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Post by oasisphere on May 22, 2014 7:21:17 GMT -5
I'm not bashing them, I'd just like to know because whenever I stumble upon a negative Oasis comment, it usually states that they are "Beatles rip-off merchants".
Any idea?
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Post by oasisserbia on May 22, 2014 7:32:49 GMT -5
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Post by bardes on May 22, 2014 7:37:40 GMT -5
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Post by TheEyeballTickler on May 22, 2014 7:57:21 GMT -5
Some references like "yellow submarine" in supersonic, "let it be" in be here now. "Helter skelter" in fade in-out. But that's not ripping off. Only I can think of is the end of she's electric which is ending of little help from my friends, and beginning of DLBiA which is imagine(but that's not Beatles).
Dunno where the rumours Are coming from. They wanted to be like the Beatles, yes. But they didn't ripp them off. They've ripped off a lot of other artists though
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Post by andymorris on May 22, 2014 8:22:51 GMT -5
easy : none.
but Noel did nick a bit from Mr Kite on Death of you and me.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on May 22, 2014 8:28:57 GMT -5
easy : none. but Noel did nick a bit from Mr Kite on Death of you and me. Yeah, trumpets in Death of You and Me is probably the biggest Beatles rip off really. Most of it is just them talkin' about the Beatles. Musically i'd say Beady Eye are actually bigger Beatles wannabes than Oasis.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 22, 2014 8:31:15 GMT -5
Some references like "yellow submarine" in supersonic, "let it be" in be here now. "Helter skelter" in fade in-out. But that's not ripping off. Only I can think of is the end of she's electric which is ending of little help from my friends, and beginning of DLBiA which is imagine(but that's not Beatles). Dunno where the rumours Are coming from. They wanted to be like the Beatles, yes. But they didn't ripp them off. They've ripped off a lot of other artists though I blame a lot of the endless Oasis/Beatles comparisons on extreme lazy American journalism in the mid 90s. You literally couldn't read a review without them mentioning it and that trend sadly continued until the band broke up in 2009. I know it made for an interesting story in 1995 but it did readers and the band no favors after that point. Besides, Oasis were more mid 60s Who and Stones.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 8:35:30 GMT -5
Don't think they ever nicked the way rappers. " sample " and the majority of oasis tunes to me have no correlation to Beatles , it's more a homage to the greats like the stones , Beatles , even kinks T. rex , all bands use others work , van Halen built a carear on a blonde singer and black hair guitar wizard ( ring a bell ) they nicked from zep so much . Listen to end of " ice cream man " it's whole lotta love " were they influenced ? Yes , but that' should be a compliment , I wore my hair like rock stars for years acted like one to , should I be accused of not being me ? I think I carved out my own persona and the people who know me would agree .....people need to get over who sounds like who and who nicked what , they all do it , always will ...even the sainted John freaking Lennon did
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Post by mimmihopps on May 22, 2014 8:44:31 GMT -5
Many bands/musicians "rip-off" their favourite musicians less or more anyway and I think it's not a bad thing as long as it's not a "copy & paste" work. You get a part you're influenced and make your own work of it.
Listen to Noel's very early demo's. In most songs you can cleary hear his The Smiths influence and it makes me smile everytime I listen to those songs.
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on May 22, 2014 8:51:13 GMT -5
Many bands/musicians "rip-off" their favourite musicians less or more anyway and I think it's not a bad thing as long as it's not a "copy & paste" work. You get a part you're influenced and make your own work of it. Listen to Noel's very early demo's. In most songs you can cleary hear his The Smiths influence and it makes me smile everytime I listen to those songs. Yes, those early demos are clearly Noel tryin' to be Johny Marr But you can hear his own melody style kind of evolving, it's a great thing to hear, those demos. It's simply watchin' the genius born
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 8:51:53 GMT -5
A lot of this backlash happened when Noel said we are bigger than Beatles and stones ....he meant in UK at britpop height , but the story broke in America , macca was quoted in ny papers " if your gonna nick may as well be from the best " then all those cancelled gigs and the press here just slagged them as BEATLE rip offs ....look it up .
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Post by andymorris on May 22, 2014 9:04:45 GMT -5
Come Together is a ripp off of chuck berry, and the beatles took a lot from early rock roll, Led Zep are probably the biggest stealers, and so on
Making new music is basically recycling old stuff to make something new, to make something your own. Nothing original here.
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 22, 2014 9:11:28 GMT -5
Coldplay even "borrow" for their big hits.
- Talk samples Kraftwerk.
- Viva La Vida copied a joe satriani song.
- Every Teardrop Is A Waterfall borrows from Joe Allen's "I Go To Rio".
- Up With The Birds borrows from Brian May and Leonard Cohen.
