being dreadful if Noel had written them originally.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Jun 5, 2014 11:23:11 GMT -5
A lot of these are cringe worthy because people are trying to make them make sense, instead of marrying the lyrics to the music. You can't replace an unstressed syllable in a spot where there should be a stressed. It's never going to sound right. Each word in a line of verse should build off each other, in meaning and in structure. Why is the Wonderwall chorus so catching? Because it has a nice rhythmical pattern in syllables. - / - - / - - - / - / - And maybe, you’re gonna be the one that saves me - / - / - - / - / And after all, you’re my Wonderwall You can tell in the first line there's a nice - / - pattern with a relief in the middle. And then the second line has - / -/ pattern with a relief in the middle. Both create a very sing songy syllabic rhythm. Now think if you replaced one of those "-" with a "/". So: - - / - / - - - / - / - And I know, you’re gonna be the one that saves me - / - / - - / - / And you're my all, you’re my Wonderwall It doesn't sound right. It sounds off and cringy. That's not to mention you're tampering with the alliterative quality of Noel's lyrics and his use of assonance. I always thought Wonderwall's vocal melody and lyrics could be subconsciously inspired by Rap music. Not choruses but the verses Backbeat the word was on the street that the fire in heart is out. It's almost rap rhythmical. Same thing with Arctic Monkeys, Alex Turner perfected that, it's his trademark now.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Jun 5, 2014 11:49:21 GMT -5
I can see a liar, lying from desire. ? I hope that when you get over to the UK, a friendly Vet puts you down I think Noel should have gone with 'I can see a liar, sitting on the pyre' (as in funeral pyre, bit of a Doors reference there as well) and it would have sounded better. Still a shit song though. His lyrics have always been a bit questionable, but their naivety is part of the charm. And the alternatives that have been suggested in this thread sound even worse. Although I do agree that the "need a phone" line in Take Me Away is beyond awful.
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Post by teadrinker on Jun 5, 2014 11:51:56 GMT -5
My suggestions were great.
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Post by scott1 on Jun 5, 2014 12:23:34 GMT -5
How many special people change? How many people are called Jane? Where were you while we were in Mumbai?
Some day you will find me caught beneath the landslide, in a champagne supernova in a dodgy bar somewhere near bloody Ipswich of all places.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Jun 5, 2014 12:33:34 GMT -5
It's just reminded me one funny anecdote that Noel once said.
Liam, first time when he heard Live Forever - " It should have been 'baby' "
Noel - " No, it shouldn't be 'baby'. I don't want to sing 'baby' in any of my songs "
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