- Princess of China samples Sigur Ros's Takk...
- What If echoes the ending to A Day In The Life
- Speed of Sound copied Clocks (haha)
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on May 22, 2014 9:11:53 GMT -5
Come Together is a ripp off of chuck berry, and the beatles took a lot from early rock roll, Led Zep are probably the biggest stealers, and so on Making new music is basically recycling old stuff to make something new, to make something your own. Nothing original here. And Beatles started from playin' covers for years so their music is all about recycling old stuff to make something new. So maybe the biggest lesson that Oasis learnt from Beatles is that rippin off is the way and it's totally OK ?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 9:25:58 GMT -5
Above are all great examples and as much asi love zep I always said they " borrowed " but they made it different and better , so who cares It's not like they just covered the tunes ala van Halen did early on with the kinks , they borrowed and made them innovative and fresh
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on May 22, 2014 11:53:18 GMT -5
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Post by LlAM on May 22, 2014 12:16:52 GMT -5
Little James is basically Norwegian Wood.
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Post by freddy838 on May 22, 2014 12:27:57 GMT -5
Roll It Over's solo sounds a lot like Come Together's solo to my ears. I have to say that the Beatles rip-off accusation has always been lazy.
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Post by allingoodtime on May 22, 2014 13:28:04 GMT -5
People use this rip off thing because they have nothing better to say, if you ask them to explain how they ripped them off they'd be clueless
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on May 22, 2014 13:34:53 GMT -5
Little James is basically Norwegian Wood. I was always wondering which song was brought first to the rehearsals Little James or Who Feels Love. Those choruses "Thank you for your smile" and "Thank you for the sun" sound pretty similar. Same thing with Turn Up the Sun and Lyla, pretty much the same groove. With Little James and Who Feels Love i quess it was simply Liam rippin' off his older brother but Turn Up The Sun i doubt Andy was bold enough to take Noel's new baby and make his own tune, based on the same rythm, out of it. Noel threw away Milionaire for the fact it has one line "you just need to know yourself".
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Post by shoes222 on May 23, 2014 0:08:11 GMT -5
I'm not bashing them, I'd just like to know because whenever I stumble upon a negative Oasis comment, it usually states that they are "Beatles rip-off merchants". Any idea? Whenever I hear someone say "Oasis is just a Beatles rip-off", that's how I know who I'm talking to has such a limited understanding of music. Personally, I think the "Beatles rip-off" claims are WAY off base, especially with a lot of the early stuff. People would sound a lot more intelligent if they said Oasis ripped-off of the Stone Roses, and to a lesser extent bands like the Sex Pistols and T-Rex. There would actually be a real argument there.
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Post by AdidasNG72 on May 23, 2014 3:37:01 GMT -5
There are Beatles references and nods all over the Oasis albums. The ones that stick in my mind are -
She's Electric (no specific references, but sounds very Beatles)
Don't Look Back in Anger (chorus lyrics ripped off from Lennon, and `Imagine' piano intro)
All Around the World (Noel has said on record many times it was his version of `Hey Jude')
The album Be Here Now has many lyric references (Long and Winding Road, Let it Be, Fool on the Hill), plus it uses the same Mellotron that the Beatles used on Girl with the Dirty Shirt, and would be used again on Go Let it Out, plus the reprise of All Around the World is a Beatles nod. The Be Here Now album cover even uses the same car registration plate that was seen on the Abbey Road cover.
Who Feels Love sounds very hippy, White album Beatles.
Let there be Love sounds very Beatles, including the vocal change half way through.
I could go on and on with this, but I personally don't think it was such a bad thing that Oasis had Beatles as inspiration, references, even nods and rip-offs. They borrowed from the best and made it their own, fused with other band references/inspiration/nods (Led Zepplin, The Jam, etc.)
They were influenced by The Beatles but turned it into something harder, rockier and louder (Lennon would have approved, I'm guessing....)
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Post by heathenchemist01 on Aug 21, 2017 9:10:47 GMT -5
This reminds me of stupid children at my school who don't know anything about Oasis but still believe Wonderwall was a rip-off of Green Day's Boulevard of Broken Dreams. Should've checked out the release dates beforehand.
My guess: About 30 rip-offs but even more references.
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Post by My Big Name on Aug 21, 2017 11:45:23 GMT -5
This reminds me of stupid children at my school who don't know anything about Oasis but still believe Wonderwall was a rip-off of Green Day's Boulevard of Broken Dreams. Should've checked out the release dates beforehand. My guess: About 30 rip-offs but even more references. If anything Boulevard of Broken Dreams is a rip off of DYKWIM.
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Post by thomuk2006 on Aug 21, 2017 12:34:58 GMT -5
Outta Time!!! From Lennon
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